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[ggctuk]

Anybody got a decent mockup of the missing bars of the Elevator Scene? I had one but it was incorporated directly into an edit.

EDIT: Just edited together Good Guys Arrive and it flows very well! Good job, Datameister!

[Datameister]

Hmmm, maybe I'll give that a shot...

[ggctuk]

I actually wonder if anybody has ever given a whack at the missing pieces of the Duel of the fates orchestra-only sections that we're still missing. It'd be very complex and time consuming to do them though.

@ Datameister: I edited your Good Guys Arrive intro into my cue and it flows perfectly. Dunno why Lucas saw the need to replace it.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Phantom Menace sheet music is out there???

[ggctuk]

There is one for Duel of the Fates that I am in possession of, yes (although it includes all the percussion the album version omits, and the starting ostinato on clarinet instead of strings)

[Stefancos]

Whatever. If you don't like it then stay out of the thread.

If you have a problem with the way I run the board then please take it up with my privately, and stop derailing threads. Thank you.

Is this your way of saying that i am technically correct, but you'd rather not talk about it openly.

Also, please don't tell me what threads I can or cannot visit. Thank you.

[Datameister]

Are we talking about the published Signature Edition or...something else?

[ggctuk]

I am not sure whether this is the signature version (having never seen the published signature edition).

[Datameister]

After conferring, we have concluded that it is indeed the Signature Edition.

[airmanjerm]

Is it the original, or the wind band version? Having the clarinets start the ostinato sounds like a transcription for winds.

[Datameister]

It's the orchestral version, and it's got the strings playing in unison with the clarinets.

[ggctuk]

I think that may be down to the interpretation of the conductor - there are versions that have the strings only performing the ostinato motif (one such is done during a Williams concert in 1999, which can be heard on GoodMusician's set), and versions with the clarinets only (like the unreleased version recorded for TPM).

[airmanjerm]

Ah, ok....having them together is one thing, but just two or three orchestral clarinets playing that while the strings were silent would be a little odd.

[Datameister]

TOD's "Exchange of Glances":

http://www.multiupload.com/PD4NDPHLBJ


Constructive criticism very welcome! Emphasis on the "constructive"...ahem...Jason...

[Jason LeBlanc]

Sorry, I didn't have time to respond to your email cause I spent the rest of the night trying to get Reaper and EWQLSO to be friends

[Datameister]

Just give them a timeout in separate rooms, they'll make up on their own afterward!

[Jason LeBlanc]

I think I'll be able to figure it out tonight

Exchange of Glances sounds good. I think the strings and horns could be... "punchier" maybe?

[Datameister]

Thanks! Perhaps you're right...I was debating how mellow a sound I wanted with those, since it's four horns, but they have no dynamic marking, and everything else is marked mf (slightly loud, for non-musically-educated folks). It wasn't sounding quite right with a brighter, harder sound, so I dialed it back a bit, but maybe that'll be worth revisiting at some point.

[Jason LeBlanc]

I'd guess it would be hard to figure out the exact sound for a cue like this that was completely unused.... I guess the only thing to compare it to would be "The First Supper"

It must be easier to do stuff like the missing bars from Through Chinatown, since you're just trying to make it blend in with the bars immediately before and after it

[Datameister]

For sure. I mean, when Williams isn't writing anything too unusual - and when the conductor's score is really thorough and detailed - it's usually not too difficult to ascertain what he was going for, but ambiguities can happen, especially when you're dealing with an exotic-sounding cue and missing dynamic markings.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Makes sense!

So Joe, since you've done 1m7/2m1 Through Chinatown [bars 52-55] and 5m2b Exchange Of Glances, can we assume you're also working on 2m3b Snowbank Sweetener, 5m1 Entrance Of The Boy King, and 9m2 Willy In The Fryer?

[Datameister]

Well, I'm working on "Entrance of the Boy King" right now. I already put together a sort of mockup of "Snowbank Sweetener", but I used bits of other recordings instead of actual sample libraries. As for "Willy in the Fryer", I'd really like to do that one, but I'm probably going to need another sample library or two before I really have the tools I need to make it sound decent, so it may take a little longer before that one comes to fruition.

