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#201 Quintus

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 03:00 PM

I prefer the Goldsmith ripped off Poledouris argument. Don't think Total Recall sounds anything like Capricorn One, which is far more badass than TR anyway.

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 03:03 PM

But Anvil of Crom sounds like Capricorn One.

 

That is in essence the point I'm making.


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Posted 02 August 2013 - 03:04 PM

And they both sound like that one cue from John Ottman's Superman Returns. ;)

 

 

 

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"Modern, serious music has become embroiled in an intellectual discussion that has no place in music. Certainly, the great composer of the past were geniuses and used their intellect, but only to serve their emotions and guide their craft. Not to dictate to them what they should or shouldn't write" - Michael Kamen, 1995

 


#204 Stefancos

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 03:13 PM

Tsk tsk John!


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#205 Wojo

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 07:15 PM

I'm the opposite. I'm meh on Total Recall, while First Blood is gold. I haven't heard Second or Third Blood yet.

Action score, gotta go with Temple of Doom or Raiders above those, sorry.

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 07:19 PM

Those aren't action scores!

JW hasn't really done one.

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 07:22 PM

Yeah well that's like your opinion man.

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 07:25 PM

I honestly don't feel much similarity between Anvil and Capricorn.

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 08:24 PM

Those aren't action scores!


Agreed. They're adventure scores. And as an adventure score, Raiders is obviously better than Total Recall. Judged as an action score, TR wins.

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 07:34 AM

I honestly don't feel much similarity between Anvil and Capricorn.


Oh yeah!

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 09:18 AM

Rambo: First Blood part II

 

Rome salutes you, and I embrace you as a brother.

 

2:46 below, is among my favourite Jerry 'nuggets'.

 

It scores when Rambo arrives back at the operations centre and he's 'rather' upset, shall we say.

Jerry really gets the - "Oh my god, Rambo is back and he's not a happy bunny" across in the music.

 

It gives me chills!

 



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Posted 03 August 2013 - 09:22 AM

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Murdock: Rambo, I swear to God, I didn't know it was supposed to happen like this. It was just supposed to be another assignment!

Rambo: Mission... accomplished.

[thrusts knife into table]

Rambo: You know there's more men out there and you know where they are. Find 'em. Or I'll find you.


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Posted 03 August 2013 - 09:27 AM

Rambo: Mission... accomplished.

[thrusts knife into table]

 

"Don't push it. Don't push it or I'll give you a war you won't believe."

 

Melange - On a Rambo Roll this morning :P



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Posted 03 August 2013 - 09:33 AM


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Posted 03 August 2013 - 10:10 AM

Rambo referring to himself was fun in itself, but it was even more fun when others referred to him.

 

Colonel Trautman will go down in history as a tenacious and loyal spin doctor (even under torture)



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Posted 03 August 2013 - 10:18 AM

This is another one of my favorite cues from Rambo: First Blood part II that's as heavy-laden with notes as any action cues from Total Recall:

 

 



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Posted 03 August 2013 - 11:18 AM

Never seen Rambo II. Don't own any of the scores.

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 11:29 AM

Oh, and I found a live performance of Total Recall theme:

 



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Posted 03 August 2013 - 12:18 PM

2:46 below, is among my favourite Jerry 'nuggets'.


The whole finale of Rambo II rivals Total Recall. Here's two more:





Absolutely love the buildup on the second one. Actually, the two buildups - the one at the beginning and the second one starting at about 1:00. Some great gear shifts in these cues. The theme seems to lend itself well to them.

And here's the third score I mentioned:



Watch out for the Braveheart theme in counterpoint at 2:43.

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Posted 03 August 2013 - 12:26 PM

Ooh, Baby is one of my favorite scores as well.



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Posted 03 August 2013 - 03:38 PM

Watch out for the Braveheart theme in counterpoint at 2:43.

 

 

Haha, excellent :P

 

Another gem nugget for me from Rambo II, is 1:50 to1:52  'spiralling out of control' musically.

 

1:50 to 3:02 could transform navigating a supermarket carpark in your vehicle, into an exciting 'mission'.

 



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Posted 05 August 2013 - 02:54 AM

Interview with Alexander Courage about Jerry Goldsmith:

 

 

 

Interesting tidbit: Courage first worked with Goldsmith on "Morituri".



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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:25 PM

Total Recall has several.

