It will be remembered for its technical achievements, nothing else
How much money will Tintin and War Horse gross?
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Posted 17 October 2011 - 11:56 AM
It will be remembered for its technical achievements, nothing else
Just like JP, just like Star Wars? No.
It will be remembered for great entertainment--a great movie experience.
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Posted 17 October 2011 - 11:59 AM
Ferngully is seriously the most obvious inspiration. I find it despicable that they didn't even included "Based on the movie Ferngully" in the end credits. It's not just the story. It's the locations, the characters... Everything. That is the most blatant rip-off since the invention of the word "rip-off".
It was based on The Smurfs.
What about the most successful movie, ever, AVATAR?
And Ferngully something.
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Posted 17 October 2011 - 11:59 AM
Jurassic Park and Star Wars are far better movies than Avatar. Far better. Far better music as well.
And it still irks me that with all that amazing world-making technology, the best Cameron can come up with is a earthly rain forest that glows in the dark. Everything in Avatar is just so derivative. He wrote a story where he could hang special effects. But we're getting off topic here
And it still irks me that with all that amazing world-making technology, the best Cameron can come up with is a earthly rain forest that glows in the dark. Everything in Avatar is just so derivative. He wrote a story where he could hang special effects. But we're getting off topic here
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Posted 17 October 2011 - 12:06 PM
Jurassic Park and Star Wars are far better movies than Avatar. Far better. Far better music as well.
And it still irks me that with all that amazing world-making technology, the best Cameron can come up with is a earthly rain forest that glows in the dark. Everything in Avatar is just so derivative. He wrote a story where he could hang special effects. But we're getting off topic here
I would say Avatar and Jurassic Park are just about on the same level actually (although JP's score is vastly superior).
Star Wars is way above both of them.
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Posted 17 October 2011 - 01:50 PM
Chaac approves every word of this post.Jurassic Park and Star Wars are far better movies than Avatar. Far better. Far better music as well.
And it still irks me that with all that amazing world-making technology, the best Cameron can come up with is a earthly rain forest that glows in the dark. Everything in Avatar is just so derivative. He wrote a story where he could hang special effects. But we're getting off topic here
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Posted 17 October 2011 - 01:56 PM
I predict
Domestic: 130-175M
International: 350-400M
Total: 480-575M
Domestic: 130-175M
International: 350-400M
Total: 480-575M
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 02:51 AM
Well, Tintin is almost finished at 77 million domestically and 296 million internationally.
War Horse is finished domestically at 79 and 88 internationally, but I think there's still some more international funds coming in.
War Horse is finished domestically at 79 and 88 internationally, but I think there's still some more international funds coming in.
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 11:43 AM
So is War Horse considered a flop now?
It made money sure, but probably much less than Spielberg and co were expecting!
It made money sure, but probably much less than Spielberg and co were expecting!
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 11:48 AM
Spielberg's career is over.
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 11:52 AM
Munich had a budget of 77 million and made "only" 130 million! And Amistad had a budget of 36 million and managed only 44 million!
So at least War Horse is doing better than that.
But seriously, who cares how much money these "serious" movies make? They are great movies, period.
So at least War Horse is doing better than that.
But seriously, who cares how much money these "serious" movies make? They are great movies, period.
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 04:25 PM
War Horse will gross nearly 3 times its budget
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 04:36 PM
And that's before Blu-ray sales. It'll be fine.
Well, apart from those who love to call ZOMG IT'S A BOMB on anything that doesn't make 600mil. Glossy magazine readers, etc.
Well, apart from those who love to call ZOMG IT'S A BOMB on anything that doesn't make 600mil. Glossy magazine readers, etc.
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 08:31 PM
I placed my vote.
Less than 400 both.
Well, I just can't believe that a movie that great as Tintin makes only 77 million in US.
Less than 400 both.
Well, I just can't believe that a movie that great as Tintin makes only 77 million in US.
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Posted 18 March 2012 - 08:33 PM
It's marketing campaign wasn't that good. The only quote I remember from the TV spots is "the perfect cross between Pirates of the Caribbean and Indiana Jones." While it certainly has some influence from those franchises, I don't go to see a movie because it's completely derivative of two other series.
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 04:59 PM
the predictions in this thread were a hoot. Neither film was a blockbuster but both pulled in decent numbers. Tin Tin should have been a summer film where it would have done better but poor marketing on Paramount's part sabatoged that.
War Horse should have been a Thanksgiving release or a summer release, it would have done well as the anti summer blockbuster.
