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[Incanus]

I saw a Tintin dog chow commercial today.

Glad to see they are using every available method of selling more stuff with this movie. Even dog food. That opporturnity does not present itself very often.

[Luke Skywalker]

could the 'old enemies meet' music at the crane fight be composed (reused) by williams?

It fits so well, maybe he rescored the other part but maintained the original version for the later scene.

Im saying this because the ending of Capturing the plane (where we see the karaboudjan sailing) is almost equal from the last view of the karaboudjan in the 'escaping the... namesake'

[Jason LeBlanc]

I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say. Can you rephrase?

[indy4]

Have the variations of the Unicorn's Theme that were used in the trailer been released officially? I assumed they were from "Sir Francis and the Unicorn," but the trailer version includes a low brass counterline that isn't heard on the OST.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Which trailer are you talking about?

[indy4]

28 seconds into this trailer:



Now that I think about it, that counterline sounds like a reference to Tintin's theme. Rhythmically they are essentially the same.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Dude, that's the exact same music I already pointed you towards earlier today

Which Tintin site was it, that had the piece of music, that was pretty much the music from the Trailer without SFX playig in the background?

http://www.us.movie.tintin.com/

See here: http://www.jwfan.com...ndpost&p=762620

[indy4]

Oh jeez, my bad! It's easy to miss responses in that thread, the page count tends to wrack up pretty quickly.

[Jason LeBlanc]

No worries

[Faleel]

I thought that was red rackham's theme?

[Luke Skywalker]

I honestly have no idea what you are trying to say. Can you rephrase?

let me try....

Williams composed the 1st draft, using the same music for the haddoque-rackham fight and for the Haddock-saccharine (crane) fight.
Later he decided (or was asked) to rescore the hadoque-rackham fight and that the version in the film-OST. But he retained the crane fight with the reprised material from the original 'old enemies meet'

My reason to think this is that The ending of 'Escaping from the karaboudjan' and 'capturing the plane' are almost the same composition, and if they are two different recording, it means that in other parts of the film williams could have also reused material with none or slight orchestration.

Makes sense now?

[Jason LeBlanc]

Except that he never rescored the Francis Haddock/Red Rackham Fight. The sequence is made up of 3 cues:

1. Old Enemies Meet - covers Haddock "waking up" after Snowy brings him the alchohol, and he re-inacts Sir Francis while destroying the room and needing to be restrained in the present
2. At Sword Point - "Feather Knife" on the FYC - Haddock is tied up, him and Rackham talk, he escapes and pours gunpowder
3. Dueling Pirates - He lights the gunpowder, him and Raddock have their big sword fight

In the final film, most of Old Enemies Meet was replaced by music tracked in from Dueling Pirates - not a rewrite, an editorially created change.
At Sword Point has some inserts not part of his original 2009 cue added, but the overall idea of the cue is not majorly changed
Dueling Pirates is unaltered except for the removal of the Bagghar theme (which must have also represented the treasure in the 2009 cues)

As for the Crane Fight sequence, we simply don't know how he originaly scored it. All we know is that in the final film, large chunks of Old Enemies Meet are tracked in.over part of it.

[Luke Skywalker]

you are sure its tracked then.

then, forget what i said

[Jason LeBlanc]

Well - NO. I suppose its impossible to prove that it's tracked. I simply know that what I can hear matches the sheet music for Old Enemies Meet. However, it is possible he always intended to reprise that music there, and just recorded the same music twice. There's really no way to know for sure, I suppose.

If they hadn't replaced most of Old Enemies Meet in its intended spot, we'd be able to compare the two recording and look for subtle differences that would indicate they were different recordings. Maybe once the blu ray comes out, we can compare the bits that weren't replaced by Dueling Pirates

Alternatively, hopefully someone will leak the rest of the sheet music and we'll have all our answers

[Alexander]

Hahahahaha!

At 0:47 in 2m3 The Wizards Pub (the 1:23 uncut version from the recording sessions) from HP1 you can hear Snowy's theme!

Well - NO. I suppose its impossible to prove that it's tracked. I simply know that what I can hear matches the sheet music for Old Enemies Meet. However, it is possible he always intended to reprise that music there, and just recorded the same music twice. There's really no way to know for sure, I suppose.

If they hadn't replaced most of Old Enemies Meet in its intended spot, we'd be able to compare the two recording and look for subtle differences that would indicate they were different recordings. Maybe once the blu ray comes out, we can compare the bits that weren't replaced by Dueling Pirates

Alternatively, hopefully someone will leak the rest of the sheet music and we'll have all our answers

Allmost all of Old Enemies Meet is in the Crane Fight sequence. The 2010 version is in the file from the UK website.

[Nemesis]

Hahahahaha!

At 0:47 in 2m3 The Wizards Pub (the 1:23 uncut version from the recording sessions) from HP1 you can hear Snowy's theme!

Yeah, it has some slight similarity.

[Tom]

Perhaps this is old news, but I noticed in the liner notes to the Williams 80th birthday cd that "The Adventures Continue" was recorded July 26th, 2011. Presumably, then, it was not part of the original recordings.

[Luke Skywalker]

is there any performance differences?

[Tom]

Sorry, my earlier post was not all that clear. The recording is exactly the same as the soundtrack. I was alluding to an earlier discussion regarding whether the piece was part of the original sheet music people had or from the pick-up recordings in July. It is clear that it is from the pick-up recordings.