Indeed. Why, I remember in early 1999, when the idea that a film with the words "star" and "wars" in the title would inspire quality, creativity, and enjoyability.
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Posted 15 July 2011 - 04:52 PM
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It looks like the Toby Maguire Spider-Man suit took a major shit and the result is the reboot suit. The new suit looks god awful ugly.
At least the Batman (Bale) and Superman Returns (Routhe) suits looked likable, this is just down right ugly. You also can't tell me that a high school student like Peter Parker built mechanical web shooters, no matter how smart he is.
At least the Batman (Bale) and Superman Returns (Routhe) suits looked likable, this is just down right ugly. You also can't tell me that a high school student like Peter Parker built mechanical web shooters, no matter how smart he is.
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You also can't tell me that a high school student like Peter Parker built mechanical web shooters, no matter how smart he is.
Sure you can! That is an aspect of the comics , which dates from the 1960s so it's grandfathered into the story. It's Raimi who took liberties by making the web shooters organic just for the puberty joke, but which removed the plot device of running out of web cartridges.
I went to college with one guy who built tesla coils and another who built robots in high school. Web-shooters? Piss on 'em.
The new suit looks like he sewed it from basketball material.
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Posted 15 July 2011 - 07:02 PM
It looks like the Toby Maguire Spider-Man suit took a major shit and the result is the reboot suit. The new suit looks god awful ugly.
At least the Batman (Bale) and Superman Returns (Routhe) suits looked likable, this is just down right ugly. You also can't tell me that a high school student like Peter Parker built mechanical web shooters, no matter how smart he is.
Agreed. I am sad about what could have been Spider-Man 4 with Malkovich and Hathaway.
My favorite quote from a critic so far about the reboot was something like "I don't like the idea of a mutant spider bite causing a boy to be able to make mechanical web shooters".
Can't say I disagree.
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Posted 15 July 2011 - 07:39 PM
So I guess no one here likes the comics?
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Posted 15 July 2011 - 07:43 PM
Never got into Spidey comics.
But I will say I know plenty of people who do, and they are downright orgasmic over the web-shooters.
I do know I am most likely in the minority.
But I will say I know plenty of people who do, and they are downright orgasmic over the web-shooters.
I do know I am most likely in the minority.
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Posted 15 July 2011 - 08:18 PM
I think all the Maguire spiderman films were not very good. 3 was horrible, 2 was probably the least worst of the three, and one was boring.
the advantage of the reboot is the effects might be somewhat more convincing, but I don't care for the character so I really don't get invested in the movies. Sam Raimi should have stuck to cheap horror.
the advantage of the reboot is the effects might be somewhat more convincing, but I don't care for the character so I really don't get invested in the movies. Sam Raimi should have stuck to cheap horror.
OH God, Joe is posting again, someone hand me my pills!
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 15 July 2011 - 08:22 PM
I kind of hated Raimi's films, but then I realized his camp approach was exactly the point. He wasn't making a "take me seriosuly" superhero film. They are supposed to feel a bit tacky. Just like Independence Day.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 15 July 2011 - 11:00 PM
that's bull.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 16 July 2011 - 03:19 AM
There's tacky, and then there's this:
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Posted 16 July 2011 - 06:22 AM
I kind of hated Raimi's films, but then I realized his camp approach was exactly the point. He wasn't making a "take me seriosuly" superhero film. They are supposed to feel a bit tacky. Just like Independence Day.
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Emmerich? He takes it very seriously. His mission is to beat Spielberg at his own game: Spectacle, SFX extravaganzas, big summer movie, sympathetic characters, excitement and a little humor ... but deliberately tacky? I don't think he even knows what that means. Of course, later he forgot about his own rules and only made bloodless SFX extravaganzas.
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Posted 16 July 2011 - 06:52 AM
No, I don't think so. Maybe his latter films, but there is nothing serious about ID4. And certainly not with its score.
Anyway, I just don't take Spider-Man films seriously, that's all. And when I do that I find them much more enjoyable.