War Horse should have been a Thanksgiving release or a summer release, it would have done well as the anti summer blockbuster.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 05:12 PM
A few weeks ago, I was watching TV with my mom and she remarked at how absurd of a title the Tin Tin (haha) movie had. I couldn't help but agree, really, because that's what Hollywood does now. Really Long Movie Title: Bombastic Subtitle That's Supposed to Clarify But Why.
Neither movie appealed to me, neither the cartoon nor the animal war movie. The Spielberg brand doesn't mean what it used to, and I don't have to see a movie to appreciate John Williams' music. I haven't seen either movie. Put an asterisk beside your domestic total to indicate one fella who is holding out on forking over the ~$10 for each.
Neither movie appealed to me, neither the cartoon nor the animal war movie. The Spielberg brand doesn't mean what it used to, and I don't have to see a movie to appreciate John Williams' music. I haven't seen either movie. Put an asterisk beside your domestic total to indicate one fella who is holding out on forking over the ~$10 for each.
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 05:30 PM
I plan to add to both's blu ray sales figures.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 05:34 PM
The Spielberg brand doesn't mean what it used to
Munich and The Secret of the Unicorn disagree with you!
Really Long Movie Title: Bombastic Subtitle That's Supposed to Clarify But Why.
Well, technically, the subtitle is the title, and the "title" is the name of the series (I guess they figured "Tintin & ..." didn't sound good). That's how it was in the books.
They screwed up in some places where they took the title out. If anything they should have used that, and left out the series title where it doesn't carry any meaning like in Usamerica.
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 05:48 PM
munich was such a waste of Spielberg's time, as well as the audiences.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 05:49 PM
the predictions in this thread were a hoot. Neither film was a blockbuster but both pulled in decent numbers.
Tintin did more than decent numbers, it was a hit internationally. 79% of that $373M gross came from international grosses. Paramount and Sony do have a script in the works for a second film, which Kathleen Kennedy said would be shot this summer and be ready for a Christmas 2014 release or summer 2015 release.
Considering how Universal withdrew from financing the film (it said the film would have to recoup $425M in order to break even, with the $135M production cost plus Spielberg and Jackson's profit participation), it looks like Spielberg and Jackson are confident that the film has already made money.
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 06:08 PM
That's because Tintin is an international phenomenon that the Europeans and everyone they colonized grew up with.
Americans? Not so much. If the marketing here failed it's because it was billed as a cross between POTC and Indiana Jones, and since the last installments of those sucked, maybe audiences didn't want to risk it. Especially because it looked like a bromantic threesome of a scruffy sailor, his cub, and their dog. Oohdalally. Had it been sold as the film adaptation of a timeless children's book series that millions grew up with worldwide, why, that reeks of phenomenon, and millions here would've flocked. Oh well.
Americans? Not so much. If the marketing here failed it's because it was billed as a cross between POTC and Indiana Jones, and since the last installments of those sucked, maybe audiences didn't want to risk it. Especially because it looked like a bromantic threesome of a scruffy sailor, his cub, and their dog. Oohdalally. Had it been sold as the film adaptation of a timeless children's book series that millions grew up with worldwide, why, that reeks of phenomenon, and millions here would've flocked. Oh well.
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 06:52 PM
I wonder if the powers that be have decided whether to go ahead with the sequel to Tintin or not. I really hope they do.
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That's because Tintin is an international phenomenon that the Europeans and everyone they colonized grew up with.
Americans? Not so much.
i must check my history... so the spanish, english, french people that lived on what is now the USA were not colonists but something else?
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:36 PM
Manuel. Don't try to argue with a nation that refuses to embrace football (what they call soccer)
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:40 PM
Manuel. Don't try to argue with a nation that refuses to embrace football (what they call soccer)
Meh. Don't try to argue with a nation that took a whole continent as their name.
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:41 PM
Manuel. Don't try to argue with a nation that refuses to embrace football (what they call soccer)
What European team does David Beckham still play for?
Meh. Don't try to argue with a nation that took a whole continent as their name.
No, that would be Australia. We augmented the continent name with "United States of." That's why we chant "U-S-A," not "America."
We also refuse to embrace the metric system. You gonna hold that over our heads too?
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:41 PM
Stttt....they will declare war.
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:42 PM
Manuel. Don't try to argue with a nation that refuses to embrace football (what they call soccer)
Meh. Don't try to argue with a nation that took a whole continent as their name.
and think they are entitled to it!
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Stttt....they will declare war.
