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Poll: How does John Williams's "The Adventures of Tintin" fare compared to his recent blockbuster scores? (60 member(s) have cast votes)

Which SCORE do you prefer?

  1. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (14 votes [23.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.33%

  2. The Adventures of Tintin (46 votes [76.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 76.67%

Which SCORE do you prefer?

  1. War of the Worlds (9 votes [15.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.00%

  2. The Adventures of Tintin (51 votes [85.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 85.00%

Which SCORE do you prefer?

  1. Star Wars: Episode III – Revenge of the Sith (33 votes [55.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 55.00%

  2. The Adventures of Tintin (27 votes [45.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.00%

Which SCORE do you prefer?

  1. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (45 votes [75.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 75.00%

  2. The Adventures of Tintin (15 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

Which SCORE do you prefer?

  1. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (20 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  2. The Adventures of Tintin (40 votes [66.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 66.67%

Which SCORE do you prefer?

  1. Minority Report (12 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  2. The Adventures of Tintin (48 votes [80.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 80.00%

Which SCORE do you prefer?

  1. Star Wars: Episode II – Attack of the Clones (22 votes [36.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 36.67%

  2. The Adventures of Tintin (38 votes [63.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 63.33%

Which SCORE do you prefer?

  1. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone (46 votes [76.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 76.67%

  2. The Adventures of Tintin (14 votes [23.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.33%

Which SCORE do you prefer?

  1. A.I. Artificial Intelligence (33 votes [55.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 55.00%

  2. The Adventures of Tintin (27 votes [45.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.00%

Which SCORE do you prefer?

  1. Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace (45 votes [75.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 75.00%

  2. The Adventures of Tintin (15 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 07:28 PM



I never even heard The Terminal.


Why not?


The samples did nothing for me, so i never bought it. I had the bootleg for a while but lost it when my PC crashed.

Meh....


bootleg?

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 07:29 PM

You will. This film is its score's bitch.

Unlike other music of Williams' from that time.


Okay, the movie wasn't great, but I thought it was okay.

Sometimes I think people here have only two opinions when it comes to movies: freaking awesome or freaking abysmal. I think Memoirs falls in somewhere between these 2 categories. ;)

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 07:31 PM

Memoirs was a pretty good movie

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 07:32 PM

Memoirs was a pretty good movie


Actually yeah...

The score made it pretty good. Memorable. Maybe even quite haunting. :)

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 07:33 PM

I love ziyi zhang so between that and the score I'm sure I'll be entertained. I can't believe I haven't found time to watch it come to think of it. I also can't believe the film and score are 6 years old now!
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 07:35 PM

I love ziyi zhang so between that and the score I'm sure I'll be entertained. I can't believe I haven't found time to watch it come to think of it. I also can't believe the film and score are 6 years old now!


I can't believe you didn't watch it even when it was nominated for an Oscar, and we were all 90% sure it will win THIS TIME, before our hopes were dashed ONCE AGAIN!!!

Hell, I am getting angry just thinking of it. (that it didn't win, not that you didn't see the movie :P )

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 07:35 PM


You will. This film is its score's bitch.

Unlike other music of Williams' from that time.


Okay, the movie wasn't great, but I thought it was okay.

Sometimes I think people here have only two opinions when it comes to movies: freaking awesome or freaking abysmal. I think Memoirs falls in somewhere between these 2 categories. ;)

I meant that the score takes center stage. Both in terms of storytelling and mixing.

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 07:36 PM


I meant that the score takes center stage. Both in terms of storytelling and mixing.


Oh okay. Sorry, I misunderstood you.

Yes, I agree. Perhaps the best mixed score since Jurassic Park. :)

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 07:37 PM


I love ziyi zhang so between that and the score I'm sure I'll be entertained. I can't believe I haven't found time to watch it come to think of it. I also can't believe the film and score are 6 years old now!


I can't believe you didn't watch it even when it was nominated for an Oscar, and we were all 90% sure it will win THIS TIME, before our hopes were dashed ONCE AGAIN!!!

