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2012 Oscar Discussion Thread (Tintin and War Horse nominated for Best Original Score!)
Started by Romão, Jan 24 2012 01:45 PM
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 05:22 PM
no biggie,My bad
just think Next Year's awards John won't be competing against himself.
He will be competing against himself in one respect, as it's his third Presidential score, no doubt people will compare JFK, Nixon, and Lincoln.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 05:28 PM
i think the artist got all this attention because it just revived a genre from decades ago and it was original only in that way.
otherwise i consider it a very mediocre film..
I suppose I just see it differently. The Artist was simply using the techniques of the time to tell a story of the time. Looking over the director's career, it's clearly his shtick, but he does it well. The premise isn't original, nor is the style, but all the details and the tongue-in-cheek sense of creating a silent movie for a 21st century audience were unique to this film, mixed in with a properly weighted sense of drama, and added up to make for an incredibly enjoyable, heartfelt movie. It was the best time I had at the movies all year.
I don't think a movie's goal should ever be to be as original or groundbreaking as possible. If that stuff comes at all, it will come out of simply trying to tell a good story and tell it well.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 05:33 PM
telling a story well is a difficult challenge.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 06:06 PM
To tell a story this way, without dialogue and sound effects, and without colour is cheap, and disrespectful and horrible, and I cant believe so many people fell for it!
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 08:07 PM
Disrespectful? To whom, the people who went to see it?
They bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into.
They bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into.
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 08:09 PM
Let them die!
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Posted 29 February 2012 - 12:24 AM
I disagree with the idea that it's more relatable to a famous actor than a regular person. To me it was about anybody who feels their best days are behind them, whether that's because they're growing older, that they aren't valued by society anymore, etc.
The Artist was the most moving film I've seen in theaters since...Return of the King? Maybe it had to do with my life at the moment I saw the film, but for some reason I was able to empathize with the main character more than I am able to in almost any other film.
Either way, it is much more than an homage to the silent era.
As lovely and charming as it is, I think The Artist is no more than a celebration of Hollywood heydays. That's why industry people (esp. actors I guess) loved it to the point of giving it their most prestigious honour. It speaks more to the people working within the movie business than anyone else. Of course the arc of the main character is such a classic paradigm of these kind of stories that anyone can relate to it, but I think it speaks more cleary to a Hollywood actor than to the average moviegoer. One can appreciate the very conscious and meta-textual approach of the script, but honestly it's not an earth-shattering, rule-changing movie. It's a nostalgia trip to Hollywood's glory days, the perfect fodder for today's industry so full of itself and more and more detached from the rest of the world.
One last thing: other than Billy Wilder, the director should have thanked Stanley Donen & Gene Kelly as well, since the movie's script is almost a rip-off of Singin' in the Rain.
It's not the most original thing in the world, but it's still original enough to be considered a great film, and the execution is top notch. For instance, the use of sound was really cleverly done, IMO. And I wouldn't write off the script as being ripped from Singin' in the Rain--the premise is similar but the rest is very different.
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It's John's daughter.
"It's still baffling to me. I sit down with a pencil and a piece of paper and do my best... The remarkable thing is that my music is heard by billions of people." --John Williams
"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
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And now here's a much clearer video of Ludovic Bource's Oscar win:
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:49 PM
Great, thanks!
I am wondering... the written music they show briefly when they present the 5 nominated scores... are they the real deal?
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Hey, wait a minute! This is not the original broadcast, is it? Didn't they show very brief clips of each movie when they presented the nominated scores....?
I am wondering... the written music they show briefly when they present the 5 nominated scores... are they the real deal?
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Hey, wait a minute! This is not the original broadcast, is it? Didn't they show very brief clips of each movie when they presented the nominated scores....?
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 01:30 PM
Yes but they have to edit it out so as not to pay royalties or something.
And here's for the Best Original Song:
I didn't realize Bret was in LOTR.
And here's for the Best Original Song:
I didn't realize Bret was in LOTR.
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I didn't realize Bret was in LOTR.
Come on! He's Figwit!
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:01 PM
In The Hobbit he will be Lindir.
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No. In The Hobbit, he'll be Bigwit.
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No, he will be Lindir!
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Some photos on the eve of the Oscars.
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:32 PM
Williams seemed to have something on his knees, some kind of paper. I wonder what was it...
Some Oscar poems probably...
Billy cledyf yn aghat
Billy yscwyt yg kat
Billy tant yn telyn.
