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[BloodBoal]

But the question is, now: how could they introduce Calculus? If they actually do Balls/Temple for the sequel, they'll need Calculus, who plays a major part in this story (he's kind of the MacGuffin, here, really). So how can you have Calculus without Red Rackham's Treasure story? Would this mean they'll have a sort of prologue with some part of Red Rackham's Treasure to introduce the character, and then move on to Balls/Temple? Fuck that shit.

[Romão]

That could work

[eitam]

Well, I was really sceptic too when I learned that they were going for a mix of The Crab with the Golden Claws and Secret of the Unicorn for the first one, and in the end I think they pretty much nailed it. So I have faith.

[Chaac]

You can find a good new introduction but it's difficult. For example, Calculus could have been part of the expedition to Peru. He could have invented some machinery that was useful to them, or even the shark submarine for an underwater search on a lake or something. This would reinforce Calculus' friendship with the other members of the expedition. Just an idea.

However the ending of the first film is nearly implying that the underwater search of the Unicorn took place after all like in the books except they did found a treasure. Like not tinkering much with Red Rackham's Treasure but avoiding a film out of it anyway. But this only happens to those who are familiar with the books.

[Michael]

Interesting. I wonder when they'll do Moon then...

[Chaac]

I don't want to imagine the fan reaction if Tintin never went to the Moon in the movies.

[Stefancos]

We saw the rocket in the main titles. So i guess thats a no.

[Elmo Lewis]

I don't want to imagine the fan reaction if Tintin never went to the Moon in the movies.

Moon is not the fan favorite its iconic, ubiquitous design would lead one to think.

[Chaac]

But it's like... like... a Tintin film trilogy and Tintin's wildest, farthest journey isn't there. It's anticlimatic.

I was never too keen on an adaptation of the Moon adventure but my whole mentality about it suddenly changed.

[Elmo Lewis]

But it's like... like... a Tintin film trilogy and Tintin's wildest, farthest journey isn't there. It's anticlimatic.

Oh yeah, it's a shame Tintin never went to Mars to fight martians. Then we'd sure have a trilogy of wild and far journeys.

[Luke Skywalker]

Am i the only one that thinks that the 1st film ends in a way that is a closed history, but is left open not to finish the story in a second movie, but to instill us with the thirst to adventure, the spirit of adventure the tintin comics have, to read the next comic after you finish one?

If they dont make any movies it is still a contained story. We have to assume they will find the treasure.

If they make the film, im sure it will start at the treasure site and they will find the money and something in the ship that will lead to the new story.

[Chaac]

But it's like... like... a Tintin film trilogy and Tintin's wildest, farthest journey isn't there. It's anticlimatic.

Oh yeah, it's a shame Tintin never went to Mars to fight martians. Then we'd sure have a trilogy of wild and far journeys.

You totally misunderstood where I was going.

And please don't put Martians on Mars anymore. It already frustates me that people can't even draw the poor planet. The fuck, people can't even draw the Moon properly.

Tintin lives in a world where going to the Moon is a great adventure. Just like, er, RIGHT NOW. And they go there building greater technology that we ever allowed ourselves to make to go into space. That makes the idea of a Tintin Moon movie incredibly appealing. And it could very visually powerful.

[oierem]

The second movie should have nothing to do with the story about the Unicorn and the treasure. That story is over now, there is no point in showing the hunt for the rest of the treasure!
I'd love them to do 7 Balls/Prisoners of the Sun, because it's my favourite story. Calculus could easily be the last member of the expedition to Peru.

[Chaac]

I agree! That story is great. But above all it's perfect for Peter Jackson. He can play scary with the mummy, he can make long virtual helicopter shots of the Andes, hell he can easily photocopy entire sequences from the book into the film! The estructure of the books allow for a length that organically a bit longer as for a while stuff will play out as events in a journey one after another instead of interwined plot points.

[filmmusic]

I just got back from Tintin!!

