Sounds like District 9.
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A superbly acted film from Jonathan Demme. Ray Liotta explodes onto the screen. From the moment you see him you know trouble's coming. To be able to carry that type of presence is no easy feat.
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Rise of the Planet of the Apes is surprisingly not the train wreck I expected.
It's a really good movie, and if you leave before the credits you miss something important.
You don't have to stay all the way after the credits just about several minutes in.
Will the academy have the balls and the guts to nominate Andy for Best Actor? He deserves it.
there are several touching moments and nicely timed references to the original.
I just came to the board after seeing it specifically looking for your opinion. I remembered disgruntled your reaction when you first saw the trailers, but I am glad your judgement has done you well -- this is a surprisingly effective (I wouldn't say good) movie. It's very intelligently crafted (it knows when to throw ideas for the viewer to chew and when not to), Andy Serkins provides possibly the best performance for an animated character ever and, more importantly, the whole thing has a heart. Couldn't be more satisfying.
Maybe I'm just lowering my standards. But a few years ago, when Hollywood succumbed to the whole "let's reuse already marketed material instead of trying to sell an original concept in a one-weekend time frame" thing, you were lucky to get a movie as organically engaging as 2009's Star Trek or 2008's Iron Man. This year, between X-Men First Class, Harry Potter, Captain America and Rise, it feels as if Hollywood has finally forgotten about nostalgia and learned to "own" old franchises. They just don't seem to feed off references to the original anymore. They are their own thing. At least where blockbusters are concerned, this is a good thing.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 01:04 AM
I keep hearing how this turned out much better than it looked; but I just can't get past the awful cgi chimp I've seen in the clips. It's just so fake and unbelievable and the only reaction we keep having to the trailers is one of unintended sniggers and eye rolling. I doubt I'll ever get around to seeing it.
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Blair Witch Project
Still creeps me out.
Still creeps me out.
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there is another sequel, sorry I'm thinking Paranormal Activity, another film series that never scared me. Saw Paranormal Activity 3 preview with Apes film.Blair Witch Project
Still creeps me out.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Paranormal activity is not realistic enough to really get me.
I know realistic is a relative term, but I feel like BWP could have actually happened, I don't feel that way with Paranormal Activity. I had a hard time sitting through that.
I know realistic is a relative term, but I feel like BWP could have actually happened, I don't feel that way with Paranormal Activity. I had a hard time sitting through that.
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Rise of the Planet of the Apes is surprisingly not the train wreck I expected.
It's a really good movie, and if you leave before the credits you miss something important.
You don't have to stay all the way after the credits just about several minutes in.
Will the academy have the balls and the guts to nominate Andy for Best Actor? He deserves it.
there are several touching moments and nicely timed references to the original.
I just came to the board after seeing it specifically looking for your opinion. I remembered disgruntled your reaction when you first saw the trailers, but I am glad your judgement has done you well -- this is a surprisingly effective (I wouldn't say good) movie. It's very intelligently crafted (it knows when to throw ideas for the viewer to chew and when not to), Andy Serkins provides possibly the best performance for an animated character ever and, more importantly, the whole thing has a heart. Couldn't be more satisfying.
Maybe I'm just lowering my standards. But a few years ago, when Hollywood succumbed to the whole "let's reuse already marketed material instead of trying to sell an original concept in a one-weekend time frame" thing, you were lucky to get a movie as organically engaging as 2009's Star Trek or 2008's Iron Man. This year, between X-Men First Class, Harry Potter, Captain America and Rise, it feels as if Hollywood has finally forgotten about nostalgia and learned to "own" old franchises. They just don't seem to feed off references to the original anymore. They are their own thing. At least where blockbusters are concerned, this is a good thing.
I couldn't be more fair, I really disliked the previews and loved the film. I can't count how many previews I loved and then hated the film.
Quint, the effects are more polished in the film. There are still some less than satisfying ones, but the most impressive were the orangutan, and the gorilla.
The humanity of the film is enormous.
BWP was a pile to me, but I either got sick on the popcorn or the shaky cam. I would say the shaky cam but I got sick a few times on the popcorn before. I walked out with 10 minutes to go. Finally saw the ending on HBO.Paranormal activity is not realistic enough to really get me.
I know realistic is a relative term, but I feel like BWP could have actually happened, I don't feel that way with Paranormal Activity. I had a hard time sitting through that.
OH God, Joe is posting again, someone hand me my pills!
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Blair Witch creeps me out. Paranormal Activity is just stupid.
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Limitless: The director made a very entertaining film (almost plays like a superhero movie) and Bradley Cooper is good in it, although I do wonder if he truly possesses the stuff that stars are made of. Hollywood seems to think he does. A good, solid 7/10 movie.
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Word is he's being lined up to play a modern day Indiana Jones in the director's next movie.
