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Pixar's 2012 film: Brave (previously known as The Bear and the Bow)
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 02:46 PM
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 04:06 PM
Well there are other ways of approaching the subject than Vaughan Williams on steroids like Powell did. But I am sure Doyle will address the Scottish aspect in some way in the score. I think the mythical side of the story might offer a great opporturnities as well.
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"We pop out and come into the world and music is there. We didn't invent it - it's all organised in the atmosphere by divinity or whatever. It's a miracle." - John Williams-
I think music is a stream of some kind. It could be blood. It could be water. It could be ether. Whatever it is it seems to be a living, organic force that’s in motion, that serves humanity and is part of humanity and part of what describes us as humans. We sing, play, dance, all the things that we do. And there is a vibrant and great literature we have been given. ... As musicians, we join the stream. We swim in the stream with all the other millions of music makers. It’s a life force, a strong one, surrounding us and we are part of it. -John Williams-
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 04:09 PM
I just hope this won't be a Goblet Of Fire kind-of-score...
BIG BRASS FANFARE!!!!! Silence... BIG BRASS FANFARE!!!! Silence... BIG BRASS FANFARE!!! Silence...
BIG BRASS FANFARE!!!!! Silence... BIG BRASS FANFARE!!!! Silence... BIG BRASS FANFARE!!! Silence...
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 04:27 PM
Indeed.I just hope this won't be a Goblet Of Fire kind-of-score...
BIG BRASS FANFARE!!!!! Silence... BIG BRASS FANFARE!!!! Silence... BIG BRASS FANFARE!!! Silence...
Ars superior est vita hominum.
"We pop out and come into the world and music is there. We didn't invent it - it's all organised in the atmosphere by divinity or whatever. It's a miracle." - John Williams-
I think music is a stream of some kind. It could be blood. It could be water. It could be ether. Whatever it is it seems to be a living, organic force that’s in motion, that serves humanity and is part of humanity and part of what describes us as humans. We sing, play, dance, all the things that we do. And there is a vibrant and great literature we have been given. ... As musicians, we join the stream. We swim in the stream with all the other millions of music makers. It’s a life force, a strong one, surrounding us and we are part of it. -John Williams-
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 06:02 PM
I'd love another score like that.
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 06:12 PM
Something of that size but not of that particular execution.I'd love another score like that.
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"We pop out and come into the world and music is there. We didn't invent it - it's all organised in the atmosphere by divinity or whatever. It's a miracle." - John Williams-
I think music is a stream of some kind. It could be blood. It could be water. It could be ether. Whatever it is it seems to be a living, organic force that’s in motion, that serves humanity and is part of humanity and part of what describes us as humans. We sing, play, dance, all the things that we do. And there is a vibrant and great literature we have been given. ... As musicians, we join the stream. We swim in the stream with all the other millions of music makers. It’s a life force, a strong one, surrounding us and we are part of it. -John Williams-
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 06:26 PM
Saw the trailer for this before The Avengers. For a Pixar movie, it looks remarkably uninteresting. Boring, even.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 06:16 PM
Saw the trailer for this before The Avengers. For a Pixar movie, it looks remarkably uninteresting. Boring, even.
Yeah, looks a bit boring to me as well. Hope Doyle swings for the fences on this one. Looking for the next great score for an animated feature...
Wall-E still resonates with me...we'll see what Henry Jackman comes up with for Wreck It Ralph.
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 11:55 AM
"Brave"? Music by Marillion, no doubt.
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 12:29 PM
In this clip you can hear a small excerpt from what is presumably Doyle's original score:
"It's still baffling to me. I sit down with a pencil and a piece of paper and do my best... The remarkable thing is that my music is heard by billions of people." --John Williams
"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
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Posted 15 May 2012 - 12:40 PM
cool! I like what I'm hearing.
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Posted 27 May 2012 - 08:42 AM
Sounds very good, the music strongly having a gaelic but orchestral flavour in that scene.In this clip you can hear a small excerpt from what is presumably Doyle's original score.