Like anyone's gonna stop us...
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:58 PM
No, that would be Australia. We augmented the continent name with "United States of." That's why we chant "U-S-A," not "America."
Australia occupies all of the Australian territory.
Not that I really care about this, just an aesthetic quibble.
As for the measuring system people use there, it drives me mad while I read things written there. Other than that I don't care. Except that occasion they screwed up with a Mars orbiter.
Now, on paralell note, I find it interesting how, despite the English speaking world pushing aside things not written in English, Tintin managed to be known in the UK... and then got stuck there.
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 09:02 PM
Manuel. Don't try to argue with a nation that refuses to embrace football (what they call soccer)
Don't blame MY country for "mis-naming" your precious sport, Dutchie. Blame England!
The rules of football were codified in England by the Football Association in 1863 and the name association football was coined to distinguish the game from the other forms of football played at the time, specifically rugby football. The term soccer originated in England, first appearing in the 1880s as an Oxford "-er" abbreviation of the word "association".[6]
Besides, there are many in my country who have embraced soccer. Soccer moms don't get excited to watch their little boys play baseball.
My country just has so many other sports to offer besides soccer. Your country has what else, tournament windmill repair, tulip planting, and wooden shoe races?
No, that would be Australia. We augmented the continent name with "United States of." That's why we chant "U-S-A," not "America."
Australia occupies all of the Australian territory.
Oh, so you want to get cute and insist that "the Australian continent" includes the islands of Tasmania and New Guinea?
I don't think you're cute, so I don't agree.
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 09:11 PM
You rebel scum!
The Netherlands excell in the fields of swimming, hockey, baseball (we are world champions), darts and ice-skating!
The USA must be the only colony of England that has not embraced Cricket!
The Netherlands excell in the fields of swimming, hockey, baseball (we are world champions), darts and ice-skating!
The USA must be the only colony of England that has not embraced Cricket!
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 09:13 PM
Swimming...useful when your levees fail and you have to swim somewhere for a job.
Hockey...all the good players are tied up in NHL contracts, so I'm not impressed.
Baseball...again, all the good players are in the MLB, so I don't care what your amateurs (from your Caribbean islands, probably) did if they weren't signed to an MLB contract.
Darts...now there's a real man's game. Useful to ward off the next invasion from the east.
Ice-skating...yeah, the levees might fail in winter, and you need to get the tulips to market.
Cricket, isn't that a cell phone company?
Hockey...all the good players are tied up in NHL contracts, so I'm not impressed.
Baseball...again, all the good players are in the MLB, so I don't care what your amateurs (from your Caribbean islands, probably) did if they weren't signed to an MLB contract.
Darts...now there's a real man's game. Useful to ward off the next invasion from the east.
Ice-skating...yeah, the levees might fail in winter, and you need to get the tulips to market.
Cricket, isn't that a cell phone company?
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 09:14 PM
Oh, so you want to get cute and insist that "the Australian continent" includes the islands of Tasmania and New Guinea?
I don't think you're cute, so I don't agree.
We aren't following each other. The way I was taught it, from a boring geographical point of view, is that Australia is a big island forming part of the continent Oceania including New Zealand, Tasmania and all the tiny islands. Hence the State Australia occupies all of Australia. As I got older, studied the history of the Earth and started to see the "continents" concept kind of arbitrary and superficial, I no longer think like that. Australia is a currently emerged land occupied by a country called, quite appropiately, Australia. America is an enormous emerged mass of land occupied by 35 countries or so.
Of course, Australia and Nueva Guinea are basically the Sahul shelf, and form a different mass to Zealandia.
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 09:16 PM
At least the Australians acknowledge Elizabeth II as their Monarch, and they have Rugby and Cricket!
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 09:17 PM
These box office stories are getting very interesting...
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 09:19 PM
America is an enormous emerged mass of land occupied by 35 countries or so.
There is no continent named America. That's a very archaic way of viewing the western hemisphere.
There's a North, with three big countries and all the little guys between Mexico and Colombia, and a South consisting of all the countries that touch Brazil and two that don't. But there's no "America."
Do you Europeans consider France and Mongolia to be located on the same continent?
You can walk from Johannesburg to Calcutta if you have the time. Is Afroeurasia the next great supercontinent?
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 09:26 PM
Europe is actually a subcontinent, rather then a real continent.
It is however the birthplace of everything you hold dear.
It is however the birthplace of everything you hold dear.
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 09:27 PM
That's an unprovoked assumption!
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