Shore did his duties well, and certainly almost killed himself several times to keep up with Jackson, but often enough his dramatic instincts seem not sharp enough, almost muddled in sturdy orchestrations and a general feeling of dread and slowness to everything he scores.
Yes, qualities which quite possibly played a significant part in Jackson's desire to have Shore score the films. Fellowship in particular benefits greatly from Shore's brooding style. I think he lent the film a very real sense of doom and foreboding (as Tolkien's writing instilled in the reader) - a serious accomplishment on Shore's part. Indeed, I found the score during Frodo and Gandalf's conversation beside the hobbit hole fire to be quite terrifying.
Shore's style was perfectly suited to the material; in a way which I'm not sure Williams' own style would have been.
Shore's style was perfectly suited to the material; in a way which I'm not sure Williams' own style would have been.
Yes it was.
But don't forget how JW comes up with stuff like the Ark theme or the darker parts of A.I. or War Horse or the mysterious and grand opening cues of E.T. or Approaching the Stones or these moments of impending doom in War of the Worlds and etc etc etc. Hell, I can almost imagine Mordor sounding like some parts of Close Encounters.
After all, weren't many people here wondering how awesome would a JW score be to that rumoured Moses film?
The diference here is that we don't know how much time and attention to detail JW could have had, or even wanted to have. Even though JW might have really ejoyed writing for such a film. Which is what we can surely say about Shore: the guy really cared. If you use massive choral sections singing in Middle-Earth languajes in an ominuous manner you have my approval
I was thinking on taking scenes from LotR and putting certain JW music to them to see what turned out.
If JW were to craft an original score for LOTR, we can have a debate whether it matches up to Shore's work or excels it. But slapping on some Williams track to LOTR footage is certainly not going to be equally good to Shore's magnum opus, let alone better!!!
I'm not making any statements about whether JW's LotR would be better than Shore's LotR, because I honestly don't know.
But I'm not sure where you people are deciding that Shore's work was incredibly restrained. Like some of Williams' work (ie War Horse), it contains very accessible and bombastic melodies that are made even better by the use of subtleties (thematic connections, instrumental variety, etc.). You can have your cake and eat it too - you can craft uber-emotional epic cues that also stimulate the brain (enough to warrant volumes of liner notes and a book). That's how Shore approached it. That's also how Williams would've approached it, if every post-1960s Williams fantasy blockbuster is any indication.
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Posted 01 January 2012 - 02:32 AM
Williams would have written excellent scores and possibly be 'flawed masterpieces' as his recent masterpieces are called...
But as Stefan said, his status and comittments would not have let him write the scores with as much effort and time as shore did.
Maybe in the 70's when he was known but had yet to write his better scores he could have been free enough to write wonders commiting himself fully to the project. But maybe he would have not sided with spielberg..and we would have lost more than 20 great soundtracks...
Speculation....
I hope Episode III is Called 'Revenge of the Sith'
If JW were to craft an original score for LOTR, we can have a debate whether it matches up to Shore's work or excels it. But slapping on some Williams track to LOTR footage is certainly not going to be equally good to Shore's magnum opus, let alone better!!!
Of course, I didn't mean that, that JW music is JW music thought for something else.
Oh, I know. I wasn't picking on you Its just hornist's initial comment suggested that any JW track slapped onto LOTR would work better than Shore's work did. Which I felt was wrong
I’m not going to say which stories have been chosen for Peter Jackson’s sequel because Peter and I agreed that we weren’t going to let that information out yet. The script is now being written. It’s more than one book, but it’s not three books, so that means it’s two books. It’s two and a half books that we’re combining with The Secret of the Unicorn. And Peter will start working on the film this year. When he’s done shooting The Hobbit, he’ll begin his performance capture work with the actors later in 2012, which I’m very excited about. And of course, I’m hoping I’ll be able to direct the third one. I’d love to do the third one because I had so much fun on the first one.
Oh wow, so Spielberg wants to do the third one. That seems to make it more likely that Williams will score the 2nd. He's never re-entered a franchise after leaving it, so he may just decide to stay onboard with Tintin 2 if he knows he'll be scoring Tintin 3. And I'm sure the studio won't deny Spielberg a chance to direct if he really wants it.,
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I seriously think we'll still have a sequel. Tintin was successful enough (although financially disappointing)...maybe its just me and my hopes for the franchise.