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Anyway, I just don't take Spider-Man films seriously, that's all. And when I do that I find them much more enjoyable.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 16 July 2011 - 06:57 AM
Of course, later he forgot about his own rules and only made bloodless SFX extravaganzas.
He did? I don't see how 2012 deviates from the basic ingredients of ID4. It even feels as inflated and overlong as ID4.
These days, standing in front of a cinema marquee is like a bad parody. SPIDERMAN RESOLVED, BATMAN REFLECTED, HULK REMOVED, SUPERMAN REVOLTED...who pays for watching those suckers?
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Posted 16 July 2011 - 07:28 AM
... but there is nothing serious about ID4.
I didn't say that but it is based on the rules I mentioned. You make it sound as if Emmerich is like Paul Verhoeven. He isn't. Haven't you seen his other movies? The same tone, recipe and intent, only even more worse. ID4 is no exception (well, yeah, a little bit).
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Posted 16 July 2011 - 08:56 AM
There is no irony in Emmerich's films or in the Spiderman trilogy. Not like Robocop, Starship Troopers or Showgirls.
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Posted 16 July 2011 - 09:25 AM
I sort of agree with a bit of Alex and a bit of Carol.
I disagree with the notion that the cheese factor wasn't part of the movie's design.
I think the corny tone is very deliberate in ID4, whilst Emmerich's main mission was to capture the blockbuster spirit of Spielberg et al.
By contrast, the playful essence of ID4 isn't present in his later movie, Day After Tomorrow - because there the director was going for serious - but he couldn't pull it off. It's cheesy for mainly the wrong reasons, like Deep Impact.
Emmerich returned to ID4 form though for 2012, where he felt more comfortable.
I disagree with the notion that the cheese factor wasn't part of the movie's design.
I think the corny tone is very deliberate in ID4, whilst Emmerich's main mission was to capture the blockbuster spirit of Spielberg et al.
By contrast, the playful essence of ID4 isn't present in his later movie, Day After Tomorrow - because there the director was going for serious - but he couldn't pull it off. It's cheesy for mainly the wrong reasons, like Deep Impact.
Emmerich returned to ID4 form though for 2012, where he felt more comfortable.
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Posted 16 July 2011 - 02:54 PM
Don't call me Carol!I sort of agree with a bit of Alex and a bit of Carol.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Oops. Sorry.
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Posted 16 July 2011 - 03:12 PM
That would be reasonable, Lea. 
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 16 July 2011 - 03:14 PM
It's LEIGH, actually.
Pfft...
Pfft...
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Posted 16 July 2011 - 03:15 PM
Yeah, but you can't make a female name out of it. 
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 16 July 2011 - 03:17 PM
In that case I'd prefer Leia.
Leia Papadopoulos.
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Posted 16 July 2011 - 03:18 PM
As you wish, Princess.
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Posted 20 July 2011 - 09:32 PM
The Amazing Spider-Man Teaser trailer
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I do not like what I see. The last part of the trailer, especially, looks pretty lame (even though it probably won't be in the film).
Who's supposed to score this ?
Who's supposed to score this ?
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Posted 20 July 2011 - 09:58 PM
I do not like what I see. The last part of the trailer, especially, looks pretty lame (even though it probably won't be in the film).
It looks like a videogame. Awful.
It's probably supposed to get us all riled up to see this movie in 3D. But the whole thing looks like just another goddamn superhero origin story. With daddy-issues no less. Huzzah!
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Coolest part of that trailer: the Rear Window poster in the background of one of the shots.
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I do not like what I see. The last part of the trailer, especially, looks pretty lame
I agree
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The Amazing Spider-Man = Most unnecessary film in recent years.
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to the filmKarol
From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Can someone, ANYONE, explain to me why this new Spiderman reboot thingy isn't the most redundant movie ever made?
For the first time ever, I actually hope a movie flops. Hard.