Hell, I am getting angry just thinking of it. (that it didn't win, not that you didn't see the movie :P )


I kinda lost interest in the film score world for a while in the mid-2000s for some reason, but since 2007 or so I've been back into it and also been making sure to see more important movies
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 07:38 PM

All Tintin except POA and TPM.

Same for me.

A.I. was tough one, maybe Tintin got some extra points because its freshness...

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 07:40 PM


I kinda lost interest in the film score world for a while in the mid-2000s for some reason, but since 2007 or so I've been back into it and also been making sure to see more important movies



How about Munich? Did you see that?

Munich has become one of my all-time favorite Spielberg movies, actually.

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Okay, now it's a tie between TPM and Tintin!

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 07:40 PM

I saw Munich in the theater, yea. Only listened to that OST once as well.
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 07:42 PM

I saw Munich in the theater, yea. Only listened to that OST once as well.


The album as a whole is not Johnny's best, but I simply can't get enough of "Thoughts of Home" (and its variation "Avner and Daphna"). One of the most haunting, saddest, and at the same time most beautiful compositions by JW!

Listen to it a couple more times, and it might grow on you!

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 07:43 PM


bootleg?


Yes the Terminal bootleg.

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 07:48 PM

Better than War of the Worlds, Minority Report and CoS

About tied with KotCS (severely underestimated here) and AotC.

Less good than A.I., TPM , RotS and HP1 and 3.


Exactly this.

It does seem like Williams gave Tintin a certain amount of effort (being a Spielberg movie and all), but not too much. At least his writing does sound bored.
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 07:59 PM

Writing sounds bored?

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 08:00 PM



bootleg?


Yes the Terminal bootleg.



As in Terminal Recording Sessions with unreleased music?

Or fan made DVD rip edit

I have never heard of a Terminal bootleg until today.

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 08:01 PM

There was no recording sessions leak for The Terminal, so he's either talking about a rip of a CDR someone made him of the OST, or some kind of expanded fan edit using dvd rips.
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 08:02 PM

Well if you guys don't know then I certainly don't.

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 08:05 PM

I'm guessing it was just a straight rip of the OST. Was it a CDR someone mailed you, or did you receive it as digital files?
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 08:07 PM

MP3's.

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 08:17 PM

I think Tintin is better than KOTCS and COS, but on the other hand I like it as much as the prequels, SS and POA.
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 08:21 PM

Okay, TPM has overtaken Tintin!

Now A.I. and Tintin are tied.

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 08:25 PM

Memoirs was a pretty good movie


Just don't take it at face value:

"Memoirs of a Geisha might as well be science-fiction, because for all the insight, research, and humanity afforded this project, it comes down to exotic, imaginary creatures flitting about in a fantasy of bellum-Japan--Star Wars' cantina scene stretched to feature-length. This is exactly the tactic, in fact, that the filmmakers (and Golden) would seem to encourge: it's not history, it's that holy grail of the ignorant and callow, Just a Movie (i.e. completely meaningless, impact-less, ephemeral)." by Walter Chaw

People who actually are asians seem to puke regularly at what Hollywood has done to their history.
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 08:27 PM

It's not a fair question because none of us have heard the full score outside the film, and many (I'd even say most) haven't even watched it/heard it yet. Whereas most of us have at least had the chance to listen to the complete versions of most of the other scores (at least as part of the film). I have no idea how the unreleased music sounds, and how the score works in complete and chronological form. Therefore I can not compare it with TPM, HPSS, AI, AOTC, COS, POA, ROTS or KOTCS. So I can't vote.
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 08:28 PM

RotS, AOTC, TPM, PoA, SS are better than Tintin

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 08:29 PM

It's not a fair question because none of us have heard the full score outside the film, and many (I'd even say most) haven't even watched it/heard it yet. Whereas most of us have at least had the chance to listen to the complete versions of most of the other scores (at least as part of the film). I have no idea how the unreleased music sounds, and how the score works in complete and chronological form. Therefore I can not compare it with TPM, HPSS, AI, AOTC, COS, POA, ROTS or KOTCS. So I can't vote.



Well, folks here can vote whenever they feel they are ready...

