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[airmanjerm]

We're taking this on tour next week to the Las Vegas area (that is, if the government doesn't shut down, ha!). We'll definitely run it at least once or twice between now and then...now that we can actually play it better than that first read-through, I'll see if I can get a good/better recording for you. Our main rehearsal hall is set up to record, although it's not really set up to record in super-amazing quality. It'll sound fine, but about like that first run-through recording I posted.

[fommes]

That'd be terrific! I thought regarding sound quality that first recording was already amazing, really. We're filmmusic fans - the only unreleased music we hear (apart from bootlegs) consist of synth mock-ups! Based on your contributions here, you're probably the most important member in the history of JWFan

[airmanjerm]

That'd be terrific! I thought regarding sound quality that first recording was already amazing, really. We're filmmusic fans - the only unreleased music we hear (apart from bootlegs) consist of synth mock-ups! Based on your contributions here, you're probably the most important member in the history of JWFan

No way man! I'd put that as the people who manage this crap! haha just kidding there. I wouldn't have done that though if one of the people on here hadn't sent me some source items a while back. There it is: the circle of life.

<cue Hans Zimmer score>

[Jason LeBlanc]

[gkgyver]

I'm at work so can't really listen to everything right now, but the brief bits I heard sounded great! have you done any Williams stuff in this manner?

Well, do you have anything particular in mind?

If I could get my hands on some score sheets, then I would probably do it. Otherwise ... it's just nerve-wracking.

[Stefancos]

So, legally speaking. What is the difference to posting a synth/sample mock-up in this thread and a bootleg recording of a concert?

Based on your contributions here, you're probably the most important member in the history of JWFan

With all due respect to Airman, I would give that position to Ricard L. Befan, before even considering anyone else.

[fommes]

Then where is his live orchestra recording of "Rescuing Sirius" or "Fortune and Glory"?

[Stefancos]

I have lived happily without those cues for almost 34 years. However I could not have imagined the last decade without this place.

Ricard L. Befan is the best thing that has ever happened to John Williams fandom, and i will have words with whoever says otherwise!

[fommes]

I see I shall need to kneel before your rhetorical superiority, toady. I mean, today.

[airmanjerm]

So, legally speaking. What is the difference to posting a synth/sample mock-up in this thread and a bootleg recording of a concert?

Based on your contributions here, you're probably the most important member in the history of JWFan

With all due respect to Airman, I would give that position to Ricard L. Befan, before even considering anyone else.

First, I'm completely with you about Ricard Befan, and wouldn't even consider myself the most important person in this thread, let alone the board! But I certainly appreciate the thought fommes!

Also Stefan, I don't want to get into it too hip deep and run this thread way off course, but I'll mention the "legally speaking" question. My answer pertains only to myself, and I can't speak for anything/anybody else. But, I've been expecting this to pop up here one day.

We are a government-sponsored organization, being a part of the Department of Defense. Everything we do is not-for-profit, including all concerts and CDs we produce. (iTunes sells our recordings, but they claim the money is for the "download service," not the music. But, I digress.)

I'll have to look up the exact numbers, but there's a few stipulations in U.S. Copyright Law that allows "fair use" of copyrighted materials by the government as long as it doesn't interfere with the royalties and other income generated for the copyright holder (in this case, John Williams and BMI). In essence, because the Government is the entity that issued that copyright and maintains it, then we as a government entity aren't violating laws of fair use. They would have to prove that our free concert caused John Williams to lose money, and I doubt that's possible.

Further, since we are a non-profit organization that exists to help support community relations between the government and the public, we're not making any actual money off of those performances. Sure, I'm getting my standard paycheck, but I didn't earn anything extra by writing that one.

Finally - and people find this out the hard way sometimes - it's extremely expensive to sue the government. Not that it can't be done, but if you're willing to spend the money on that type of endeavour then you better have a really good reason and be willing to pay big bucks to do it. You better also be suing for a LOT of money, because you'll need it to justify the amount you'll spend up front for a team of attorneys.

I'll also say that we do give composers and publishers their due: we purchase nearly everything we perform (the exception is special arrangements that meet a specific mission need, which is my job), we don't photocopy music and provide it to the public (local high school/college bands, etc.), and we must pay for mechanical licensing rights to record works. John Williams' music is extremely easy to license for recordings, but the rights to arrange/transcribe his music and record it lies solely with Paul Lavender himself, who isn't the nicest guy in the world about it. He'll deny you the right to arrange in order to steer you over to the large collection of his own adaptations, which naturally puts money into his own pocket. (He told me this himself.) If he was nicer then you'd all be lining up to get copies of our upcoming CD because it would have had a suite of 5 selections from the Indiana Jones series, dedicated to the guys at JWfan.com. (really!) But, they wouldn't allow us to do that, so instead we recorded the published version of "Escapades from 'Catch Me if You Can.'" (Chosen partially because it wasn't a Paul Lavender chart, lol.) But yes, in this way we are bound to copyright law. I could arrange those tunes and have them performed, we just couldn't record them. (TMI anyone???)

OK that's WAY more than you probably wanted to know, but just wanted to be sure to point out that our performances are copyright-free and public domain.

[Jason LeBlanc]

interesting read Jeremy, and I applaud you for making this recordings and presenting them for us!

