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[Incanus]

But aren't Oscar promos supposed to have excalty what's on the film now?

Yes, but not ALL the music from the film is on the promo. That is to say, all the cues included in the promo are all film versions: the mix, the edits (if any)... are all the same as in the film. Nothing is changed. The cues appear exactly as they do in the film. But promo scores still only includes a selection of cues from the film, not all of them.

I'm not sure if my explanation is clear... Well, fuck you if you don't understand. I'm not gonna explain it twice.

Yup that's about it. Now the Oscar promos can contain a selection from the score or in rarer cases the complete one. But the music is now in the form it is heard in the film, which often means that it is presented with edits and all. Tintin FYC promo contains most of the central cues from the film, many of them same as on the OST, but these are exactly as you heard them in the film, editing, tracking etc. intact.

[BloodBoal]

But aren't Oscar promos supposed to have excalty what's on the film now?

Yes, but not ALL the music from the film is on the promo. That is to say, all the cues included in the promo are all film versions: the mix, the edits (if any)... are all the same as in the film. Nothing is changed. The cues appear exactly as they do in the film. But promo scores still only includes a selection of cues from the film, not all of them.

I'm not sure if my explanation is clear... Well, fuck you if you don't understand. I'm not gonna explain it twice.

Yup that's about it. Now the Oscar promos can contain a selection from the score or in rarer cases the complete one. But the music is now in the form it is heard in the film, which often means edits and all. Tintin FYC promo contains most of the central cues from the film, many of them same as on the OST, but these are exactly as you heard them in the film, editing, tracking etc. intact.

I don't understand...

[Incanus]

I don't understand...

Oh if I got an € everytime I heard you say that Boalie.

I would have exactly 1 €.

[BloodBoal]

Hey, it's still better than $1!

[Alexander]

Sorry, there are no recording sessions files for tintin. and the Oscar promo didnt had this track either.

The only thing would be a DVDrip, with sfx all over it.

There aren't a lot of sound effects for this cue.

[king mark]

I was thinking about what might have been written instead of the tracked ending in Capturing the Plane

I think JW was going for a rousing statement of Tintin's Heroic theme because it cuts off as the theme builds up to something. Maybe a statement similar to the Indy theme when he flies off in a plane(like the beginning of ToD)

[Faleel]

or maybe, it was a crashending?

[JohnnyD]

Hey, Jason, I was curious about something?

How come the cue, TNT Escape, is not listed on here?

Also, some of the cue number marks on incorrect.

[Jason LeBlanc]

The cue where Tintin throw the TNT up to the higher deck so he can escape from the room he's in is 1m12 Introducing Haddock

What cue numbers are incorrect?

[JohnnyD]

Oh, okay, so the actual title is Introducing Haddock, rather than "TNT Escape."

Well, as Alexander pointed out, in the recording sessions footage, Introducing Haddock "is in reel 2, and 1M21b is actually 3m21b (the reel numbers are on the monitors)."

[Jason LeBlanc]

The slate numbers changed at some point. We have sheet music for 1m21b that says 1m21b on it in Williams handwriting.

[JohnnyD]

Oh, awesome!

By the way, when are you gonna revisit the analysis you started on Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones?

And War of the Worlds?

Oh, and when will you revisit the analysis on The Adventures of Tintin, and the analysis on War Horse?

[Jason LeBlanc]

When I have time. War Horse is very close to being finished, it'll be first

[Incanus]

When I have time. War Horse is very close to being finished, it'll be first

Cool!

[Alexander]

I was thinking about what might have been written instead of the tracked ending in Capturing the Plane

I think JW was going for a rousing statement of Tintin's Heroic theme because it cuts off as the theme builds up to something. Maybe a statement similar to the Indy theme when he flies off in a plane(like the beginning of ToD)

I don't think that there was anything.

[Incanus]

The film version of Capturing the Plane has left me wondering was the shot of the ship added later which then necessitated the tracking of Sakharine's motif from Escape from Karaboudjan and the original piece just ended with a slightly ominous rumble for the approaching storm clouds.

[BloodBoal]

As KM once said, the original cue probably ended with a big, bold and bombastic statement of Tintin's theme, with choir. Then, Spielberg decided it was a bit too much, and tracked Escape From The Karaboudjan instead.
All the shots were there. None was added.

[Incanus]

What will make you take anything not Zelda games and music and Andy Price's Robin Hood related seriously? Honestly BloodBoal. Some decorum and dignity is required to converse of these things. None of that funny business of yours here, thank you.

[BloodBoal]

Well.. maybe if we had... I don't know... The cue sheet, or something... we could... you know, find out what was originally planned...

[Chaac]

There, there.

[Incanus]

Well.. maybe if we had... I don't know... The cue sheet, or something... we could... you know, find out what was originally planned...