Oscar blaen llin,
A-ward gysseuin
Helyc a cherdin
Buant hwyr yr vydin.
Some Oscar poems probably...
Billy cledyf yn aghat
Billy yscwyt yg kat
Billy tant yn telyn.
Oscar blaen llin,
A-ward gysseuin
Helyc a cherdin
Buant hwyr yr vydin.
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They're all in awe of Him, I betcha. Even Shore must be.
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:48 PM
who are those poeple, other than John?
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:00 PM
who are those poeple, other than John?
Those pictures belong to a SoundtrackNet article, where you can find all the names.
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Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:23 PM
thanks
who are those poeple, other than John?
Those pictures belong to a SoundtrackNet article, where you can find all the names.
I ultimately recognized Whoopi
and Charles Bernstein.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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the sheet music that's shown in the big music book thing for War Horse looks like the Naracotts theme from Dartmoor, 1912. Just sayin'. Not really sure what the Tintin one is.
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blah, i shoulda known from all those triplets
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 10:47 AM
the sheet music that's shown in the big music book thing for War Horse looks like the Naracotts theme from Dartmoor, 1912. Just sayin'. Not really sure what the Tintin one is.
Ah that's great! So they actually made the effort to show us the real thing, as opposed to just anything with musical notes on it!
Also, what is this then? At 0:37? (I do read music, but I can't place it...)
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 06:41 PM
my god carlihos brown looks like some kind of whoopy goldberg...
BTW, its just me or howard shore has aged alot since the LOTR days? he seems much more older than he should...
BTW, its just me or howard shore has aged alot since the LOTR days? he seems much more older than he should...
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 06:47 PM
He's 61-62 now I think...
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 10:51 PM
He's 61-62 now I think...
Omg! He's 65!!! And here I was thinking he was in his late 40s...had no idea Shore was that old
He always seemed like one of those younger composers to me.
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the sheet music that's shown in the big music book thing for War Horse looks like the Naracotts theme from Dartmoor, 1912. Just sayin'. Not really sure what the Tintin one is.
Ah that's great! So they actually made the effort to show us the real thing, as opposed to just anything with musical notes on it!
Also, what is this then? At 0:37? (I do read music, but I can't place it...)
The fourth line looks like the violin solo from "Remembrances".
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 11:27 PM
I thought he was 50-something.
He's 61-62 now I think...
Omg! He's 65!!! And here I was thinking he was in his late 40s...had no idea Shore was that old
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I thought he was older than he is 
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Posted 04 March 2012 - 11:42 PM
the sheet music that's shown in the big music book thing for War Horse looks like the Naracotts theme from Dartmoor, 1912. Just sayin'. Not really sure what the Tintin one is.
Ah that's great! So they actually made the effort to show us the real thing, as opposed to just anything with musical notes on it!
Also, what is this then? At 0:37? (I do read music, but I can't place it...)
mrbellamy pointed out, thats the sheet music for the violon solo for the Remembrance theme.
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 12:57 PM
The fourth line looks like the violin solo from "Remembrances".
Ah yes. Thanks!
By the way, what's that piece playing when Bource gets up and starts shaking hands with the other nominees? Is that a piece from his own score "The Artist"? Or something from Hans Zimmer?
Some random thoughts:
1. The soft string music is at its most moving when Bource approaches Williams and shakes hands with him, I thought!
2. I love how he briefly touches his heart, as if to say, "I admire you with all my heart" and the way JW briefly nods his head as if to say, "Why, thank you very much!"
3. When Bource is up on the podium, it's a good thing he mentioned William's name first! It probably wasn't a conscious decision, but it's revealing nonetheless! Bource knows the ranking:: Williams, Shore, and (followed by a brief hesitation) Iglesias!
4. Bource seems such a nice and sympathetic guy, you can't even be mad at him for winning!
5. Damn, Penélope Cruz is hot!
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 03:41 PM
The fourth line looks like the violin solo from "Remembrances".
Ah yes. Thanks!
By the way, what's that piece playing when Bource gets up and starts shaking hands with the other nominees? Is that a piece from his own score "The Artist"? Or something from Hans Zimmer?
Tell me Josh, does that sound like Zimmer?
To answer your question, the music is from the score for The Artist.
Some random thoughts:
1. The soft string music is at its most moving when Bource approaches Williams and shakes hands with him, I thought!
2. I love how he briefly touches his heart, as if to say, "I admire you with all my heart" and the way JW briefly nods his head as if to say, "Why, thank you very much!"
