Haha. I just saw this thread title and I thought: It must be this awesome flute solo in the middle of the cue.The woods.
Best moment in the score.
The other of my favourite bits is the oboe solo in the penultimate sound. Warm and mysterious.
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3:08 in The Pursuit of the Falcon
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Posted 05 November 2011 - 08:19 PM
The other of my favourite bits is the oboe solo in the penultimate sound. Warm and mysterious.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 05 November 2011 - 08:40 PM
I didn't like it at first, but I've since changed my mind. It's perfectly suited to the character and I really quite like it, now.I disagree. I think it's a pure Williams theme
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Posted 05 November 2011 - 08:42 PM
It's an earworm to me.
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Posted 05 November 2011 - 08:43 PM
That's about the sum of it, yes.
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Posted 05 November 2011 - 08:50 PM
Tintin's theme is treated as if it was a tenth film in the series (not surprising, there are hints of other stories that too place before this one) The main themes of the score are Unicorn theme and Haddock's theme. Because that's what the story is really about. Tintin's theme is a glue that often drives and offers some heroism, but the heart of it all is elsewhere. Which all makes sense when you watch the film. I made to me anyway.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 05 November 2011 - 09:01 PM
I think JW was amused by this film. At least that's how it feels to me listening to this score.
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Posted 05 November 2011 - 09:03 PM
I already said that elsewhere but my first reaction was: "Where does he get so much energy from? He's 80!".
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
- Christopher Nolan
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Posted 05 November 2011 - 09:16 PM
He's no mere mortal, remember.
Seriously though, Tintin has for me reaffirmed his status as a giant among men and I worship at his alter. How he still finds within his soul such creativity and imagination is profoundly inspiring.
Seriously though, Tintin has for me reaffirmed his status as a giant among men and I worship at his alter. How he still finds within his soul such creativity and imagination is profoundly inspiring.
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Posted 05 November 2011 - 10:16 PM
My first reaction was of gratitude that John Williams still graces this world with his music. I was grinning happily through every track because of the energy, orchestral mastery and power of the music that sounds so effortless and inspiring.I already said that elsewhere but my first reaction was: "Where does he get so much energy from? He's 80!".
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Indeed. He is truly an inspiration and a musical marvel.He's no mere mortal, remember.
Seriously though, Tintin has for me reaffirmed his status a giant among men and I worship at his alter. How he still finds within his soul creativity and imagination is profoundly inspiring.
Ars superior est vita hominum.
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Posted 06 November 2011 - 11:33 AM
Another great little moment in this wonderful cue is @ 2:21, when the brass kick in a dazzling, exciting fanfare-like figure which seems like an alternate from "Desert Chase".
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"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
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Posted 06 November 2011 - 12:01 PM
Actually the best moment of the album: "The Clash of the Cranes." 0:02-0:04.
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Posted 06 November 2011 - 01:16 PM
LOL classic!
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Posted 06 November 2011 - 11:48 PM
there is always at least one.
I cant wait to find it in Warhorse
I cant wait to find it in Warhorse
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 05:57 AM
My first reaction was of gratitude that John Williams still graces this world with his music. I was grinning happily through every track because of the energy, orchestral mastery and power of the music that sounds so effortless and inspiring.
I already said that elsewhere but my first reaction was: "Where does he get so much energy from? He's 80!".
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Indeed. He is truly an inspiration and a musical marvel.He's no mere mortal, remember.
Seriously though, Tintin has for me reaffirmed his status a giant among men and I worship at his alter. How he still finds within his soul creativity and imagination is profoundly inspiring.
I always say...if the world has to come to a certain point, where John Williams passes on.....he will be the one person/celebrity, I most likely would cry about and think its the end of the world. Those Michael Jackson and Elvis people would have nothing on me that day.
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Posted 10 November 2011 - 02:28 AM
And the way it launches into the Unicorn theme after that is pure Williams magic.... I've been waiting years to hear something like this.While we're at pointing out cool moments in the score: I always really enjoy the few "synchronized" sword hits of Sir Francis at 3:35 in track 7
Totally agree. The grandest moment in the score IMO.
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Posted 10 November 2011 - 08:46 AM
I disagree. I think it's a pure Williams theme
Agreed, this is what Williams does best. Themes. Catchy, simple but with complex integrity.
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Posted 10 November 2011 - 03:41 PM
I nominate Williams for Pirates Of The Caribbean 5.
Maybe track Williams into it. If they track practically an entire movie - at least that's what PotC 4 felt like - then you may as well use John Williams.
Maybe track Williams into it. If they track practically an entire movie - at least that's what PotC 4 felt like - then you may as well use John Williams.
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Posted 11 November 2011 - 01:05 AM
if rob marshall couldnt do it... (he hired michael kahn as assistant editor no less). i doubt they would.
its not the kind of film williams is interested anyway
And we dont want him involved in that franchise...
Now, if spielberg makes pirate latitudes....
its not the kind of film williams is interested anyway
And we dont want him involved in that franchise...
Now, if spielberg makes pirate latitudes....
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Posted 12 November 2011 - 09:54 AM
The last Pirate was nothing more than a joke of a score, I thought HP with hooper was the point when film music hit rock bottom. Well...I was wrong.
I have to admit, it would be fun to hear it though
if rob marshall couldnt do it... (he hired michael kahn as assistant editor no less). i doubt they would.
its not the kind of film williams is interested anyway
And we dont want him involved in that franchise...
Now, if spielberg makes pirate latitudes....
I have to admit, it would be fun to hear it though
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Posted 12 November 2011 - 10:58 AM
Wow. Don't you think that's a bit strong? You may not like Hooper's HP scores, but come on, they are nowhere near half as bad as most MV composers scores (Ever heard of that Djawadi dude?)The last Pirate was nothing more than a joke of a score, I thought HP with hooper was the point when film music hit rock bottom.
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Posted 12 November 2011 - 01:25 PM
Once you bring the OotP cd in chronological order, it's actually a solid listen.
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Posted 12 November 2011 - 01:28 PM
Ootp is a fine, if average score.
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Posted 13 November 2011 - 09:11 AM
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Posted 15 November 2011 - 01:26 AM
Wow. Don't you think that's a bit strong? You may not like Hooper's HP scores, but come on, they are nowhere near half as bad as most MV composers scores (Ever heard of that Djawadi dude?)
The last Pirate was nothing more than a joke of a score, I thought HP with hooper was the point when film music hit rock bottom.
I agree with Salacius.
Half-Blood Prince made me lose more faith in film scores than all RC scores that year combined.
Hooper is worse than Remote Control. He is just as simplistic, but not half as entertaining. And you'd think trampling on JW's legacy was enough of a burden.
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Posted 15 November 2011 - 01:20 PM
Hooper's 2 time effort was essentially harmless. RCP is destroying the future of "real" film music.
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Posted 16 November 2011 - 12:18 AM
I agree. Hell, I prefer Hooper's OOTP score to Desplat's stuff. I like the Dumbledore's army motif. Desplat sounded more RCP to me (top of my head, see: Voldemort with the wand, end of Part I). Hooper's HBP music was mostly just, well, boring.
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