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[Jason LeBlanc]

Hello gang!

So for a while now we've had a thread for Indiana Jones music where many members made mockups based off the sheet music for music written that wasn't on the Concord box set - or even in the films themselves. We ever had one member, airmanjerm, make two recordings himself of music from the movie. It was a great thread, but it kind of died down when the hype surrounding the box set did, as well as when simply most of the unreleased music had come out.

Since that time, sheet music for many, many other scores has trickled its way down, and I get sent more and more mockups all the time. So I wanted to create a thread where members could post their mockups here directly, where everyone can enjoy them as well as comment on them, share constructive criticism, etc.

I just have 3 basic rules:

1. Please upload your own work only! Don't upload other people's stuff unless you have their explicit permission.

2. Make sure your upload ONLY contains your mock-up/recording - don't upload a file that contains copyrighted material (ie, music from an OST or a DVD/video game rip) mixed with your mockup, or it will be deleted. The PM system can be used to share those versions.

3. Please use multiupload to upload your file. This not only creates a "direct download" link that doesn't require a 45 second (or more!) wait, but it dupes the upload to 6 other sites so the links will be around for a while.

http://www.multiupload.com/



Without further ado, let me be the first to contribute. Note I didn't make these myself, but do have permission to post them:







John Williams - Attack of the Clones
2m2 Palpatine's Plotting - section removed from the final film:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/s7daeh

7m3 Finale - original section replaced by 7m3 Insert
http://www.sendspace.com/file/w2kav7





EDIT: Here is a list of request mockups, grouped by priority:


Priority 1 - Likely never even recorded, or recorded but isn't in the film or on CD/boots/video games

1975 - Jaws
1m6s Typewriter Chord

1984 - Indiana Jones and the Temple Of Doom
1m7/2m1 Through Chinatown [bars 52-55]
2m3b Snowbank Sweetener
5m1 Entrance Of The Boy King
5m2b Exchange Of Glances
9m2 Willy In The Fryer [this one is partially used in film, but is mostly missing]

1989 - Indiana Jones and the The Last Crusade
7m2 Insert #2
11m4/12m1 The Canyon Of The Crescent Moon [first minute of the cue only, the rest is in the film and on CD]
10m1 Insert 2
10m1 Insert 3
10m1 Insert A

1991 - Hook
13m2 To War!! [original bar 37ish section only]
15m2 The End Of Hook [bars 27-40]

1993 - Jurassic Park
9m2 The T-Rex Chase [sections from beginning and end missing from film]
12m2 Hungry Raptor [sections from beginning and end missing from film]

1997 - The Lost World
6M2-7M1 Pt I Up in a Basket [section missing from film only]
6M2-7M1 Pt II Up in a Basket
10M1 Rialto Ripples [sections missing from film only]
11M3-12M1 High Bar and Ceiling Tiles [sections missing from film only]
12M3 Ludlow's Speech [ending only]
12M5 Monster on the Loose [section missing in film only]
14M2 The Saving Dart [ending only]

2001 - Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone
2m4 Insert Diagon Alley Reveal
Quidditch and the Great Gryffindor Victory

2002 - Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
1m1 Prologue: Book II [sections that weren't revised only]

2004 - Harry Potter and the Prisoner Of Azkaban
02 1M3A That's a Lie
03 1M4X Aunt Marge Points the Finger
10 1M9B Second Collision [ending only]
14 2M3 The Train to Hogwarts Version II
24 3MC Befriending the Hippogriff [last third of the cue]
30 3M7A Clown Out of the Cupboard [beginning only]
29 3M7X New Beginning
32 3M10 Remembering Mother
36 3ME The Great Hall Ceiling [ending only]
39 4M2 Quidditch 2004 [ending only]
40 4M2XV Choral Overlay
41 4M3+4 Enter Winter [first half]
42 4M3+4 New Woods Walk and Birds Flight [first half]
43 4M5 Map to Snow Scene
45 4M10 Brief Snow Scene [section at end]
48 4M14 Dueling the Dementor
49 4M14 Insert for Patronus Light
50 5M1 Buckbeak's Sentence [section at end]
51 5M2 Reading the Map [section near beginning]
52 5M2A Reveal Your Secret54 5M5 The Crystal Ball [section]
61 6M2 The Confrontation Scene [sections removed from film]
62 6M4 Sirius and Harry [last two thirds]
66 6M5AN First Frozen Lake
69 7M1A Saving Buckbeak [ending only]
72 7M2A String Overlay
73 7M3 Buckbeak Saves the Day [opening only]
78 7M7 Ext Whomping Willow
80 7M9 Lupin's Departure [opening only]
81 7M11 A New Broomstick

2005 - Revenge Of The Sith
1m4A "Get 'Em R-2!" [bars cut from film only]
4m6 I Am The Senate [ending only]
Revenge Of The Sith (DVD Version) [original opening only]

2005 - Memoirs Of A Geisha
Somebody other than me will have to figure out this one!