3. When Bource is up on the podium, it's a good thing he mentioned William's name first! It probably wasn't a conscious decision, but it's revealing nonetheless! Bource knows the ranking:: Williams, Shore, and (followed by a brief hesitation) Iglesias!
4. Bource seems such a nice and sympathetic guy, you can't even be mad at him for winning!
5. Damn, Penélope Cruz is hot!
Those are some great observations (especially number 5, followed by number 3
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 07:23 PM
probably not... but this is the first time i noticed this.
When Penelope cruz appeared on stage to present the award, if i had seen it live, i would have thought: this screams Iglesias is going to win.!
Just like Cruz and Banderas presented Almodovar's oscar, or Spielberg, lucas and coppola presented Scorsesse's....
Or salma hayek announcing the infamous santaolalla (they knew she was the only one who has going to say the name correctly)
So if next time Spielberg presents the award..it wont mean Williams will get it...
Now that i think of this... there would be never anyone on earth more suited to give williams his next (and last...) oscar..
When Penelope cruz appeared on stage to present the award, if i had seen it live, i would have thought: this screams Iglesias is going to win.!
Just like Cruz and Banderas presented Almodovar's oscar, or Spielberg, lucas and coppola presented Scorsesse's....
Or salma hayek announcing the infamous santaolalla (they knew she was the only one who has going to say the name correctly
)So if next time Spielberg presents the award..it wont mean Williams will get it...
Now that i think of this... there would be never anyone on earth more suited to give williams his next (and last...) oscar..
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 08:43 PM
Those are some great observations (especially number 5, followed by number 3
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I am not quite sure what you mean... These are just random thoughts that came to me while watching this, the 2 points are not connected.
Unless you mean... I don't think you can tell who is the winner by who presents the Oscar! Or can you?
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Come to think of it.
Goldie Hawn presented JW with the Oscar twice (for Jaws and Schindler's List)!!! Now is this a coincidence? Goldie Hawn was the star of the first Spielberg/Williams collaboration, after all...!
Tell me Josh, does that sound like Zimmer?
To answer your question, the music is from the score for The Artist.
You know, I have neither seen the movie "The Artist" nor heard the entire score, so I had no idea...
Can anyone tell me, which track is this on the OS album of "The Artist"?
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Posted 11 March 2012 - 10:34 PM
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Those are some great observations (especially number 5, followed by number 3
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I am not quite sure what you mean... These are just random thoughts that came to me while watching this, the 2 points are not connected.
Unless you mean... I don't think you can tell who is the winner by who presents the Oscar! Or can you?
The points aren't related, I just ranked your fifth observation as the best of them all (because Penelope Cruz is pretty hot) and then your 3rd point was I found 2nd most interesting to me. That's all.
Unfortunately, I'm in the process of acquiring my psychic abilities, they aren't fully developed yet...but once they are, I'll make sure to spoil your fun
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Come to think of it.
Goldie Hawn presented JW with the Oscar twice (for Jaws and Schindler's List)!!! Now is this a coincidence? Goldie Hawn was the star of the first Spielberg/Williams collaboration, after all...!
Tell me Josh, does that sound like Zimmer?
To answer your question, the music is from the score for The Artist.
You know, I have neither seen the movie "The Artist" nor heard the entire score, so I had no idea...
Can anyone tell me, which track is this on the OS album of "The Artist"?
Still, you should be able to tell from common sense and any Zimmer exposure that that doesn't sound like Zimmer material
I believe the specified music came from the track "Happy Ending" on the album.
Hear it for yourself (2:53 - 3:24):
Its understandably taken at a faster tempo at the ceremony.
- KK
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Still, you should be able to tell from common sense and any Zimmer exposure that that doesn't sound like Zimmer material
You know, I couldn't help grinning even while I was typing that!
Hear it for yourself (2:53 - 3:24):
Its understandably taken at a faster tempo at the ceremony.
- KK
Ah yes. I don't have a chance to listen to it now, but later.... thanks! But what I heard at the Oscars wasn't too shabby... maybe Bource DID deserve an Oscar after all!
And one other thing: since I haven't seen "The Artist" yet, whenever I hear this piece, I will forever associate it with Bource shaking hands with Williams, I think... but that piece was very fitting, almost as if the scene had been scored afterwards...
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