Well.... hmmmmm...
It was a good film. I was not thrilled! or thought it was bad! I'm in the middle I guess.
And I wouldn't call it sooo much better than Indy IV. Actually I liked the Jungle chase from Indy more than the central chase scene here..
I don't know. I'm still stuck in the old Spileberg. Maybe because it's part of my childhood?
Considering that I would give 10 to Indiana Jones and the temple of doom which I think is a masterpiece, I would give Tintin a 6/10.
I didn't enjoy much the music too. Maybe it was due to the theater? I don't know..
Someone here said that the SFX were burried under the score.
I wouldn't say that in no way...

[Alexander]

I'm excited to see the film again tomorrow.

And in English this time! I know i will hate the flemish version after seeing the orginal one.

And yes indeed, the SFX were buried under the score.

Spielberg must have loved it a lot.

Oh by the way, they won't do a rocket to the moon movie, because in the film that adventure has already taken place.

i read that in the book.

[eitam]

And yes indeed, the SFX were buried under the score.

Then you were lucky. I sometimes had trouble hearing the score.

Oh by the way, they won't do a rocket to the moon movie, because in the film that adventure has already taken place. i read that in the book.

Which book?
In the movie we only get to see the rocket in the opening credits, as a mere reference to the audience. And I don't remember seeing an article about the moon adventure hanging on the wall of Tintin's office. So my guess is that it hasn't already happened.

[Alexander]

The book of the movie.

[eitam]

Well you need to seriously rewrite the original story to make it to the Moon without having Calculus to design the rocket..

[Stefancos]

No, because it already happened.

[filmmusic]

And yes indeed, the SFX were buried under the score.

Then you were lucky. I sometimes had trouble hearing the score.

Yeah, me too. The only way I could make out the score, is because i knew it so well from the cd.

[Luke Skywalker]

No, because it already happened.

the prologue uses imagery from almost all tintin adventures so it should not be used to predict the sequels.

Just wanted to mention one more thing about Snowy's unnatural acting.

I remembered ratatouille. Nobody cant deny the cartoony design, the humanised characters and everything. Yet when Remy is runing at 4 legs, when he is escaping from the humans, that 100% animated movement, is completely right. It looks like a real rat, the run, the sharp turns, the acrobatics... (really rats are very good at acrobatics, i had to chase one in a barn at work once...and it kept me reminding the film...).

Snowy did not show that.

I'll have to watch the film again, centered on him and watch closely what he does when he is in the background...maybe i missed something.

End...until second viewing

[Stefancos]

The book says it happened...

[Luke Skywalker]

oh...

shame.

[Stefancos]

The book also states Snowy was not meant to be 100% realistic.

[Marian Schedenig]

Saw it yesterday. I agree with everything Steef said in his review. That is, except for the MV bit. I hear no Zimmer whatsoever in this score.

[Luke Skywalker]

The book also states Snowy was not meant to be 100% realistic.

that's their lame excuse and i suppose they will shield the criticism with that for ever an ever...

I think the direction taken for snowy is wrong, i wont change..


BTW. nobody crying because snowy did not talk mentally?

In the books we can read what he thinks and in the cartoon we could hear what he thought.

Here he IS a real dog in that matter, but which does not look or move like one. ironic

[tpigeon]

Saw it yesterday. I agree with everything Steef said in his review. That is, except for the MV bit. I hear no Zimmer whatsoever in this score.

Neither do I. The Red Reckham theme more seems more like the cousin of one of Williams' own action motifs, such as the bit from the Raiders truck chase after Indy gets shot. Williams has always written these kinds of melodies.

[Faleel]

The book says it happened...

Shouldnt films stand on their own? and besides, prequels exist (Temple of Doom anyone?)

[Alexander]

Anyways they're not going to film the rocket to the moon story.

The first part of the new trailer of Tintin (with the Williams music) pretty much captures the mood of the film.

[BloodBoal]

The book says it happened...

Shouldnt films stand on their own? and besides, prequels exist (Temple of Doom anyone?)

A prequel? They would never do that. That would mean no Calculus, no Haddock, perhaps not even Thompson and Thomson (or is it Thomson and Thompson?). Just Tintin going on a lonely journey to find his true self by travelling to the moon. Some psychological drama to be expected here. WAIT! They can still shoehorn de la Lombera somewhere in there. Fuck yeah!

