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Posted 22 January 2012 - 02:25 PM

I think Williams has proven he can conduct his own music the best.


Gerhardt's Star Wars is better than Williams'. :)

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 02:29 PM

That's debatable to say the least.
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Posted 22 January 2012 - 02:45 PM

I enjoy Erich Kunzel's version of the SpaceCamp end credits more than the original. It sounds even more Williamsy than Williams' own conducted version.

I think Gerhardt's Star Wars and especially Empire Strikes Back live up to Williams' original scores. This is true of the Utah Symphony Star Wars Trilogy as well. I personally wouldn't say they're better, but they're actually worth a damn. Feel free to disregard most other recordings.
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Posted 22 January 2012 - 03:42 PM

I think Charles Gerhardt's recordings have come really close to John, especially his ROTJ.

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 05:33 PM

That's debatable to say the least.


Of course it is. And as a strong believer in the reinterpretability of orchestral music (or any other kind of music that doesn't rely on so much post production that it cannot be performed live), I generally like the fact that different performances and recordings can have different strengths. Especially in the case of film music, where the (too) sacred original recording is fueled but at the same time limited by the timings of the film. Few so-called re-recordings, especially by different artists than the OST, can match the original recording, but I attribute that mostly to budgetary confines.

That said, the thing that always astounds me about Gerhardt's Star Wars (the first one; I find ROTJ very good but not up to this, and I've always found his ESB rather weak) is that it's very faithful to the original yet manages to combine that with the atmosphere and indulgence of a concert performance. The sweeping parts of the score have never sounded quite as sweeping elsewhere.

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 06:34 PM

I agree about Kunzel's SpaceCamp. I also think his Theme from the Lost World is superior to Williams', although I haven't heard Williams conduct that specific arrangement. It could also be that the orchestra is better.
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Posted 22 January 2012 - 09:57 PM

Now That version is MUCH too fast.

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 10:02 PM

Kunzels Lost World theme lacks some instruments and is played too fast. There sadly is no real good high quality recording of Williams Lost World concert arrangement...

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 10:03 PM

Sadly there is no real good high quality recording of Williams Lost World concert arrangement...

Well.....I wouldnt say that....

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 10:08 PM

But it is true. The best high quality arrangement i know of is from a spanish concert and its not bad but far from Williams own conducted version he did with the LSO (which sadly only exists in extremely crappy, ear hurting quality).

What would i give if someone had this LSO version of the Lost World theme in high quality...

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 10:11 PM

And pretty much every Williams-conducted "Theme from Jurassic Park" since has been too fast.


I prefer it that way, I get bored less quickly.
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Posted 22 January 2012 - 10:14 PM

The Kunzel versions mentioned are punchier. I think it's that Kunzel wanted them faster and more energetic.
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Posted 22 January 2012 - 10:15 PM


Another recent Williams compilation by the Cottbus Philharmonic:

http://www.amazon.co...WY8/ref=mb_oe_o


Nice (little odd though) to see a lot of HP.CoS Tracks on there.Are those HalLeonard Signature Editions? Could the be any different than the OST Tracks? Also nice to have an alternate recording of the Liberty Fanfare.


Most likely they are the Signature Editions. Every single piece on the compilation is also available as a published score in the SE series. Flying Theme for sure (the SE score has glockenspiel parts accidentally written into the harp/piano parts instead, and the flute solo near the end of the piece is changed to piccolo - exactly as played on this album).

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 10:19 PM

The Kunzel versions mentioned are punchier. I think it's that Kunzel wanted them faster and more energetic.


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Posted 22 January 2012 - 10:19 PM

I really like Zubin Mehta's Close Encounters.
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 03:21 PM



Another recent Williams compilation by the Cottbus Philharmonic:

http://www.amazon.co...WY8/ref=mb_oe_o


Nice (little odd though) to see a lot of HP.CoS Tracks on there.Are those HalLeonard Signature Editions? Could the be any different than the OST Tracks? Also nice to have an alternate recording of the Liberty Fanfare.


Most likely they are the Signature Editions. Every single piece on the compilation is also available as a published score in the SE series. Flying Theme for sure (the SE score has glockenspiel parts accidentally written into the harp/piano parts instead, and the flute solo near the end of the piece is changed to piccolo - exactly as played on this album).



ive noticed that about the SE scores. "The Mission" has four measures missing at the very end, which i find strange. sometimes i see him use the SE scores during concerts minues all the mistakes and alterations of course
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 04:17 PM

Sadly, it's been known that the Signature editions have occasional errors. When Williams did his Bassoon Concerto "Five Sacred Trees" with the Chicago Symphony, he and the soloist, who was using the Signature edition score, uncovered a number of errors, and the scores were recalled by Hal Leonard.
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 07:03 PM

Sadly, it's been known that the Signature editions have occasional errors. When Williams did his Bassoon Concerto "Five Sacred Trees" with the Chicago Symphony, he and the soloist, who was using the Signature edition score, uncovered a number of errors, and the scores were recalled by Hal Leonard.


strange isnt it, that there would be SO many mistakes in scores, especially published by Hal Leonard. They are supposed to check those things meticulously.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 07:04 PM

also Miguel, do you know his shoe size?


I know, but he told it to me in secret, so I'm really not in liberty to discuss it :D
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 07:41 PM

do you go to all of his concerts?
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 07:53 PM

do you go to all of his concerts?


