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#321 Jeff

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 08:09 PM

JW's loss was not unexpected, but still disappointing.

War Horse is one of the most beautiful scores I've heard in years. I can't say anything against the Artist, since I haven't seen it or heard the score, but JW definitely earned his nominations this year.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 08:31 PM

I personally am not disappointed with the Oscar winner for Best Score.

The thing is, we all know how great Williams' music is, but there really is nothing in either War Horse or Tintin that is all that new or innovative.

They are Williams on great, standard form as far as I can tell. Of course, that is fantastic, and a high bar for any composer to reach.

But The Artist would die completely without the score it had. It's a silent movie, and the score was so much a part of what made it what it was, in a way no other score this year could possibly claim.

As great as Williams is, The Artist was something quite special.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 08:41 PM

Whatever people think of The Artist (film and score), I'm glad Dujardin got the Oscar for Best Actor. Well deserved. At least, they got that right.


That Oscar belonged to Gary Oldman....

As many have said, Williams loss was expected but still disappointing. But Bource's score was great and I admire the class that Bource displayed. Personally thanking and shaking the hands of his fellow nominees, his humility was touching. I respect Bource and would be very happy with his win if he hadn't stolen it from the maestro...

But still, I'm happy for Bource. Congratulations.

I think the big events at the Oscars tonight was the fact that Plummer won his first Oscar and Streep won her first one in 30 years (no more tiring comedic jabs at her lack of wins). Other than that, everything was terribly predictable, but still a fun watch (as always for me). It was certainly not as dull as last year, although Billy Crystal seemed quite restrained this year.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 08:43 PM

While I tend to agree that War Horse and Tintin are not all that original in William's canon, either (particularly Warhorse) was as deserving an Oscar as any other because non of their antecedents won an Oscar either. It seems disingenious to say Warhorse is undeserving since it sounds a bit like Far and Away, given the the latter did not win either. War Horse does not sound all that much like Williams's other Oscar wins and neither does Tintin, though maybe ET is a distant relative.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 08:49 PM

@OneBuckFilms

I don't doubt that what you're saying is true, but to use a sports analogy, even though you may acknowledge that the other team deserves it more, you're still disappointed when your team loses the Super Bowl or the World Cup or whatever.

As a JW fan, I feel like John Williams is my "team" and I will always root for him to win.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 09:29 PM


Whatever people think of The Artist (film and score), I'm glad Dujardin got the Oscar for Best Actor. Well deserved. At least, they got that right.


That Oscar belonged to Gary Oldman....


If Dujardin didn't win, it would have been Clowney winning. I wouldn't have mind Oldman winning, but it was a Jean Vs George duel from the very beginning, and I'm glad Dujardin was the one taking the Oscar.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 09:58 PM



War Horse wasnt snubbed if you ask me, it wasnt that great of a film.

Only the score and cinematography were really exceptional. I do think the score deserved to win but after finally seeing Hugo last night I cannot argue with it winning for cinematography. War Horse's cinematography was excellent but Hugo's was really, really, REALLY excellent. The entire film was a joy to watch from the first frame to the last.

You obviously haven't seen The Tree Of Life.


I haven't seen The Tree Of Life yet, but I definitely want to. I'm only speaking of the films I *have* seen, and out of the two I mentioned, I preferred Hugo's cinematography to War Horse's. But both were very good.


You DO NOT want to see "The Tree of Life." Trust me. You have been warned. If you thought a movie like "Mullholland Drive" was disjointed and "out there," this one will be a true head-scratcher, especially when you get to the 30-minute mark. The cinematography was nice, but I wasn't sure why half the shots on screen were being shown.



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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:01 PM

I *LOVE* Mulholland Dr. The best movie of 2001!

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:02 PM



Whatever people think of The Artist (film and score), I'm glad Dujardin got the Oscar for Best Actor. Well deserved. At least, they got that right.


That Oscar belonged to Gary Oldman....


If Dujardin didn't win, it would have been Clowney winning. I wouldn't have mind Oldman winning, but it was a Jean Vs George duel from the very beginning, and I'm glad Dujardin was the one taking the Oscar.


Fair enough. I thought Clooney was going to take it home this year, but I would prefer Dujardin over Clooney though. But the fact is Oldman deserved that award!





War Horse wasnt snubbed if you ask me, it wasnt that great of a film.

Only the score and cinematography were really exceptional. I do think the score deserved to win but after finally seeing Hugo last night I cannot argue with it winning for cinematography. War Horse's cinematography was excellent but Hugo's was really, really, REALLY excellent. The entire film was a joy to watch from the first frame to the last.

You obviously haven't seen The Tree Of Life.