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Posted 20 July 2011 - 10:48 PM
I don't know ... he prospect of having it done very close to the comic books is kind of exciting.
IF it is done that way.
IF it is done that way.
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Not very pleased with the Spider-Man trailer. I do like the cast and the director, and this could potentially be a great way to explore the character in a way Sam Raimi didn't, but I felt like it was just too soon watching it.
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I can't imagine this being a box office success.
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I can.
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Posted 21 July 2011 - 03:33 AM
Still don't understand why they couldn't have a new cast without showing the origin again. I understand Webb wanting to put his own spin on things, but does anybody need to waste 20 minutes on Peter learning he's got powers again. It could have been handled just like in The Incredible Hulk, shown in the title sequence. It worked quite well in that instance I think and I really don't see why it couldn't again.
I'll watch it eventually because I'm a sucker for superhero films, but I'll definitely wait for it to hit DVD.
I'll watch it eventually because I'm a sucker for superhero films, but I'll definitely wait for it to hit DVD.
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Well they obviously want to do something slightly different with the character this time. The key difference seems to be that Parker will be younger in high school than what Raimi's first movie established, where Peter and his friends were off to college.
They want Gwen Stacy as his love interest, instead of Mary Jane Watson, who's not even in this movie.
They want to show Spider-Man using artificial web-shooters instead of the organic ones, to be truer to the original comic books, where he can run out of web fluid, instead of having the male anatomy jokes we had in Raimi's first film. So yes, Wycket, they'd need to show him getting the powers again because they want to do them differently.
They're really distancing themselves from Raimi's films, because J. Jonah Jameson and the Osbornes don't seem to be in this one.
Granted, the Wikipedia page is subject to change, and the villains they have selected for this film appear to be characters that haven't been seen in Raimi's films (or used as villains yet, like with Dr. Connors). It's not like we could say, "oh, well a third Raimi sequel could also use those villains because they're not dead like the first Green Goblin and Doc Ock and Venom," but they would be shoehorned trying to bring on a new creative team to follow the continuity established by Raimi.
Solution? Start over. It's the fact that it's so soon that it's so jarring.
I mean, we had two (recent) Batman movies that centered on Joker as the villain, but 1989 and 2008 were almost 20 years apart. The gap between the two films with Two-Face is even closer. If they had decided to reboot 2002's Spider-Man movie with another origin film with any color of Goblin as the bad guy, only ten years later? Oh wait, Van Adder. Rats.
They want Gwen Stacy as his love interest, instead of Mary Jane Watson, who's not even in this movie.
They want to show Spider-Man using artificial web-shooters instead of the organic ones, to be truer to the original comic books, where he can run out of web fluid, instead of having the male anatomy jokes we had in Raimi's first film. So yes, Wycket, they'd need to show him getting the powers again because they want to do them differently.
They're really distancing themselves from Raimi's films, because J. Jonah Jameson and the Osbornes don't seem to be in this one.
Granted, the Wikipedia page is subject to change, and the villains they have selected for this film appear to be characters that haven't been seen in Raimi's films (or used as villains yet, like with Dr. Connors). It's not like we could say, "oh, well a third Raimi sequel could also use those villains because they're not dead like the first Green Goblin and Doc Ock and Venom," but they would be shoehorned trying to bring on a new creative team to follow the continuity established by Raimi.
Solution? Start over. It's the fact that it's so soon that it's so jarring.
I mean, we had two (recent) Batman movies that centered on Joker as the villain, but 1989 and 2008 were almost 20 years apart. The gap between the two films with Two-Face is even closer. If they had decided to reboot 2002's Spider-Man movie with another origin film with any color of Goblin as the bad guy, only ten years later? Oh wait, Van Adder. Rats.
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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Posted 21 July 2011 - 06:11 AM
It looks like a videogame. Awful.
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BloodBoal
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Posted 21 July 2011 - 07:40 AM
Yeah, I thought of that one, too.
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Posted 21 July 2011 - 07:47 AM
That makes three of us. Great game btw.
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