But seriously, how is that "book" becoming THE reference when it comes to Tintin?

[Chaac]

If I can stand the Dilophosaurus in Jurassic Park I can stand this Snowy.

[Incanus]

I just saw the film and I have to say I liked it a lot. More elaborate thoughts on the matter later. It was a great youthful adventure yarn with breathless pace and spirit of adventure.

[Josh500]

I just saw the film and I have to say I liked it a lot. More elaborate thoughts on the matter later. It was a great youthful adventure yarn with breathless pace and spirit of adventure.

Finally! Hope you enjoyed it.

Btw, did you think the music was mixed loudly enough?

If I can stand the Dilophosaurus in Jurassic Park I can stand this Snowy.

I love the Dilos! I only found it a pity that JW didn't write any music to accompany that scene where Nedry is attacked...

[mrbellamy]

If I can stand the Dilophosaurus in Jurassic Park I can stand this Snowy.

I love the Dilos! I only found it a pity that JW didn't write any music to accompany that scene where Nedry is attacked...

I'm really glad he didn't, actually. That scene is perfect without music.

[Luke Skywalker]

I rather prefer him to write wall to wall music.

And then let the director 'unuse' some tracks.

That way the film wins as we score collectors have more williams pieces!

[Quint]

Finally saw it yesterday, initial thoughts of which I've posted here: http://www.jwfan.com...ndpost&p=762931

[Percival]

According to Awards Daily, AMPAS have announced the long list of 18 animated films up for the Oscar nominations - and Tintin is there, no surprise.

http://www.awardsdai...pete-for-oscar/

[Quint]

I'll just post it here since I know Jason likes to keep Tintin stuff in its designated place:


The Adventures of Tintin: The Secret of the Unicorn.

The best Spielberg family movie since Jurassic Park. Absolutely loved it and I plan on going a second time with my bro. As of now it's a 4/5 movie, but that might rise. Parts of it are magnificent, the thing really took me by surprise: I was not expecting a Spielberg of this calibre.

I thought the look of the thing in general was simply astonishing. The characters, the world, the incidental details in the background (and foreground). It was indeed a "living world"; not in the way often used to describe Avatar, but rather the believability of this heavily stylised 'universe' feeling cannily real. Unlike the colour-splash of Cameron's alien world, Tintin's aesthetic is altogether much more down-to-earth and human. That the considerable contrast of these fascinating, 'alive' visuals vs. the cartoony, unbelievable events and set-pieces on-screen doesn't completely unravel the movie is a real achievement. Far-fetched and often ridiculous, yes, but not once was I unconvinced by any of it. The execution was outstanding.

No, my only misgiving is in the pacing of the climax, or rather it's hasty, breathless insertion into the film. A breather was definitely needed between

Spoiler

the falcon chase and the crane battle finale.

I found the lack of a little downtime between the two scenes pretty damaging to the climax on the whole, which is a shame.

A mighty shame actually, when one considers the truly phenomenal editing job by Michael Kahn before that point. He was on fire with this, and perhaps in this instance is even more deserving of contribution kudos than John Williams himself - who's score was wonderful in the film, incidentally. Sticking with Kahn though, I was seriously blown away by the pace and structure of the images and storytelling - it was a Tintin comic brought to life - Kahn (and Spielberg) effectively creating an experience akin to the brisk turning of the large pages of a Tintin adventure, the transitions between those pages taking the form of brilliantly imaginative cinematic segues and expositional sleights of hand. Amazing. The pirate battle flashback especially was Spielberg showboating - a thing he's not managed for a while.

The cast was pretty much nailed, with Bell, Serkis and Craig slipping effortlessly into their cartoon roles. I even liked Pegg and Frost as Thompson & Thomson, their little comedy slapstick silliness just about hitting the right notes without ever making eyes roll for the wrong reasons. Good casting then, but there's no real scene-stealing standout in there, which some might argue is a blemish. Nah, in this instance I just got a good sense of balance and likeability from all of the characters throughout.

As an old Tintin reader and just a fan of these sorts of yarns, I couldn't have really asked for a better movie than this.

[Stefancos]

The Captain's Council scene is between these 2 action scenes, right?