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"We pop out and come into the world and music is there. We didn't invent it - it's all organised in the atmosphere by divinity or whatever. It's a miracle." - John Williams-
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Posted 27 May 2012 - 08:18 PM
Saw the trailer for this before The Avengers. For a Pixar movie, it looks remarkably uninteresting. Boring, even.
Yeah, I had the exact same response. I was actually really disappointed to learn it was the trailer for Brave.
Sounds very good, the music strongly having a gaelic but orchestral flavour in that scene.
In this clip you can hear a small excerpt from what is presumably Doyle's original score.
Don't have sound available at my terminal right now. Is it in any way reminiscent of Doyle's writing for Into the West?
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Posted 27 May 2012 - 08:33 PM
It sounds like Williams' Far and Away the Fiddle solos.
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 06:07 AM
Alas I don't know since I have not heard Into the West. But it sounds very much like Doyle is channeling the traditional Scottish musical style through the orchestra with fiddle, probably a bodhran and bagpipe thrown into the mix.
Saw the trailer for this before The Avengers. For a Pixar movie, it looks remarkably uninteresting. Boring, even.
Yeah, I had the exact same response. I was actually really disappointed to learn it was the trailer for Brave.Sounds very good, the music strongly having a gaelic but orchestral flavour in that scene.
In this clip you can hear a small excerpt from what is presumably Doyle's original score.
Don't have sound available at my terminal right now. Is it in any way reminiscent of Doyle's writing for Into the West?
Ars superior est vita hominum.
"We pop out and come into the world and music is there. We didn't invent it - it's all organised in the atmosphere by divinity or whatever. It's a miracle." - John Williams-
I think music is a stream of some kind. It could be blood. It could be water. It could be ether. Whatever it is it seems to be a living, organic force that’s in motion, that serves humanity and is part of humanity and part of what describes us as humans. We sing, play, dance, all the things that we do. And there is a vibrant and great literature we have been given. ... As musicians, we join the stream. We swim in the stream with all the other millions of music makers. It’s a life force, a strong one, surrounding us and we are part of it. -John Williams-
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 06:55 AM
Sounds like Braveheart for Dummies
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 08:07 AM
Of course it is jollier! It is animation after all and they are stealing cakes for heaven's sake!
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"We pop out and come into the world and music is there. We didn't invent it - it's all organised in the atmosphere by divinity or whatever. It's a miracle." - John Williams-
I think music is a stream of some kind. It could be blood. It could be water. It could be ether. Whatever it is it seems to be a living, organic force that’s in motion, that serves humanity and is part of humanity and part of what describes us as humans. We sing, play, dance, all the things that we do. And there is a vibrant and great literature we have been given. ... As musicians, we join the stream. We swim in the stream with all the other millions of music makers. It’s a life force, a strong one, surrounding us and we are part of it. -John Williams-
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 08:10 AM
It was not good enough for them to steal half the title of this film: they also felt the need to steal half its music. I find that despicable.
Stealing cakes was no funny matter back in the days. If you were caught, you would lose a hand. And if you were the one who was being robbed, it meant certain death for you, since you wouldn't have enough food to last the whole winter.
Of course it is jollier! It is animation after all and they are stealing cakes for heaven's sake!
Stealing cakes was no funny matter back in the days. If you were caught, you would lose a hand. And if you were the one who was being robbed, it meant certain death for you, since you wouldn't have enough food to last the whole winter.
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 08:13 AM
Ah the Scottish highland justice. Can't beat that.
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"We pop out and come into the world and music is there. We didn't invent it - it's all organised in the atmosphere by divinity or whatever. It's a miracle." - John Williams-
I think music is a stream of some kind. It could be blood. It could be water. It could be ether. Whatever it is it seems to be a living, organic force that’s in motion, that serves humanity and is part of humanity and part of what describes us as humans. We sing, play, dance, all the things that we do. And there is a vibrant and great literature we have been given. ... As musicians, we join the stream. We swim in the stream with all the other millions of music makers. It’s a life force, a strong one, surrounding us and we are part of it. -John Williams-
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 08:47 AM
It was not good enough for them to steal half the title of this film: they also felt the need to steal half its music. I find that despicable.
Well I guess, we'll know the title of the sequel, eh? The other half!