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Word is he's being lined up to play a modern day Indiana Jones in the director's next movie.
Give us Uncharted - The Film with Nathan Fillon, and be done with it.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 08:28 AM
Yep.
I personally don't want Cooper in the part, I find him to be very smug, but he's the man of the moment isn't he. Fillion or fuck off, I say.
Watched The Count of Monte Cristo last night. Bloody hell can't believe I left it all this time to see this superbly well done slice of old-school Hollywood adventure. Richard Harris turned in a wonderful extended cameo as the mentor, I'd forgotten how charismatic he could be. Kevin Reynolds proved himself to be rather adept at this sort of fair, what happened to him I wonder.
I personally don't want Cooper in the part, I find him to be very smug, but he's the man of the moment isn't he. Fillion or fuck off, I say.
Watched The Count of Monte Cristo last night. Bloody hell can't believe I left it all this time to see this superbly well done slice of old-school Hollywood adventure. Richard Harris turned in a wonderful extended cameo as the mentor, I'd forgotten how charismatic he could be. Kevin Reynolds proved himself to be rather adept at this sort of fair, what happened to him I wonder.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 09:21 AM
I'm very tired of these countless Indiana Jones adventure clones. I think the director of Limitless has potential, he shouldn't do The Librarian/Jack Hunter/National Treasure type of movies.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 09:48 AM
I've not seen any of his movies as far as I know. Apparently Limitless is competently done. Not who I'd (realistically) pick for Uncharted, but I guess he's gotta be better than Paul W.S Anderson.
Lee - who absolutely isn't tired of the better adventure movies and never will be.
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Nothing wrong with a well made adventure yarn...
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Dutch is funny?
'Course it is. But then again the Dutch people think that Flemish is funny.
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You must be joking Belgian!
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 02:16 PM
The Assasination of Jesse James
It's really good, this. Very visual and yet also very literary (dialogue in particular). Pitt is really creepy in this one. More films like this, please.
Hulk
I've seen it once before in cinema 8 years ago. I won't say I'm a fan, but it is certainly light years ahead of anything Marvel's been feeding us for the last couple of years. There are characters in here and the film has something you might call a style. I love how it makes the stupid concept plausible by using the almost Freudian/Jungian parallels.
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It's really good, this. Very visual and yet also very literary (dialogue in particular). Pitt is really creepy in this one. More films like this, please.
Hulk
I've seen it once before in cinema 8 years ago. I won't say I'm a fan, but it is certainly light years ahead of anything Marvel's been feeding us for the last couple of years. There are characters in here and the film has something you might call a style. I love how it makes the stupid concept plausible by using the almost Freudian/Jungian parallels.
Karol
From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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The Assasination of Jesse James
It's really good, this. Very visual and yet also very literary (dialogue in particular). Pitt is really creepy in this one. More films like this, please.
One of my favorites of the last ten years. It instantly made me a big fan of Andrew Dominik, even though he doesn't make a lot of films (sorta like Terrence Malick). His debute film Chopper (starring an incredible Eric Bana) is also very, very good. I'm looking forward to his next film Cogan's Trade, also with Brad Pitt.
Why do all the greatest directors want to work with Brad Pitt?
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 03:20 PM
One of my friends recommended Chopper to me few days ago.
BTW I'm going to see Terrence Malick's latest again tonight. It's the last showing. Can't wait.
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Did you notice Brad Pitt also produced their films? That's probably why. I don't mind. With a good material (like this one and The Tree of Life) he can be really good.Why do all the greatest directors want to work with Brad Pitt?
BTW I'm going to see Terrence Malick's latest again tonight. It's the last showing. Can't wait.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 03:23 PM
The Assasination of Jesse James
It's really good, this. Very visual and yet also very literary (dialogue in particular). Pitt is really creepy in this one. More films like this, please.
Hulk
I've seen it once before in cinema 8 years ago. I won't say I'm a fan, but it is certainly light years ahead of anything Marvel's been feeding us for the last couple of years. There are characters in here and the film has something you might call a style. I love how it makes the stupid concept plausible by using the almost Freudian/Jungian parallels.
Karol
why is this movie so loved by Europeans, yet few Americans care for it?
OH God, Joe is posting again, someone hand me my pills!
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 03:24 PM
Which one? Because it is the case with both of them.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 03:26 PM
Did you notice Brad Pitt also produced their films? That's probably why. I don't mind. With a good material (like this one and The Tree of Life) he can be really good.
I don't mind either. He was great in Jesse James! And I'm sure he's good in The Tree of Life too. I though Ridley Scott was the producer of The Assassination Of Jesse James?
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I highlighted Jesse James.
Hulk isn't even worth responding to it's such a total piece of shit.