I haven't seen The Tree Of Life yet, but I definitely want to. I'm only speaking of the films I *have* seen, and out of the two I mentioned, I preferred Hugo's cinematography to War Horse's. But both were very good.


You DO NOT want to see "The Tree of Life." Trust me. You have been warned. If you thought a movie like "Mullholland Drive" was disjointed and "out there," this one will be a true head-scratcher, especially when you get to the 30-minute mark. The cinematography was nice, but I wasn't sure why half the shots on screen were being shown.


Tree of Life is a good film. Its slow paced and disjointed at times, but there is some genuine merit to this intelligent film and I appreciate what Mallick was trying to do. Its not a perfect film, but a great piece of work if you ask me. In the end, its basically the 2001: A Space Odyssey of this generation, except it does a far better job than its incomprehensible predecessor...

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:11 PM

Tree of Life is a good film. Its slow paced and disjointed at times, but there is some genuine merit to this intelligent film and I appreciate what Mallick was trying to do.


What was Malick trying to do? You might be the first one to know...
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:15 PM

Show the struggle between nature and grace on a human being.
"Close Encounters to me is as good a piece of concert music as the 20th century has produced. Everybody fixates on... the Superman fanfare, or Star Wars - Main Theme, or the Raiders March. It's what happens after that, it's not the big popular hook where you go: 'My God John Williams is a genius.' Y'know it's the stuff which is maybe less hooky and less hummable, but is great art." - Hans Zimmer

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:23 PM

I found Tree of Life more engaging than Moneyball. What a bore that was. Mostly do to the fact that I don't like Baseball.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 10:39 PM

Show the struggle between nature and grace on a human being.


Nope. Nature/grace were a symbiotic force, the technocratic man and his actions were the other force, even i figured that out. :pfft:
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:02 PM

How can an interpretation be wrong?
"Close Encounters to me is as good a piece of concert music as the 20th century has produced. Everybody fixates on... the Superman fanfare, or Star Wars - Main Theme, or the Raiders March. It's what happens after that, it's not the big popular hook where you go: 'My God John Williams is a genius.' Y'know it's the stuff which is maybe less hooky and less hummable, but is great art." - Hans Zimmer

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:04 PM

Poor recording but until a better one shows up, I'll just post this in here...



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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:28 PM

Tree of Life is a good film. Its slow paced and disjointed at times, but there is some genuine merit to this intelligent film and I appreciate what Mallick was trying to do. Its not a perfect film, but a great piece of work if you ask me. In the end, its basically the 2001: A Space Odyssey of this generation, except it does a far better job than its incomprehensible predecessor...


Well I understand people unfamiliar with Kardashev III type civilizations and extropianism and singulitarianism might have a case of future shock with the film. In any case, The Tree of Life is an inferior film to 2001, and it's actually more vague, uncomprehensible and close minded.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:30 PM

Here's what I think: neither Tintin nor War Horse were 'Oscar worthy'.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:35 PM

they said he had no musical training in the ceremony???? as if it was something to be proud of?

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:40 PM

yeah my jaw dropped when they said that .Exactly at the time the passed by Williams

JW must have cringed too

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:44 PM

Here's what I think: neither Tintin nor War Horse were 'Oscar worthy'.


As I see it something that's better than everything else of its year is Oscar worthy.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:46 PM

none of the winners in the past 10 years were Oscar worthy scores

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:48 PM

Howard Shore's score for LotR: RotK was definitely Oscar-worthy

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:48 PM

JW was robbed again! And its just as bad and wrong as losing to Zimmer or Santaolalalala.....


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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:50 PM

no formal training in composition is one thing, but none in orchestration either? that's pretty impressive for a score that's quite colorful in orchestration imho.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:52 PM

Im glad i did not stay up for this shambles.

Its a fucking disgrace, and anyone who thinks otherwise should ask for their membership and posts to bd decimated from this forum.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:57 PM

they said he had no musical training in the ceremony???? as if it was something to be proud of?

OMG


yeah my jaw dropped when they said that .Exactly at the time the passed by Williams

JW must have cringed too


Jesus Christ, do you couple of mongolian inverts even realise that some of western popular culture's most celebrated musical artists are "untrained"?

Whether JW cringed or not should be the least of your worries.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:57 PM

Funniest moment: Christopher Guest's troupe as test audience for Wizard of Oz.

I thought this was one of the least funny moments.

Most uncomfortable moment: The painfully unfunny "documentary-style" bit with Robert Downey Jr.

I thought that would've been better if the audience had laughed more. There were a few places where I wanted to laugh, but the dead silence after the punchline was so shocking that I didn't.