[airmanjerm]

Thanks Jason....it's probably too much info, so my apologies for derailing the thread! lol

Do you guys want to hear our recording of the "Escapades?" If so then I can try to find it and post it here. The CD should be out in a couple months I think.


EDIT:

I know better than to ask questions like that.

http://www.multiupload.com/9GH94FRBCN

[fommes]

Do you guys want to hear our recording of the "Escapades?" If so then I can try to find it and post it here. The CD should be out in a couple months I think.

Great listen and performance - congratulations
What's going to be the title of the CD?

EDIT:

I know better than to ask questions like that.

You learn quickly
Thanks for sharing!

[airmanjerm]

Thanks! The CD will be all music of current and former Air Force Band arrangers/composers. Other than JW, it will include an original suite for band by me (they asked for it! lol), Overture to "School for Scandal" by Barber (who, yes, was in the Air Force), a transcription of Walton's "Portsmouth Point Overture" by a former AF Band Arranger, and Mussorgsky's "Pictures at an Exhibition" by Mark Hindsley, also a former Air Force Band Arranger. So, three Air Force Band composers and two arrangers.

The CD will be titled "Out of the Blue."

[fommes]

Thanks, looks good Keep us posted!

[Trent Bennett]

Jack,

Hey are you almost done with your edit for "Get 'Em, R2"? The unreleased section that is.

[MissPadmé]

Jack,

Hey are you almost done with your edit for "Get 'Em, R2"? The unreleased section that is.

You seem a little impatient?


I am SURE he will post it, when HE is satisfied with the end result, as soon as possible.

[Jason LeBlanc]

I agree with Miss Padme.

[Jack]

I'm taking some time to learn properly about sculpting reverbs. I'm not getting the acoustics that I'm after right now. Too sloppy and washy.

[MrJosh]

Amazing thread and amazing work! I love hearing the mock ups! I need to be less busy in life so I can dig into some scores and make some up myself.

[skyy38]

Hey, what happened to my post here...?

[Jason LeBlanc]

http://www.jwfan.com...ndpost&p=712775

Also, read your PMs

[gkgyver]

[ggctuk]

Dunno how I possibly managed to overlook this thread.

I sure would love to hear AOTC's finale done in an orchestral format, but for now the mockup will do And I think Jack's mockup of Get 'em, R-2! is very, very good. I can't wait to see it finished!

I'd love to take a whack at the missing bit of Elevator Scene myself but I don't have any sheet music for that part

[Alexander]

Jack,

How goes your mock up of the "Get 'Em, R2" parts?

It's nearly there. Just 5 or so bars left now

Here's today's updated version:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/82a66c

Wow, that sounds really great!

[Lundquist]

I would like to do some mockups of unreleased pieces as well, I don't have a lot of sheets though:/ So if there are any requests, and somebody would be willing to provide me with the sheets, I'd be happy to do some mockups.

Here's an example of how my mockups sound - it can't compete in soundquality with Jack's though (which is among the best I've ever heard).

a BTTF medley - could still use some ajustments and tweaks.
http://www.box.net/shared/f3cvel0rd3

[Datameister]

Sounds wonderful! What software and sample libraries are you using?

[Alexander]

I would like to do some mockups of unreleased pieces as well, I don't have a lot of sheets though:/ So if there are any requests, and somebody would be willing to provide me with the sheets, I'd be happy to do some mockups.

Here's an example of how my mockups sound - it can't compete in soundquality with Jack's though (which is among the best I've ever heard).

a BTTF medley - could still use some ajustments and tweaks.
http://www.box.net/shared/f3cvel0rd3

Amazing!

[Lundquist]

thanks:) I'm not sure I'd call it amazing, but I think I got a pretty good sound out of it.

most of the libraries I use are getting a little old actually;
Brass: Project SAM layered with Sonic Implants (called Sonivox now)
Woodwinds: VSL with Hollywoodwinds for runs
Strings: Cinematic Strings
Percussion: Sonic Implants

And then just added som Quantum Leap spaces for reverb. Not much EQ or anything else.

[Datameister]

To Jack or anyone else who happens to find the information useful - a good way to get a decent approximation of the field drums in "Get 'Em R-2!" (and other cues from ROTS) is to combine True Strike's snare ensemble (with the snares on) and military drum patches, with a particular emphasis on the stage miking for the snare ensemble and the far miking for the military drum. Gives an appropriately crisp yet deeply resonant sound.

[gkgyver]

Here is a version of Prisoner Of Azkaban's cue "Remembering Mother". It's, as I understand, the first version of the cue, the revised version being in the film.



Sorry for the flat harpsichord sound.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Sounds great!

I much prefer A Window To The Past over his original theme, glad he re-wrote it

[gkgyver]

How about a recording of 7m5 The Rescue Of Sirius?

[Jason LeBlanc]

That would be terrific!

[gkgyver]

Transcribing that should be ... intense.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Well, there are plenty of other cues to pick from that didn't make it into the film at all, many of which that are shorter and less complex

[gkgyver]

No pain, no result

[Faleel]

Is "Typewriter Chord" able to be mockuped? I would like to hear that

[Jason LeBlanc]

You're not missing anything, it's literally just... a chord.

If anyone wants to, knock yourselves out:

[Faleel]

You're not missing anything, it's literally just... a chord.

If anyone wants to, knock yourselves out:

could you get that to me in bmp, PDF or tif?