Now that's the spirit! When in doubt BloodBoal always use that kind of language, suppositions, guesses etc. Don't go boasting about fanfares and choirs if you do not know that for a fact. So think all who live to see such times. But less crying emoticons next time perhaps, you are taking this way too hard even though film cue detective work is serious business.

[Chaac]

Film cue detective work makes grown men cry.

[Incanus]

Either BloodBoal is really in touch with his emotions and can admit that in full view of the forum or he is just a kid lost in a grown men's harsh unreal world of internet film music analysis. Either way his reaction is making me tear up a bit.

[BloodBoal]

Don't go boasting about fanfares and choirs if you do not know that for a fact.

Second paragraph

[Incanus]

Oh no BloodBoal! After you posted that, the choir's site has removed the 2nd paragraph! It must have been some kind of secret contractual thing and now they must go underground since you blew their clandestine Hollywood connection! They will be hunted and persecuted and executed and prosecuted and not in that order but anyway they are in trouble because you blew the whistle!

[alicebrallice]

Either BloodBoal is really in touch with his emotions and can admit that in full view of the forum or he is just a kid lost in a grown men's harsh unreal world of internet film music analysis. Either way his reaction is making me tear up a bit.

now kiss!

[Incanus]

Ewwww! Alice how could you?! I mean really! This is a serious thread and you keep trying to derail it with all kind of making up making out. Just ewwww!

[BloodBoal]

Either BloodBoal is really in touch with his emotions and can admit that in full view of the forum or he is just a kid lost in a grown men's harsh unreal world of internet film music analysis. Either way his reaction is making me tear up a bit.

now kiss!

A few years back, this could have been enough to ban you forever from the forum. You're lucky rules have changed.

I'll never kiss Incanus. Never, ever. I mean, he's handsome, and he has gorgeous muscles... And he has a soft skin... And his moustache... No... No way I'll ever kiss him!


But back on topic, please! About Capturing The Plane: all seems to indicate the cue should end with a Tintin's theme statement (honestly!). This cue is one (more or less) long build-up to something... Something we don't get the chance to hear! Spielberg probably decided to track Sakharine's motif to remind the audience that this character is still there, looking for the scrolls.

[Incanus]

From this point of view it is a shame the FYC album contained music as heard in the film since it would have been great to hear the pieces as written, not including all the micro edits and tracking. Capturing the Plane in particular seems to crescendo towards something terrific only to be cut short by that tracked segment.

[Chaac]

This score is shred to pieces. I'm convinced such a thing can affect quite a bit people's opinions.

[BloodBoal]

This score is shred to pieces.

I disagree. Apart from this cue, Clash Of The Cranes, and maybe one or two other cues, it was pretty much untouched in the final film.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Wrong.

[BloodBoal]

Alright, alright. Spielberg has messed with this score, the harsh way. But is it really on a SW prequels level? I don't think so.

[Jason LeBlanc]

The reason Tintin might not SEEM too messed up is because the OST retained a lot of the editing done for the final film. But when the compare the final results to the sheet music its a clustercuddle

[Incanus]

Ah so Williams original intentions VS what ended up in the film were vastly different? It is interesting to note that 20 years ago we would have been so much happier with what we had because these days all this "in the process" and behind the scenes knowledge of these scores down to the sheet music gives us a vastly different picture of film scoring and scores.

[Jason LeBlanc]

No I'm just talking about microediting and tracking and stuff. The OST literally has tracked music in it (the openings of tracks 5 and 8)

[Incanus]

No I'm just talking about microediting and tracking and stuff. The OST literally has tracked music in it (the openings of tracks 5 and 8)

But do we have knowledge of the final music as written for the last version of the film or is this based on how Williams originally conceived things? He might have in revising material either placed some sections elsewhere or written something very similar for another scene later. Naturally it is possible to deduce what has been changed in any given cue when you compare the sheet music from earlier cut to the music in the final one.

Btw is the version of Thompsons' Theme heard on track 4 Introducing the Thompsons and Snowy's Chase originally meant for that scene or another case of tracking on the album?

[Michael]

Btw is the version of Thompsons' Theme heard on track 4 Introducing the Thompsons and Snowy's Chase originally meant for that scene or another case of tracking on the album?

It was probably for the deleted scene where the Thompsons are walking in the market and get their canes stuck with each other while they walk around.

[Jason LeBlanc]

I wish Spielberg put deleted scenes on his dvds/blu rays The footage of them filming that scene is hilarious!

[Incanus]

Yeah Spielberg quite rarely releases any deleted scenes from his films on DVD or Blu-rays. Even though he seems to believe in ecomonic shoots, meaning that all or at least most the scenes shot usually end up in the film, I am sure there is deleted/unused material for most of his films. Plus those recording sessions videos he does. I would love to get my hands on those.