Haven't had the honor so far, don't think I'll ever have.
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Posted 23 January 2012 - 10:18 PM

I notice that track 05, Adventures on Earth from E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial (9:47) shares the exact duration of the track from 'The Spielberg/Williams Collaboration' album released by SONY in 1991, so I'd guess it's the same track.

Which is a shame because IMO this was a disappointing rendition, with timing all over the place. Out of interest, would anyone know if this Adventures On Earth concert arrangement was put to disc elsewhere?

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 03:38 PM

In the year the CD is supposed to die, this is one that deserves a quick painful death.
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Posted 24 January 2012 - 10:55 PM

In the year the CD is supposed to die, this is one that deserves a quick painful death.


thoought this was a fan page....?

also im sure im wrong about this....but how can sony just rehash everything? they dont own all of those recordings, and sabrina has only been recorded once, unless they use the pearlman version
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Posted 24 January 2012 - 11:08 PM

I personally wasn't expecting anything timed with Williams' 80th birthday. Maybe a cake from the Boston Pops, but not CD releases.
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Posted 24 January 2012 - 11:23 PM

I personally wasn't expecting anything timed with Williams' 80th birthday. Maybe a cake from the Boston Pops, but not CD releases.


I was expecting something, but wasnt sure. I know hes a real hot item with the pops this year

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 08:14 PM

from the amazon site (also update with picture):
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In honor of the 80th Birthday of one of America's most distinctive and beloved musical voices, Sony Classical is proud to announce the release of John Williams A Celebration! An 80th Birthday Tribute. With instantly recognizable themes from some of the biggest movie blockbusters in recent memory, the album is a celebration of John Williams' stellar career. The collection is hand-picked by Williams and contains his personal favorites from film and television music, concert works and festive occasion pieces. Of special note is the previously unreleased recording of Williams' joyous "Happy Birthday Variations."

In a career spanning almost six decades, John Williams has composed some of the most popular film scores in the history of motion pictures; the Star Wars series, Jaws, the Indiana Jones films, E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial, Schindler's List, the first three Harry Potter films and many more. Winner of twenty-one Grammy® Awards, four Golden Globe awards and five Academy Awards®, Williams is easily the most successful composer working in film today. Starting with the theme from Jaws through his latest score for the critically acclaimed War Horse, John Williams A Celebration! An 80th Birthday Tribute is a collection of brilliant music from one of America's most brilliant composers.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 08:49 PM

Oh, cool to see a list of some of John Williams' personal favorites. I'm sure commercial factors were also a factor in making the track list, so I wouldn't consider this a definitive list of JW's favorites, but I think we can say that JW is particularly proud of everything on this CD.
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Posted 28 January 2012 - 10:23 PM

Of special note is the previously unreleased recording of Williams' joyous "Happy Birthday Variations."



These guys are funny .Buy his c.d.! It contains ONE track you don't already have!

And then they wonder why people pirate stuff.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 11:38 AM

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"It's still baffling to me. I sit down with a pencil and a piece of paper and do my best... The remarkable thing is that my music is heard by billions of people." --John Williams

"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 11:50 AM

Someone likes his picture while conducting the Chicago Symphony...
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Posted 29 January 2012 - 01:33 PM

I think I was among the audience when that picture was taken in 2007 :)
"It's still baffling to me. I sit down with a pencil and a piece of paper and do my best... The remarkable thing is that my music is heard by billions of people." --John Williams

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 01:36 PM


Of special note is the previously unreleased recording of Williams' joyous "Happy Birthday Variations."



These guys are funny .Buy his c.d.! It contains ONE track you don't already have!

And then they wonder why people pirate stuff.

Well, while that description is a bit disconcerting, I'm holding out hope that Mutt and Harry Potter will be different recordings.
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Posted 29 January 2012 - 01:40 PM



Of special note is the previously unreleased recording of Williams' joyous "Happy Birthday Variations."



These guys are funny .Buy his c.d.! It contains ONE track you don't already have!

And then they wonder why people pirate stuff.

Well, while that description is a bit disconcerting, I'm holding out hope that Mutt and Harry Potter will be different recordings.


Well the tracktimes iof each of these tracks is exactly the same as the Soundtracks Versions (allthough, they were released by different labels)
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Posted 29 January 2012 - 01:42 PM

True, true. I'm not familiar with the Chicago recordings. When I've heard these pieces live, they've been pretty close to the album versions.
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 03:07 PM

JW on piano, Seiji Ozawa conducting. Very nice.



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Wow! I am seeing this for the first time too! I am impressed. :blink:

Did JW play this theme on the OS album, as well? Anybody know?

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 03:50 PM

Williams played the opening piano part on the soundtrack, as you see aerial footage of Long Island.
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 03:51 PM

Williams played the opening piano part on the soundtrack, as you see aerial footage of Long Island.


The first and last tracks on the OS album too?

I don't think those are the same recordings as the one you hear at the beginning of the movie...

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 03:52 PM

Yes, it should be JW on the OST as well. It was reported on a Boston Globe interview back then, if I remember well.
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 03:53 PM

Great!

Although in that case I am inclined to believe that the orchestra and the piano were recorded separately and mixed later on... For if JW was playing the piano, who was conducting the orchestra?





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