Jesse james was just so damned boring. It's pretentious and a waste of time. But it's not the piece of shit that Hulk is.
Hulk isn't even worth responding to it's such a total piece of shit.
Jesse james was just so damned boring. It's pretentious and a waste of time. But it's not the piece of shit that Hulk is.
OH God, Joe is posting again, someone hand me my pills!
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 03:33 PM
They both produced this. Pitt also produced The Tree of Life. I applaud him for this.I don't mind either. He was great in Jesse James! And I'm sure he's good in The Tree of Life too. I though Ridley Scott was the producer of The Assassination Of Jesse James?
I won't even try to convince you it is worthwhile as it simply isn't your thing, but I can just say what it looks like from my perspective. It's not a typical genre film. We, Europeans have a soft spot for this kind of a thing. I like that the slow pace and a unreal feel to it. The characters are all strange and you all these looooooong pauses and all that. It uses music well (which by itself isn't anything special) and is photographed in an interesting way. I can appreciate why it gets on somebody's nerves though.I highlighted Jesse James.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 03:37 PM
It's because Americans are generally more ignorant, fatter and stupid. Maybe there's something in the air....
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 03:39 PM
It's not a typical genre film.
Sure it is! It's the Revisionist Western! Yes, it's very anti-Joey and that's why I love it.
It's because Americans are generally more ignorant, fatter and stupid. Maybe there's something in the air....
Especially those living in the spaces between New York and Los Angeles.
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you like it because you are pretentious and like pretentious things.
you also like things that are not popular, you're the anti popular guy.
even your favorite film Blade Runner was not popular, it didn't even make back it's budget at the boxoffice.
oh by the way, to even call the Assassination of Jesse James a western, let alone a "revisionst western" is wrong.
The exploits of these bandits never occured in the west. It's a period piece but not a western.
you also like things that are not popular, you're the anti popular guy.
even your favorite film Blade Runner was not popular, it didn't even make back it's budget at the boxoffice.
oh by the way, to even call the Assassination of Jesse James a western, let alone a "revisionst western" is wrong.
The exploits of these bandits never occured in the west. It's a period piece but not a western.
OH God, Joe is posting again, someone hand me my pills!
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 06:32 PM
It's a Western.
One of my favorite films; and Karol is wrong, the score is amazing.
One of my favorite films; and Karol is wrong, the score is amazing.
In 50 years Herrmann will be forgotten.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 07:14 PM
it take place in middle America, not the west.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 07:19 PM
Back to the Future and Back to the Future Part II take place in California. By that logic, that makes them westerns.
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 07:22 PM
I found Jesse James interesting and captivating in parts, but in large parts really boring.
I don't have a problem with films that are very low key or "abnormal" for the genre, but then the film shouldn't be so long.
I don't have a problem with films that are very low key or "abnormal" for the genre, but then the film shouldn't be so long.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 07:25 PM
so a film that takes place in the 1880's in Middle America (read Central United States) must be by definition a western. Okay I stand corrected.Back to the Future and Back to the Future Part II take place in California. By that logic, that makes them westerns.
is Bonnie and Clyde a western? I mean trade out the cars for horses, course Bonnie and Clyde is a superior film to this Jesse james picture in every way.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 07:31 PM
whats the geographical boundary
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 07:41 PM
I'm not sure the boundry is geographical, I'm afraid it may be more of a linear timeline. I have created nothing.
Is Gone with the Wind a western, there are horses and guns?
Is Gone with the Wind a western, there are horses and guns?
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 08:04 PM
I wrote a really nice long response but erased it because it hurts to type.
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 08:06 PM
I'm sure it was good, you better than anyone writes good responses, you should turn on the handicapped feature in your computer that lets you talk and it types for you. shit I didn't say that, stop typing, how the hell do I turn this off, oh crap here comes the boss, turn off damn youI wrote a really nice long response but erased it because it hurts to type.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 08:41 PM
Greetings Doctor Faulkner.
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How about a nice game of chess?
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How about a nice game of chess?
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 08:44 PM
Watched The Tree of Life again. Still great. Interesting how the film is even less about the plot than his previous ones. Actually, there is no plot as such at all. It feels more like Malick was trying to replicate how memory works. Single events, images, lines of dialogue. It is very successful in this way. So there is no narrative structure or logic like in a usual movie. Also, I don't get why so many people say the film is "preachy". Doesn't compute. To be preachy it should spell out things for us. Like in Thor, for example ("to be a true hero you need to be willing to give your life away to save others" etc).
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Except when discussing sharks. I'm sorry about that outburst.