One thing I'm not sure about is the unused ending to "The Indian Village." I did a mockup of it in Finale about a month ago, and it actually sounds pretty decent, but I might redo it. That one's tricky because I'm using parts of the DVD rip to fill out the sound and make it feel more realistic. Oh, and the original beginning to "The Child Returns" could probably be improved, though my Finale version isn't too horrendous. I was able to isolate and reuse the anvil sound heard in the DVD rip of the alternate beginning, and I'll definitely do that again if I redo that passage.

It's also going to be interesting to take a long, hard look at all the sacrifice music, including the sweetener cue. I want to figure out what's what and do some mockups of any missing material.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Ah yes, I completely forgot about the ending of The Indian Village and the beginning of The Child Returns when I made this list. If you see anything else missing from the list, please feel free to let me know. I guess I missed some ROTS stuff - a bit from The Elevator Scene, maybe some others?


As for the all the sacrifice music, definitely read DarkLord89's amazing post here.

[Datameister]

Wow, that's a very comprehensive post...I'll probably still go through and check everything myself, just to be sure, but that'll be very good for reference. Thanks!

[Jason LeBlanc]

There's likely other useful information around those pages of that thread as well, not to mention other people's mockups

[Datameister]

For sure, I'll have to take a look around when I start working on that.

In the mean time, here's "Entrance of the Boy King"!

http://www.multiupload.com/5VIHXX9FUI

[Jason LeBlanc]

Sounds good! I think maybe the first 10 seconds or so could sound more... ethnic? Though I suppose it was intended to be played by instruments that wouldn't be a part of EWQL. The rest sounds really terrific, though!

[Datameister]

Thanks! I think those first 10 seconds actually sound pretty close, though, in terms of the instruments that are playing. There weren't really any sounds that I had to substitute with anything else. Well, okay, that's a lie...I had to use congas instead of tabla, and crotales instead of finger cymbals, but those are very similar in timbre, especially the second pair - and especially when they're buried in the mix like this. Really, there isn't much in the way of "ethnic" instruments here, aside from the percussion, which is honestly the easiest to convincingly replicate. In this case, that non-Western sound was supposed to come more from the way it's actually written, not the types of instruments being used.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Gotcha!

Did you use True Strike for the percussion?

[Datameister]

It's a mixture of True Strike and EWQL for the percussion. I also used some Symphobia patches for the strings and some of the brass.

[Jason LeBlanc]

[Datameister]

Hahahaha...I think my only moment of true ingenuity was when I figured out a way to sorta fake a stopped horn sound, since I don't yet have a patch that can do that. Wouldn't sound that convincing on its own, but it's close enough for the beginning of this mockup, I think.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Can I just tell you how awesome EWQL's Bass Clarinet sounds??? I love it!

[Datameister]

Haha, I don't think it's that phenomenal...the staccato and portato patches are pretty decent, but the others sound a little pinched to me. [shrug]

[Jason LeBlanc]

Yes the staccato was the one I was using... it just sounds so fun to me! Reminds me of that unused Rabbit cue from TTT

[Prometheus]

For sure, I'll have to take a look around when I start working on that.

In the mean time, here's "Entrance of the Boy King"!

http://www.multiupload.com/5VIHXX9FUI

Could you upload it in non-lossless?

[Datameister]

That's a request you don't hear too often around these parts! If size is the concern, it's a pretty small file...less than 30 seconds long and compressed to FLAC....

[Prometheus]

That's a request you don't hear too often around these parts! If size is the concern, it's a pretty small file...less than 30 seconds long and compressed to FLAC....

I just can't be arsed to convert it. I don't have any players that can recognise lossless formats.

[fommes]

Just download VLC Media Player and all your worries are history.

[Jason LeBlanc]

That's a request you don't hear too often around these parts! If size is the concern, it's a pretty small file...less than 30 seconds long and compressed to FLAC....

I just can't be arsed to convert it. I don't have any players that can recognise lossless formats.

But that's the beauty of FLAC or other lossless formats - no conversion necessary! You just play them as they are. I personally use winamp along with the official flac plugin(downloading that also gives you the official flac frontend which I use to convert flacs to wav as wella as make flacs).

But that's just one player; Others like VLC player or Media Monkey, etc. are popular too

I know its annoying that iTunes doesn't play them, but hey - that's apple for ya!