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[tannhauser]

Good news everybody!

After a lot of patient hassling, I finally got WGBH to reupload the Live from Frasier audio of the oboe/piano form of Williams Oboe Concerto. Enjoy!

http://www.wgbh.org/...uke-Wakao-29779

[Jason LeBlanc]

Terrific!

[king mark]

Finally


If I grab it with D/L helper I get a 128k MP3

Is there an AAC somewhere in the choices?

[Michael]

Superb!

[Jason LeBlanc]

No the mp3 is all there is

http://streams.wgbh.org/online/clas/LFF_110623keisukewakao.mp3

[king mark]

The Boston pops one had an orchestral accompaniment

This one seems to be only Piano +Oboe

[Jason LeBlanc]

When I saw it live the string section was on stage

I also don't remember it being an hour long

[king mark]

it's not 1 hour, it's 18 minutes

How many "movements are there? it seems like 3

ok it's 3 movements

Prelude
Pastorale
Comedia

[Jason LeBlanc]

Sorry I didn't realize the mp3 was of a 57 minute radio show and not JUST of the oboe concerto

[king mark]

The movement have clean silences in between

So I isolated them , saved in WAV with the proper names, than made new 320k MP3's with LAME Drop. I don't think there will be any drop in quality with the re-encoding since it's a much higher bitrate

[Stefancos]

Why not make FLACs?

[Jason LeBlanc]

Stefan is right.

You ALWAYS lose qualify when you encode to mp3. There is no exception.

[king mark]

I can do that too, but why would I lose quality converting a 128k MP3 to 320?

[Stefancos]

Better yet. Burn the file on CDr as a playable audio CD, then use EAC to rip that CD into FLAC.

[king mark]

that seems a bit too anal

[Jason LeBlanc]

I can do that too, but why would I lose quality converting a 128k MP3 to 320?

You are not converting from 128 mp3 to 320mp3 at that point. You are converting WAV to 320 mp3.

You ALWAYS lose qualify when you encode to mp3. There is no exception.

that seems a bit too anal

Mark, he was joking...

[king mark]

ok, I'm not arguing just for the hell of it but just to know

The 128k already has the high frequencies cut off . The WAV files doesn't not restore them either. So the 320 MP3 encoder would simply have nothing to remove? Or would cut off the same top end that is already missing, like "empty space" ?

[Jason LeBlanc]

There would likely be NO audible difference that you would EVER hear converting that particular WAV to 320kbps mp3.

But TECHNICALLY, every time you make something into an mp3 it removes SOME of the original data - whether you can ever HEAR that loss or not another story.

So yes in this case, make 320 mp3s to listen to on your ipod and you'll be perfectly fine.

But in general, any time you edit ANYTHING for any reason, save your final work as WAV then convert it to FLAC.

mp3 is for listening and conserving disk space. Lossless is for archiving and trading.

[Nemesis]

If you convert the same file over and over to 320kb mp3 there is loss of quality everytime you convert it.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Yes.

[king mark]

ok , that I understand

But since were dealing with a low quality radio show (until the thing is released on a c.d.), I was more focused about the "no audible difference " part instead of making huge files for nothing, and to put in my ipod

I keep my WAVS of course

[Jason LeBlanc]

But that's my point - you don't need to keep the WAV. If you convert that WAV to FLAC, its IDENTICAL. Then you can optionally make an mp3 for portable devices.

There's no reason in the world to keep WAV AND FLAC versions of the same thing.

There IS a reason to keep FLAC AND MP3 versions - if the latter will be going on devices with limited space.

[king mark]

If you convert the same file over and over to 320kb mp3 there is loss of quality everytime you convert it.

ye, if you do it multiple times. I agree .But "first re-encode" loss of quality should be minimal

But that's my point - you don't need to keep the WAV. If you convert that WAV to FLAC, its IDENTICAL. Then you can optionally make an mp3 for portable devices.

There's no reason in the world to keep WAV AND FLAC versions of the same thing.

There IS a reason to keep FLAC AND MP3 versions - if the latter will be going on devices with limited space.

ok, that's correct

[Jason LeBlanc]

Yea, you're fine.

But if you ever traded with anybody, you should give them the FLAC not your MP3

[king mark]

I agree

[Nemesis]

If you convert the same file over and over to 320kb mp3 there is loss of quality everytime you convert it.

ye, if you do it multiple times. I agree .But "first re-encode" loss of quality should be minimal

Yes, you barely hear a difference after converting it the first time. I tested it once with a file and it needed some re-converting until I heard a difference. But still, one looses quality from the beginnig on.

(is this correct english "one looses"?)

[king mark]

I'd be more concerned if the converting included changing the sampling rate

i think you lose a lot on first try

[Thor]

I have no idea what you guys are talking about, but I'm happy to see a version of this available for listening. Hope the full orchestral version appears one day.

[Wojo]

No you don't. You only want what the composer himself has made available for the very first time. And that's this file. Anything beyond this is totally unnecessary.

[Jason LeBlanc]

If you convert the same file over and over to 320kb mp3 there is loss of quality everytime you convert it.

ye, if you do it multiple times. I agree .But "first re-encode" loss of quality should be minimal

Yes, you barely hear a difference after converting it the first time. I tested it once with a file and it needed some re-converting until I heard a difference. But still, one looses quality from the beginnig on.

(is this correct english "one looses"?)

"loses", not "looses"

"loose" = not tight
"lose" = not win

[Nemesis]

Thanks

[tannhauser]

Such a wonderful piece. I keep hearing little shades of War Horse in the first 2 movements.

[Wojo]

Yes, you barely hear a difference after converting it the first time. I tested it once with a file and it needed some re-converting until I heard a difference. But still, one looses quality from the beginnig on.

(is this correct english "one looses"?)

"loses", not "looses"

"loose" = not tight
"lose" = not win

Don't forget, you can use "loose" as a verb, if it has an object of what you are intentionally making loose. Examples are to loose a boat from its mooring, or to loose missiles at invaders.

The most famous example that I can think of is the line "He hath loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword" in "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" by Julia Ward Howe (1861). That might also tell you how archaic the word is in that use.

In your case, Nemesis, you don't actually hold "quality" in your hand as a holdable, countable object, and set it free when you re-convert. You started with a file, you end up with a file. Since quality is directly proportional to file size, having less quality is just a byproduct of the file conversion process.

This has been another free grammar lesson by Professor Wojo.

I miss Blume. He used to write these, too.

Edited by Wojo, 23 February 2012 - 12:25 AM.

[Nemesis]

But what about sound quality? It's not just quality.

[indy4]

Good news everybody!

After a lot of patient hassling, I finally got WGBH to reupload the Live from Frasier audio of the oboe/piano form of Williams Oboe Concerto. Enjoy!

Thank you for your efforts, tannhauser!

[Incanus]

Great work tannhauser! I can't wait to listen to this!

[king mark]

yeah huge thanks tannhauser. I didn't realize the concert had already aired and they removed the MP3 . I thought it was a future event or the website was screwed up

[Alexcremers]

I want all these concertos on CD. The harp one, the oboe one, ...

BTW, I've heard Memoirs Of A Geisha for cello (Yo-Yo Ma) and piano (John Williams?) and it was fantastic, too.

[Incanus]

With luck Leonard Slatkin and Detroit Symphony will record these new concertos in the future. I think they have several of the older ones in the works at the moment.

[Alexcremers]

Yes, but I want DG to do it. If not, Boston Pops/Sony will do.