Of course it is jollier! It is animation after all and they are stealing cakes for heaven's sake!
Stealing cakes was no funny matter back in the days. If you were caught, you would lose a hand. And if you were the one who was being robbed, it meant certain death for you, since you wouldn't have enough food to last the whole winter.
You'd better off stealing the goats, the cows, or the women.
If you put John Williams in a dryer, you get Jerry Goldsmith! You get the downside version!
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 11:31 AM
Music in that scene was nice. It's a bit concerning though that Pixar is really cranking out the movies fast now. They have always been known for their quality, and Cars 2 was a very dangerous step near the edge.
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 01:07 PM
Music in that scene was nice. It's a bit concerning though that Pixar is really cranking out the movies fast now.
This has been being made for years...
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 01:11 PM
It was not good enough for them to steal half the title of this film: they also felt the need to steal half its music. I find that despicable.
Well I guess, we'll know the title of the sequel, eh? The other half!
I can't wait to hear what Doyle will come up for Heart. Oh, I can already hear it...
BIG BAGPIPES FANFARE... Silence... BIG BAGPIPES FANFARE... Silence... BIG BAGPIPES FANFARE... Silence...
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Posted 28 May 2012 - 01:14 PM
Give the man a chance BloodBoal. Don't lambast the Scot just yet.
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"We pop out and come into the world and music is there. We didn't invent it - it's all organised in the atmosphere by divinity or whatever. It's a miracle." - John Williams-
I think music is a stream of some kind. It could be blood. It could be water. It could be ether. Whatever it is it seems to be a living, organic force that’s in motion, that serves humanity and is part of humanity and part of what describes us as humans. We sing, play, dance, all the things that we do. And there is a vibrant and great literature we have been given. ... As musicians, we join the stream. We swim in the stream with all the other millions of music makers. It’s a life force, a strong one, surrounding us and we are part of it. -John Williams-
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 04:17 PM
i wish they would stop giving every pixar movie a sequel. Only the Toy Story series lends itself to continuing adventures.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 04:24 PM
Yes, exactly. It was an enjoyable film, but no need for a sequel here. Animation is the kind of area where there is no need for this kind of thing anyway, as you can do pretty much anything you want. I'm sure there are plenty of good scripts floating around.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 06:29 PM
Hmm... A sequel to "The Incredibles" sounds possible though. All depends on whether they can come up with a worthwhile story.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 06:57 PM
i wish they would stop giving every pixar movie a sequel. Only the Toy Story series lends itself to continuing adventures.
Or The Incredibles, but that's it. I really wish Brad Bird would allow others to be made without him.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 06:59 PM
I've never seen The Incredibles.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 07:01 PM
I've never seen The Incredibles.
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You need to. Great score by Gia.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 07:34 PM
No, please don't.
The only positive thing would be another Doyle score.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 07:40 PM
Hmmm that's true, The Incredibles would lend itself to good sequels as well.
But really - Cars, Monsters U, Finding Nemo, Brave - these should not be sequelized!
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 07:54 PM
The way I figure it, any film where the world itself is interesting (or the characters truly very unique and interesting even in a new story), could generate a worthy sequel.
But any film where the world is just there for the sake of the story being told wouldn't work so well.
Cars does provide an interesting and unique world that could be used for interesting other stories.
Monsters Inc. I'm not sure about; that world seemed to have run its course within just the one movie.
"Finding Nemo" is set in "the ocean" which is a vastly huge world to be sure, but nothing unique so there's no need for a sequel.
Same with "Ancient Scotland with some magic thrown in". Don't see anything overly interesting there either.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 08:30 PM
I've never seen The Incredibles.
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It's a great film.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 08:41 PM
One of Pixar's best!
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Posted 13 April 2013 - 02:45 AM
i wish they would stop giving every pixar movie a sequel. Only the Toy Story series lends itself to continuing adventures.
Ah, Mark Andrews is just talking about it now. How on earth do you make a sequel to Brave that isn't a cash-in or rehashing the same thing as the first? The last thing I want to see in a hypothetical Brave sequel is seeing Merida getting married off to someone or having her mom turn into an animal again.
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