Priority 2 - Only available recording is in the film itself, probably covered by sound effects

1984 - Indiana Jones and the Temple Of Doom
2m2a Bar 34 Insert
2m2b Bar 76 Insert
2m4 The Indian Village
3m1 The Old Priest's Tale
3m2 The Child Returns
3m2a Alternate Beginning
5m1x The Emperor's Entrance
5m2a The First Supper
7m2 More Sacrifice
7m1a Sacrifice Sweetener
7m1d Percussion Sweetener - One
7m2d Percussion Sweetener - Two
7m3d Percussion Sweetener - Three
7m4/8m1 Insert
8m2 Moloram's Speech
8m3 The Evil Potion
9m1x Sacrifice Continued
11m1 Insert

1989 - Indiana Jones and the The Last Crusade
1m4-2m1x Sweetener
5m3 Intro
9m2 Final Ending
10m1 Insert 2
10m3-11m1 Insert 1
10m3-11m1 Insert 2

1991 - Hook
13m2 Insert Bar 37
13m3 Insert

1993 - Jurassic Park
1m1 Incident at Isla Nublar [final note only]
1m2 The Encased Mosquito
2m1 The Entrance of Mr. Hammond
3m3 Cartoon Demonstration
4m2 You Bred Raptors
5m1 The History Lesson
6m3 The Coming Storm
8m1 The Trouble with Dennis
9m2 The T-Rex Chase
11m1
12m2 Hungry Raptor

1997 - The Lost World
4M1 Fire at Camp
4M2 Corporate Choppers
5M2 Big Feet
5M3-6M1 Spilling Petrol
5M3-6M1 Pt II Horning In
6M2-7M1 Pt I Up in a Basket
7M2-8M1 Pain of Glass
8M2 Truck Stop [section dialed out of OST only]
8M3 Reading the Map
10M1 Rialto Ripples
11M3-12M1 High Bar and Ceiling Tiles
12M3 Ludlow's Speech
12M5 Monster on the Loose




Priority 3 - The recording has appeared on bootlegs

1989 - Indiana Jones and the The Last Crusade
2m3-3m1 Sinister Visitors
3m2a The Holy Grail
4m2 Beneath The Floors
6m2 Discussing The Book
6m2x New Ending
6m3
6m4 Market Source
8m2 Koeniggraetzer March
9m2 New Ending
10m1 Insert 1
10m1 Fix for Bar 65
12m2 The Penitent Man Will Pass

1991 - Hook
4M5-5M1 Revised Ending
9M4 Insert
13M1 Tink Grows Up
15m2 The End Of Hook

[airmanjerm]

OK well I've posted it before in the Indiana Jones thread, but I'll post it here again for posterity.

Here's a recording of our band playing the "Anything Goes Playoff" from Temple of Doom. This was a read-down and not a performance...the concert was just this past Friday night though, so I'll soon have a recording I can post of the entire "Anything Goes" followed by this playoff. This may actually be better though since the live recording contains some applause from the audience (which is how that music was intended, sort of).

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=6FYGI930

[Jason LeBlanc]

And don't forget your recording of "A Tribute To Vernon" too!

[airmanjerm]

God that was like a thousand years ago! I feel like that was done actually IN 1934! lol

Here ya go:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZF2X2AV3

While I'm at it, here's a performance we did of four different arrangements I did of JW vocal charts: Anything Goes, Big Beautiful Ball, Nice to Be Around, and If We Were In Love. Please note: our girl singer was horrible (and no longer in our group because of it), and although our guy singer is awesome in many ways...opera ain't it. But, they are nice performances by the band. There, I've said it...pre-excuses given! [And I'll have a better recording of our performance of "Anything Goes" from just this past Friday night soon and post it instead of this crappy one.]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TIAMH8T3

[Jack]

I'm working on a mockup of the missing bars from 1m4a Get 'em R2 at the moment. Here's what I've done so far:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/t7rgkr

I'm willing to accept requests to do mockups from missing audio that we have the sheet music for.

[Jason LeBlanc]

That sounds great Jack! I thought I was listening to a real orchestra!

As for requests, how about bars 27-40 from "The End Of Hook"?

[Jack]

Sure, I'll take a look at it after I've finished the R2 cue.