So does MoS



There's a difference, Total Recall is a far superior score that left a huge impression on me after seeing the film. I couldn't remember a single thing about MOS's music after seeing the movie.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:27 PM

True. But TR is a surprisingly modern score in that it doesn't have a dominant theme. While it has several themes, worked throughout the whole core, they are weaved in very organically, rather then made to stand out.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:54 PM

I've been listening to Zimmer's MoS again actually. The Krypton theme is stunning. Zimmer knows as well as Williams how to drop in within a melody a precise single note and have it stand out from the rest by suddenly magnifying the harmonies all around it into a swell of sweet pay-off which sends shivers down the shoulders and arms. I didn't immediately and consciously appreciate such nuance at first, during the movie, but listening to the score back a few times reveals satisfying depths. The score isn't perfect by a long shot, but there are plenty of gems and trinkets buried in there to make it a worthy listen by the end.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:56 PM

Take that kinda talk to the Zimmer or MoS threads!


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Posted 09 August 2013 - 09:55 PM

 

Now, tell me: what is this "Deluxe Edition" album like, both completeness-wise and sound-wise?

 

Karol

 

On complete-ness:

 

In terms of original score, everything is there except the film version of "The Dream".

In terms of source music, everything is missing except the second ReKall infomercial source cue.



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Posted 16 August 2013 - 04:05 AM

JoAnn Kane who revealed the secret that Johnny will score The Book Thief was interviewed about her relationship with JG as well as her job:

 



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Posted 18 August 2013 - 12:23 AM

 

 

Now, tell me: what is this "Deluxe Edition" album like, both completeness-wise and sound-wise?

 

Karol

 

On complete-ness:

 

In terms of original score, everything is there except the film version of "The Dream".

In terms of source music, everything is missing except the second ReKall infomercial source cue.

 

 

Forgot to mention: the additional music composed by Bruno Louchouarn for the Last Resort also remains unreleased: "Mutant Dancing", "Rubble City", "Running Out Of Air"



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 02:47 PM

Coming this Tuesday from Intrada:
 
 
 

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Original Dot Motion Picture Score Album (from UMG multi-track masters)
1. Main Title* 2:32
2. You Gotta Let Me Go 2:41
3. The Decoders 2:35
4. Checkmate 2:13
5. Carol’s Apartment 2:57
6. Comes The Night (Goldsmith–Shaper) 2:38
7. Night Scene* 1:11
8. The Trip 2:27
9. Sputnik Code (Tristram Cary) 1:51
10. First Day At Work* 3:21
Total Album Time: 24:52
 
Original Motion Picture Soundtrack (mono)
11. The Red Insect* 2:30
12. Main Title* 3:56
13. First Day At Work* 3:14
14. The Decoders 2:49
15. Night Scene* 1:01
16. Juke Box Jury Number 0:12
17. A Matter For Thought* 0:35
18. A Visit To Carol* 0:58
19. Under Observation (Checkmate #2) 0:35
20. The Pursuit* (Checkmate #3) 1:04
21. Checkmate* (Checkmate #1) 0:56
22. In A Bad Way* 0:55
23. The Interior Decorator* 0:28
24. Caught In The Act 0:32
25. No Answer (Carol’s Apartment #2) 1:07
26. A New Assignment 0:54
27. Jodrell Bank 1:09
28. The Wrong Address (Carol’s Apartment #1) 1:43
29. Comes The Night (Carol’s Theme) (Goldsmith–Shaper) 2:02
30. The Trip 1:55
31. The Right Address* 0:49
32. End Title* 3:40
Total Soundtrack Time: 34:01
 
Unused Tristram Cary Material
33. Sputnik Code Revision – Code With Morse 1:37
34. Sputnik Code Revision – Code Without Morse 0:11
35. Sputnik Code Revision – Proper Speed (Full Mix) 3:56
36. Loop 1 – Clicks And Scrapes 0:56
37. Loop 2 – Electronic Codes 0:55
38. Loop 3 – Rattle And Low Notes 0:48
39. Sputnik Code – Very Wild Mix 2:10
40. Sputnik Code – Mix With Code 1:48
41. Final Code Mix – With 10-Second Pulse Removed 1:09
42. Code 1 1:08
43. Code 3 1:04
44. Assorted Sounds For Titles 2:20
Total Tristram Cary Material: 18:23


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#231 chuckster312

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 10:10 AM

The Force is strong with this one:

 



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Posted 11 September 2013 - 12:36 AM

The Jerry Goldsmith 80th Birthday Tribute Concert:

 



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Posted 11 September 2013 - 02:36 AM

Planet of the Apes performance din't have the energy and gusto like the 2001 LSO performance at the Royal Albert Hall...







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