For me the funniest part was when Billy Crystal said "Eh..." after the giant book of music came up with that super dramatic music. Crystal seemed to get funnier as the night went on up until the Best Score, then he started getting less and less funny as the night finished.

no formal training in composition is one thing, but none in orchestration either? that's pretty impressive for a score that's quite colorful in orchestration imho.

I wonder how heavily he relied on orchestrators?
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:59 PM

The best ones usually are.
"Close Encounters to me is as good a piece of concert music as the 20th century has produced. Everybody fixates on... the Superman fanfare, or Star Wars - Main Theme, or the Raiders March. It's what happens after that, it's not the big popular hook where you go: 'My God John Williams is a genius.' Y'know it's the stuff which is maybe less hooky and less hummable, but is great art." - Hans Zimmer

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:03 AM

The best ones usually are.

Well, all of them usually are, so I don't think that's a fair statement. Williams and Shore barely use orchestrators, and their stuff is usually great.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:05 AM


Funniest moment: Christopher Guest's troupe as test audience for Wizard of Oz.

I thought this was one of the least funny moments.

Most uncomfortable moment: The painfully unfunny "documentary-style" bit with Robert Downey Jr.

I thought that would've been better if the audience had laughed more. There were a few places where I wanted to laugh, but the dead silence after the punchline was so shocking that I didn't.

For me the funniest part was when Billy Crystal said "Eh..." after the giant book of music came up with that super dramatic music. Crystal seemed to get funnier as the night went on up until the Best Score, then he started getting less and less funny as the night finished.

no formal training in composition is one thing, but none in orchestration either? that's pretty impressive for a score that's quite colorful in orchestration imho.

I wonder how heavily he relied on orchestrators?


Probably a lot. So?
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:05 AM


The best ones usually are.

Well, all of them usually are, so I don't think that's a fair statement. Williams and Shore barely use orchestrators, and their stuff is usually great.

Sorry, that was in response to Quint's post.
"Close Encounters to me is as good a piece of concert music as the 20th century has produced. Everybody fixates on... the Superman fanfare, or Star Wars - Main Theme, or the Raiders March. It's what happens after that, it's not the big popular hook where you go: 'My God John Williams is a genius.' Y'know it's the stuff which is maybe less hooky and less hummable, but is great art." - Hans Zimmer

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:06 AM

A score half composed by orchestrators, music from Vertigo...what a fucking shambles.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:08 AM

Look - Stefan has been caught up in it too!

We're living in different times to what we're used to, folks.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:09 AM

Now I'm happy that it won. You guys whine too much.
"Close Encounters to me is as good a piece of concert music as the 20th century has produced. Everybody fixates on... the Superman fanfare, or Star Wars - Main Theme, or the Raiders March. It's what happens after that, it's not the big popular hook where you go: 'My God John Williams is a genius.' Y'know it's the stuff which is maybe less hooky and less hummable, but is great art." - Hans Zimmer

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:11 AM

And you never whine at all, everything is always ok with you. Isnt it?

That suggests something to me.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:12 AM

A score half composed by orchestrators, music from Vertigo...what a fucking shambles.


The reason for the Vertigo music in film was only due to the fact that the director wanted the film out for the film festival and the music couldn't be done in time, so the director used the Vertigo music. Bource did however compose music for that scene and its on the album.

Calm down people, yes the maestro lost undeservedly, but personally I think The Artist got the most deserving win since Return of the King...

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:15 AM

Why didn't they put the Bource there afterwards?

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:17 AM

Bource did however compose music for that scene and its on the album.


Irrelevant! If its not in the film, it cannot be taken into consideration.

Why didn't they put the Bource there afterwards?


Because Herrmann is better, most likely.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:18 AM


A score half composed by orchestrators, music from Vertigo...what a fucking shambles.


The reason for the Vertigo music in film was only due to the fact that the director wanted the film out for the film festival and the music couldn't be done in time, so the director used the Vertigo music. Bource did however compose music for that scene and its on the album.

Calm down people, yes the maestro lost undeservedly, but personally I think The Artist got the most deserving win since Return of the King...


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Posted 28 February 2012 - 12:20 AM

Bource did however compose music for that scene and its on the album.


Irrelevant! If its not in the film, it cannot be taken into consideration.


Why should Bource take the blame for the director's decision? He did his job up to the very last scene, its not his fault that Hermann took his own score's place in the end...


Why didn't they put the Bource there afterwards?


Because Herrmann is better, most likely.


Probably too much effort, or the director ended up liking Vertigo placed at the end. He was fond of the film and its score, so he might have considered it as an apt way to pay homage to it...

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