I for one have seen the movie, and I can pretty definitely say (from my current standpoint), which scores I prefer over Tintin... or not. :)

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 08:30 PM

Ricard is right.

I'm basing this on the OST, and likely when I hear the unreleased music I'll change my mind

Like:

KotCS OST + Recording sessions leaked cues > Tintin based on OST
RotS expanded score with videogame files> Tintin based on OST
KOTCS OST and RotS OST = Tintin OST


I didn't like RotS too much based on the OSt and now I'm obsessed with getting every note from videogames

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 08:32 PM

Well, once you have seen the movie, you can changes your votes anyway.

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 08:32 PM

It's not a fair question because none of us have heard the full score outside the film, and many (I'd even say most) haven't even watched it/heard it yet. Whereas most of us have at least had the chance to listen to the complete versions of most of the other scores (at least as part of the film). I have no idea how the unreleased music sounds, and how the score works in complete and chronological form. Therefore I can not compare it with TPM, HPSS, AI, AOTC, COS, POA, ROTS or KOTCS. So I can't vote.


I have seen the movie and i cannot remember a single piece desperately crying 'Release me, i'm a well-thought out set piece shamefully omitted from the album".
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 08:38 PM

Shooting the Plane?

For me it will depend it the statements of Tintin's theme that were left off the album could have been important to add.

for the other themes , unless there's a really kick ass variation that was left off I don't think it will matter

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 08:42 PM

Of all those scores TPM, PoA and SS are the clearest superior ones. It baffles me that TPM is so close to Tintin, TPM is a better score in every respect...

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 08:46 PM

How do you quantify that?

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 08:47 PM

Shooting the Plane?


As far as i remember, it heavily utilizes already released material. This is neither POTTER I nor STAR WARS, where you had to wait only 5 minutes to find the first longer unreleased cue. You get more of the evil Sakharine theme on the ship, but well...bottlecaps, you know? :whistle:
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 08:53 PM

It's not a fair question because none of us have heard the full score outside the film, and many (I'd even say most) haven't even watched it/heard it yet. Whereas most of us have at least had the chance to listen to the complete versions of most of the other scores (at least as part of the film). I have no idea how the unreleased music sounds, and how the score works in complete and chronological form. Therefore I can not compare it with TPM, HPSS, AI, AOTC, COS, POA, ROTS or KOTCS. So I can't vote.


I have seen the movie and i cannot remember a single piece desperately crying 'Release me, i'm a well-thought out set piece shamefully omitted from the album".

It's not just about unreleased highlights (which BTW is something very subjective). It's about appreciating the score as a whole. Most of the original OSTs of the scores listed in the poll are likable but have nothing to do with the experience of listening to their respective full scores.
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 08:59 PM

It's not just about unreleased highlights (which BTW is something very subjective). It's about appreciating the score as a whole. Most of the original OSTs of the scores listed in the poll are likable but have nothing to do with the experience of listening to their respective full scores.


I'm certainly far from a "harp flourish" collector some of the more intense fans here are, but i can assure you that i certainly realize if a film is a musical bonanza filled with unreleased nuggets.

Of course, you can have a wholly different notion, but i'd wager that most will agree that it's not one of those travesties like i cited above. There is additional music, but most of it is either unsubstantial, i. e. short or uses already released material in a (very) slightly different fashion.
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 09:22 PM

ok that gives me a better idea what to expect

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Posted 01 November 2011 - 09:35 PM

There is additional music, but most of it is either unsubstantial, i. e. short or uses already released material in a (very) slightly different fashion.

Still, it would give a totally different perspective compared to the OST. Even re-arranging the OST cues in chronological order changes it (for the worst), because of the missing music.
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 11:58 PM

I'd take Tintin over all of these, except the three Potters (and Geisha, but that doesn't qualify).

The prequels do nothing for me, AotC and TPM least of all. I know, I know, they're hacked to pieces, but the source material that is available does nothing for me either, so I doubt there are many highlights that could convert me.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 01:40 AM

This is all a bit premature still, but I'd place Tintin above all except TPM and AI. I'm still not sure when comparing it with the 1st and 3rd Harry Potter, as well as ROTS
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