They had planned a trilogy from the beginning. I'm sure if the movie bombed they'd rethink it, but my guess is all it had to be was decently successful. Luckily it was much more that decently successful.
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 05:20 AM
My guess is that there will be a sequel. But it is probably in the early stages of production so there is no news of it yet. I seem to remember reading that they had already started working on the script.
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My guess is that there will be a sequel. But it is probably in the early stages of production so there is no news of it yet. I seem to remember reading that they had already started working on the script.
There is news. They have already finished the script.
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 09:03 AM
My guess is that there will be a sequel. But it is probably in the early stages of production so there is no news of it yet. I seem to remember reading that they had already started working on the script.
There is news. They have already finished the script.
Probably not about crystal balls.
I really hope that JW gets to score it.
Indeed. I can't wait for him to "finish" Tintin's main theme.
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"We pop out and come into the world and music is there. We didn't invent it - it's all organised in the atmosphere by divinity or whatever. It's a miracle." - John Williams-
I think music is a stream of some kind. It could be blood. It could be water. It could be ether. Whatever it is it seems to be a living, organic force that’s in motion, that serves humanity and is part of humanity and part of what describes us as humans. We sing, play, dance, all the things that we do. And there is a vibrant and great literature we have been given. ... As musicians, we join the stream. We swim in the stream with all the other millions of music makers. It’s a life force, a strong one, surrounding us and we are part of it. -John Williams-
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Posted 01 April 2012 - 10:04 AM
Does that mean that there'll be a sequel to my review?
Mmmm...
You are such a humble man. And subtle. Without a doubt.
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"We pop out and come into the world and music is there. We didn't invent it - it's all organised in the atmosphere by divinity or whatever. It's a miracle." - John Williams-
I think music is a stream of some kind. It could be blood. It could be water. It could be ether. Whatever it is it seems to be a living, organic force that’s in motion, that serves humanity and is part of humanity and part of what describes us as humans. We sing, play, dance, all the things that we do. And there is a vibrant and great literature we have been given. ... As musicians, we join the stream. We swim in the stream with all the other millions of music makers. It’s a life force, a strong one, surrounding us and we are part of it. -John Williams-
So, any chance of the sequel being made? I really hope so. Nothing listed on IMDB yet though.
Oh, I am pretty confident we'll have a sequel. In fact, I am all but positive. The only thing I am not sure about is whether JW will score the first sequel when it's directed by Peter Jackson! I sure hope so! Think of all the possibilities: a concert piece for Tintin's theme (and if not, then many many other renditions of this theme, orchestrated differently), an expanded Snowy's and Haddock's theme, Rastapopoulos's theme...
This is the latest we know, although nothing's official yet, of course:
In December 2011, Spielberg confirmed a sequel to his 3D movie will be made and said the book to adapt had been chosen.He explained the Thompson detectives will "have a much bigger role". The sequel will be produced by Spielberg and directed by Jackson.Kathleen Kennedy said the script might be done by February or March 2012 and motion-captured in summer 2012, so that the movie will be on track to be released on either Christmas 2014 or summer 2015. In February 2012, Spielberg revealed to Total Film that they had completed a story outline for the sequel. He also said that the film will be based on two books.
I seriously think we'll still have a sequel. Tintin was successful enough (although financially disappointing)...maybe its just me and my hopes for the franchise.
You kidding? It was a major success!
----------------------- By the way, question to you guys!
Now that we all know JW's score to Tintin, how does his music compare to this? Did JW exceed this? Which do you prefer, and why?
They both capture Tintin's character quite well, but in marked different ways!
Don't you rememeber the whole "iconic theme" discussion we all had? It almost led to a war between JWFANers. Things got really ugly when talking about this theme!
Don't you rememeber the whole "iconic theme" discussion we all had? It almost led to a war between JWFANers. Things got really ugly when talking about this theme!
So, has there been any word on whose going to score this one? JW? Howard Shore? James Newton Howard? I'm going with the usual Peter Jackson suspects here and including JW, since he scored the first one.
Thoughts?
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2013? Good.
That gives me enough time to see Secret Of The Unicorn.
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I don't want to have to start using acronyms for Secret of the Unicorn or Prisoners of the Sun. It's much easier to just refer to it as Tintin.
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If the option is another Tintin score for JW or an extra few months with no new JW releases, I'll easily take the former. But if the choices are a brand new score by JW or a Tintin sequel score, I'll easily take the former. Of the two possibilities, I think it'll be the former.
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