Am i the only one who hears the words "paddycake, paddycake, bakerman" when listening to Hook's Theme?
Hook's Theme
Started by Stefancos, Nov 29 2011 10:54 AM
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 10:54 AM
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 10:58 AM
Nope.
But I am not one of them.
But I am not one of them.
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 11:00 AM
Well now I will, thanks for that.
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 11:39 AM
Am i the only one who hears the words "paddycake, paddycake, bakerman" when listening to Hook's Theme?
I don't even know what that means. Is it a nursery rhyme of some sort?
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:58 PM
Now I get it... Stefan's post means that LLL is surely working on an expanded Hook release!
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"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 01:30 PM
Yeah, right! 
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 07:35 PM
Unfortunately Good Musician pointed this out to me a long time ago... and haven't been able to hear the theme the same again since! Thanks GM! 
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It actually does make it a bit more amusing though. I'm sure it was done intentionally to give him a sort of nursery rhyme/childlike feel since he is such a cartooney villain that comes from a story himself, even within the context of the film. But of course Williams is able to interpret it on various levels going from jaunty to even a bit intense and scary whenever he wants. Love it.
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It actually does make it a bit more amusing though. I'm sure it was done intentionally to give him a sort of nursery rhyme/childlike feel since he is such a cartooney villain that comes from a story himself, even within the context of the film. But of course Williams is able to interpret it on various levels going from jaunty to even a bit intense and scary whenever he wants. Love it.
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 07:59 PM
The melody of Hook's Theme is taken from one of the songs Williams and Briscusse wrote for the aborted Peter Pan Musical called "Stick With Me". The lyrics of that song would be what words can be "sung along" with the theme, not this paddycake nonsense
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 08:09 PM
The melody of Hook's Theme is taken from one of the songs Williams and Briscusse wrote for the aborted Peter Pan Musical called "Stick With Me". The lyrics of that song would be what words should be "sung along" with the theme, not this paddycake nonsense
Where did you find this information?
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 08:40 PM
Just a theory I have. I could be wrong.
Don't forget the melody that makes up the main theme (aka Wendy's Theme aka The Neverland Theme) can be song along to the song "Childhood" from the aborted Williams/Briscusse musical
Don't forget the melody that makes up the main theme (aka Wendy's Theme aka The Neverland Theme) can be song along to the song "Childhood" from the aborted Williams/Briscusse musical
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Posted 29 November 2011 - 09:31 PM
Now I get it... Stefan's post means that LLL is surely working on an expanded Hook release!
What? i can't listen to the Concorde release without making a fuss?
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 12:05 AM
I consider that the pirate theme (or it's a secondary Hook theme). The theme I associate more with Hook is the one in Hook-napped on the album. That's a pretty major appearance. You hear it when you first see him in the movie.
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 12:20 AM
You know, when I first heard this theme I thought it sounded familiar somehow, I wonder if that as it.
But how do you know the song names?Just a theory I have. I could be wrong.
Don't forget the melody that makes up the main theme (aka Wendy's Theme aka The Neverland Theme) can be song along to the song "Childhood" from the aborted Williams/Briscusse musical
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 12:25 AM
Just more LeBlanc bullshit - sorry, theories.
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 12:29 AM
I'm sorry, what?
The lyrics to "Childhood" were published in a book and John Takis got Demi Fragale to sing them to an edit of "Remembering Childhood", which he recorded. There's a thread about it here:
http://www.jwfan.com...showtopic=17002
And another one here:
http://www.jwfan.com...?showtopic=6013
How do you people not know this stuff?
The lyrics to "Childhood" were published in a book and John Takis got Demi Fragale to sing them to an edit of "Remembering Childhood", which he recorded. There's a thread about it here:
http://www.jwfan.com...showtopic=17002
And another one here:
http://www.jwfan.com...?showtopic=6013
How do you people not know this stuff?
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 01:30 AM
Oh wow, I don't know how I missed that.
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 01:54 AM
I lost that MP3
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 04:00 AM
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 04:33 AM
I knew about "Childhood," but what about "Stick With Me"?
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 04:46 AM
I have no idea what the lyrics are, and have no idea if anyone has ever recorded them if they are even out there
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 06:46 AM
I've been wondering about that recording! Jason...all the more reason you should turn this sites wealth of knowledge into a database instead of a loosely understood knowledge base on the forum ;-)
Also, the theme that Stefancos is talking about is Hook's theme... not the songs you were talking about. The two songs you were talking about are, yes, from an aborted musical that Williams and Leslie Briccuse were working on along with Tink's theme if I recall right. But again, what he means is the actual theme for Hook himself.
I hear Paddy-Cake, Paddy-Cake every time I hear it lol... and yes, Sorry Derrick for destroying that for you lol
PS: Couldn't they have found someone else to sing it and mix that aborted song better lol... it's so ear splitting. I had to remix it just so I could listen to it lol Although the editing is top notch. I never noticed until I was remixing it that there was a middle section slowed down slightly to even out the tempo. I couldn't find the ending used so I had to mix the original recording with something to mock the ending.
Also, the theme that Stefancos is talking about is Hook's theme... not the songs you were talking about. The two songs you were talking about are, yes, from an aborted musical that Williams and Leslie Briccuse were working on along with Tink's theme if I recall right. But again, what he means is the actual theme for Hook himself.
I hear Paddy-Cake, Paddy-Cake every time I hear it lol... and yes, Sorry Derrick for destroying that for you lol
PS: Couldn't they have found someone else to sing it and mix that aborted song better lol... it's so ear splitting. I had to remix it just so I could listen to it lol Although the editing is top notch. I never noticed until I was remixing it that there was a middle section slowed down slightly to even out the tempo. I couldn't find the ending used so I had to mix the original recording with something to mock the ending.
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 07:42 AM
You people are killing me
Yes, I know that song but do you by any chance know Jason in what book the lyrics were published?
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 01:47 PM
Sadly, I do not know in what book the lyrics were published 
John Takis should know, as he is the one who made that recording!
John Takis should know, as he is the one who made that recording!
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 02:33 PM
Woohoo, I ignored that song do exist on YouTube !!!
Thank you Jason !
Thank you Jason !
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 07:14 PM
"The Leslie Bricusse Songbook."
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Posted 30 November 2011 - 08:16 PM
"The Leslie Bricusse Songbook."
Oh, thank you very much for the info..
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