Here's the progress I made today:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/fv4hj9

It's such an exciting piece of battle/heroic music. The writing is so authentic and militaristic.

[Jason LeBlanc]

I agree, its an awesome little section. Sounding real good. I wonder what Joe thinks of the drums now

[Trent Bennett]

Jack,

That does sound great. Any chance you can do the rest of the mock-up for "Get 'Em, R2?" I'd love to have the whole thing with your mock-up style.

[Jack]

Thanks. It's a slow process, but I'm working my way through the whole unreleased section of the cue.

[Trent Bennett]

Thanks. It's a slow process, but I'm working my way through the whole unreleased section of the cue.

Cool, looking forward to it.

I wonder how the "war drums" will sound in synth form like this.

[SF1_freeze]

Wow, another different cool rendition of the force theme in the Palpatine's Plotting mockup. Where would it have appeared in the film?

[Trent Bennett]

Wow, another different cool rendition of the force theme in the Palpatine's Plotting mockup. Where would it have appeared in the film?

In the cue itself where it shows the outside part of Padmé's apartment, after Palpatine tells Anakin he's sees him becoming the greatest Jedi. It would have gone where they tracked music from "Obi-Wan Eavesdropping" and "Arrival At Tatooine".

[Jason LeBlanc]

In the film when the 3 Jedi are conversing in the huge hall, they looped the music that plays just before this mockup, then fade out instead of letting what's in the mockup play. Then there was tracked music from4m5 and 4m4 that plays in the film instead of this mockup. Around Jar jar's line about "muy humility" the original cue comes back; That part should overlap with the last note of the mockup.

[SF1_freeze]

All this damned tracking, i guess Ben Burtt really hates JW


It would be so cool to get seperate music audio tracks on the blue ray. Then we would be able to insert all the music JW intended (create a new music audio track)

[gkgyver]

I re-recorded quite a few unreleased cues from the Roger Moore Bond films, namely Octopussy and Moonraker.

I want to present them to you here:

Moonraker:

Gunbarrel/Hijack: here

Enter The Centrifuge: here

Venini Glass Works: here

Gondola Chase: here

Paragliding: here

Drax Shuttle Launch: here

"Here Is To Us": here


Octopussy:

Gunbarrel/A Load Of Bull: here

Acrostar: here

Russian Art Depository/The Auction: here

[Jason LeBlanc]

What did you use to make these recordings?

[Stefancos]

The Munich Symphony Orchestra

[gkgyver]

What did you use to make these recordings?

Sibelius 2, Gigastudio, VSL Woodwinds, East West Ultimate Strings, SAM Brass, SAM True Strike, some concert harp samples, and clean DVD rips when possible.

[Jason LeBlanc]

I'm at work so can't really listen to everything right now, but the brief bits I heard sounded great! have you done any Williams stuff in this manner?

[gkgyver]

Not really.
I'm a bit intimidated by it
Because, no offense to the late Mr. Barry, Williams' work is a *bit* more complex.

And I have not much clue about Williams' way of writing and orchestrating.

[Trent Bennett]

Jack,

How goes your mock up of the "Get 'Em, R2" parts?

[Prometheus]

Not really.
I'm a bit intimidated by it
Because, no offense to the late Mr. Barry, Williams' work is a *bit* more complex.

And I have not much clue about Williams' way of writing and orchestrating.

Hate to sound like a drug pusher, but you can always contact me if you want any scores.

But yes, Barry's music like Herrmann's is much simpler - more homophonic and vertical that Williams and Goldsmith, whereas they tend to be polyphonic, heterophonic and linear. Meaning, usually there's a lot going on at once. Lots of voices interacting.

To an extent, you can get away with transcribing Barry's scores by ear, and even then, you've already done a better job than Nic Raine. He couldn't even get this far.

But for Williams, you'll need the original manuscripts.

[Mark Olivarez]

Someone should have told John Ottman that.

[Wojo]

If he was handpicked, wouldn't the act of being touched by Williams have presented the opportunity?

[Mark Olivarez]

I believe he admitted he reconstructed Superman's theme from memory.

[Jack]

Jack,

How goes your mock up of the "Get 'Em, R2" parts?

It's nearly there. Just 5 or so bars left now

Here's today's updated version:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/82a66c

[Trent Bennett]

Ah very nice. When you're done with your mock-up for this, are you going to post it in wav format?

[Jack]

Ah very nice. When you're done with your mock-up for this, are you going to post it in wav format?

Yep!

[Trent Bennett]

Awesome.