If it's a linear timeline, then admit that in the late 18th century, the edge of the western frontier was the Appalachians. Only the brave went west of Pittsburgh around the time of American independence. That land was Indian territory, barbarians lived there. Gradually Lois and Clark pushed the frontier back and the Mississippi River became the edge of the frontier. Territory that would become Arkansas and Minnesota would have been in that land. Then the frontier was pushed all the way to the Pacific Ocean when people discovered gold, and the entire west began to be settled.
Sure, Hollywood glamorized the Old West as those states generally west of Texas in the time after the Civil War, but the movies did not adopt the region for geography's sake. They embraced key ideals: the lawlessness of the frontier with the wide open spaces, the hostile bandits and Indians and animals posing danger around every turn, vast distances between town, the reliance on the railroad and telegraph for transportation and communication across those distances, the resource wealth, and the sparsely populated towns starting to pop up all over. Those were foreign concepts back East, where civilization had been entrenched since the 1600s, and so the movies needed to find a time period in history to romanticize: the old West.
Is Gone with the Wind a western? I never saw it, but doesn't it just take place in Georgia and the battlefields of the Civil War? I wouldn't call it a western, but I'm not sure "Civil War" is unto itself a genre of film. "Gettysburg" certainly is not a western, but "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" has strong Civil War elements and is also considered a western (spaghetti subgenre). Would a movie about Vicksburg -- probably the most popularly remembered battle taking-place-more-west-than-east -- be a Civil War western? Probably not.
At the same time, I don't know if you would call A River Runs Through It -- Montana, early 1900s -- a western instead of a period drama, simply because it's set in the west.
Is No Country for Old Men a western? Not in the classic sense, because it's set in the modern era. It would be a modern western.
Bonnie and Clyde? Not sure. More than anything it's a period drama, a crime movie. It's not thought of as being a western, but I wouldn't exclude it just to be a reverse pigeon-hole.
The Assassination of Jesse James would still be a western because it focuses on the ideals that other westerns use, even if its territory isn't as "west" as you could get. They call these types of movies revisionist westerns. Along with Dances with Wolves, which was one of the first to show the Indians as an amicable people instead of the default savages of earlier films.
You could make a movie about a frontier town outside of Cleveland in the 1790s and get away with calling it a western, in addition to just a period piece, frontier movie, or other niche movie.
There are a lot of sub-genres to westerns, and many of them overlap. It's hard to find a movie belongs to just one genre, just as it is difficult to insist that a movie is not in another genre if it toes the line.
If it's a linear timeline, then admit that in the late 18th century, the edge of the western frontier was the Appalachians. Only the brave went west of Pittsburgh around the time of American independence. That land was Indian territory, barbarians lived there. Gradually Lois and Clark pushed the frontier back and the Mississippi River became the edge of the frontier. Territory that would become Arkansas and Minnesota would have been in that land. Then the frontier was pushed all the way to the Pacific Ocean when people discovered gold, and the entire west began to be settled.
Sure, Hollywood glamorized the Old West as those states generally west of Texas in the time after the Civil War, but the movies did not adopt the region for geography's sake. They embraced key ideals: the lawlessness of the frontier with the wide open spaces, the hostile bandits and Indians and animals posing danger around every turn, vast distances between town, the reliance on the railroad and telegraph for transportation and communication across those distances, the resource wealth, and the sparsely populated towns starting to pop up all over. Those were foreign concepts back East, where civilization had been entrenched since the 1600s, and so the movies needed to find a time period in history to romanticize: the old West.
Is Gone with the Wind a western? I never saw it, but doesn't it just take place in Georgia and the battlefields of the Civil War? I wouldn't call it a western, but I'm not sure "Civil War" is unto itself a genre of film. "Gettysburg" certainly is not a western, but "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" has strong Civil War elements and is also considered a western (spaghetti subgenre). Would a movie about Vicksburg -- probably the most popularly remembered battle taking-place-more-west-than-east -- be a Civil War western? Probably not.
At the same time, I don't know if you would call A River Runs Through It -- Montana, early 1900s -- a western instead of a period drama, simply because it's set in the west.
Is No Country for Old Men a western? Not in the classic sense, because it's set in the modern era. It would be a modern western.
Bonnie and Clyde? Not sure. More than anything it's a period drama, a crime movie. It's not thought of as being a western, but I wouldn't exclude it just to be a reverse pigeon-hole.
The Assassination of Jesse James would still be a western because it focuses on the ideals that other westerns use, even if its territory isn't as "west" as you could get. They call these types of movies revisionist westerns. Along with Dances with Wolves, which was one of the first to show the Indians as an amicable people instead of the default savages of earlier films.
You could make a movie about a frontier town outside of Cleveland in the 1790s and get away with calling it a western, in addition to just a period piece, frontier movie, or other niche movie.
There are a lot of sub-genres to westerns, and many of them overlap. It's hard to find a movie belongs to just one genre, just as it is difficult to insist that a movie is not in another genre if it toes the line.
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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