[Datameister]

Sounds continually excellenter and excellenter, Jack! Very nicely done, particularly on the big tutti chords.

I'm still nitpicking about the field drums, though. The rest is so perfect that I had to find something to complain about! This is what you want:




What you've currently got sounds closer to...like...an antique snare drum with snares that are too loose.

[Jack]

What a pro! Thanks for the feedback, and the compliments. I figure if I'm going to do these mockups, I might as well get them as perfect / realistic as I can possibly, reasonably manage.

I'll experiment more with the field drums tomorrow. Should be able to get the whole unfinished section finished by tomorrow evening.

It's been really great to be able to look into WIlliams' scores in really fine detail. There's always some beautiful details in there that you don't necessarily always 'get' unless you've seen it written down. The thing that amazes me about this cue is the rhythmic writing. Williams clearly isn't just a master of melody/harmony. The rhythmic counterpoint going on here is detailed and complex, and yet, completely 'natural' and very musical. In terms of musical sensibility, the whole thing really says something, that is accurate and fitting within the context it was written for. Not just timbrally, or in any obvious way, but also in terms of the musical flow and writing for all the parts. He's created a bombastic, militaristic and challenging march for the percussion; forceful, bold and rhythmically exciting figures for the brass; rapid movement and repetition in the strings; and his trademark modally mind-boggling runs in the winds. When you put them all together, it creates this piece of music that just makes sense. It speaks so clearly. It has a kinetic energy that is so perfect for the scene, and that translates to the concert hall very well. He 'gets' the energy of what he's writing for unlike any other composer out there, really. The crazy thing is that Williams probably writes this stuff with his eyes closed, whereas I don't think Zimmer has ever produced anything so musical and thoughtful.

Actually, this cue reminds me a bit of the percussive brashness of The Battle of Hoth, but with a more 'fun', less perilous, 'pushing forward' / 'Jedis FTW' sort of feel.

[Datameister]

Very nice analysis of Williams' work. I get the same feeling every time I study one of his scores, particularly for action music like this. (Not that it's always my favorite part of his work, but it's certainly the most technically impressive.) It's...indescribable the way he combines these disparate elements into a whole that fits the energy of the film like a glove while still being profoundly interesting in and of itself, even in comparatively "auto-pilot"-y passages like this one. I don't know how his brain can process - can generate - so many different contrapuntal elements like that.

EDIT: By the way, just for clarification, that video is not mine.

[airmanjerm]

OK guys well we had our concert on Friday, which included me getting to conduct "Anything Goes" (including the Playoff). I was (and still am) fighting off what can only be described as Martian Death Flu, but as they say, the show must go on. In the end, the band played fairly well without too many split brass notes or similar mistakes, which is nice. It's funny how different the balance is in this music when played live versus being able to bring each instrumentalist up or down in a recorded mix. If anyone is interested, I can upload just the recording as a download link.

[Datameister]

That is just fantastic! Congrats to all of you for a thoroughly enjoyable and professional performance, despite any regrettable cases of the dreaded Martian Death Flu.

[gkgyver]

[fommes]

airmanjerm - that is amazing! What an unbelievable performance - I thought the previous version was already very good; this one is even miles better. Great arrangement as well needless to say.
Of course you need to upload the recording! (In lossless if possible?)

There was only one minus: the bloody audience was clapping during the play-off!

[Jason LeBlanc]

Jeremy that was great!

Too bad the vocals were somewhat hard to make out in the recording. But the orchestra sounded great!

[airmanjerm]

THanks guys! Yes fommes I created a lossless file, but it's already an MP3 file so it's not as nice as a produced recording. But hey, here's the link:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0NQYQHDE


Yes the audience was applauding during the playoff, but honestly that's the point of a playoff. It's a very old-school Vaudeville type of "tune" that got people back on stage for a quick bow and even quicker exit. This one was written quite well...they have to have lots of energy and make it clear to the audience that they are supposed to clap there.

"Too bad the vocals were somewhat hard to make out in the recording. "

Bad? Ok just a little kidding there, but in my opinion the interest in this chart lies in the arrangement, not the vocal. And we're a band, not an orchestra - we don't have strings (except one string bass player whose amp wasn't turned on, apparently). All those string runs have to be incorporated into the rest of the group, so the clarinets, saxes, and bassoons get a lot of extra overtime in there!

[fommes]

Thanks very much for the upload!

but in my opinion the interest in this chart lies in the arrangement, not the vocal

Agreed!

Are you planning on another recording in the practice room of both or one of the pieces? Of course, your first take on the play-off was already so good, so there's really no need (even though the second was even better! ).