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[Miles Prower]

I'm going to guess the first part of The Stories Are True. Maybe that bit of Hook's entrance cue that reprises material from Hook-Napped.

[Stefancos]

Great! In its complete form Hook drags a bit.

[Incanus]

Great! In its complete form Hook drags a bit.

Don't you go all Thor on me Stefan. Not you of all people!

[Chaac]

So how much did they took out? I'm unfamiliar with most of the score.

[Incanus]

So how much did they took out? I'm unfamiliar with most of the score.

We do not know yet. It is hard to determine what Williams thought as needless repetition.

[Chaac]

What Williams thought?


Uuuuuugh.

[Stefancos]

Great! In its complete form Hook drags a bit.

Don't you go all Thor on me Stefan. Not you of all people!

I have had this opinion since the early 2000's, When I first heard the Concorde boot.

There is a lot of GREAT, EPIC, BRILLLIANT stuff that was not on the OST. But also cues that make the complete score drag a bit.

[Chaac]

Betcha they take out the wrong cues!

[Trent Bennett]

There is a lot of GREAT, EPIC, BRILLLIANT stuff that was not on the OST. But also cues that make the complete score drag a bit.

I actually have to agree with Steef on this one.

[Incanus]

As I said sometimes it is too bad the artist who have completely different perspective on their own work get in the way of releasing a complete score since they are so humble and listening experience conscious. As it was mentioned several pages ago that Williams has had his say on this release and the Didier Deutsch interview confirmed that plus mentioned that Williams had wanted to exclude some music. Shame really. But lets wait and see what music will be the casualty of his imput. I really hope it is something we can afford to loose.

[Chaac]

He's going to take out something worth putting there.

There's no escape.

[Trent Bennett]

Well we officially have two weeks from today until this is available for purchase. I for one will be geared up and ready to go at that time. No way in hell am I missing out on this release.

[Incanus]

No question of missing out on this release, definitely no. I will get it in any case. Still I bet there would have been cries of injustice if Back to the Future or ID 4 or some other holy grails would have been "listening experienced" for our pleasure.

[ZackR]

Trust me, I am getting this no matter what but this is why I always want C&C releases because while there might be stuff that people think could crap left off ... everyone might have a different opinion of what that might be.

Still, when John Williams wants something left off, I am sure the labels would always be hesitant to do otherwise, even if contractually they could.

[Maurizio]

According to the interview, Williams asked to hear the complete assembly done by Deutsch and LLL and then gave his own inputs.

I'm sure nothing major has been left out however.

[Stefancos]

I'm sure anything that is missing is already out there anyway? haven't there been at least 2 Hook boots before, and maybe dozens of fan edits?

[pixie_twinkle]

The Concorde Hook boot sounds pretty poor though. I haven't played it since I first got it about 13 years ago, but I remember from the very first minute thinking that the bass drum was distorting horribly in the prologue, and then noticing every distorted peak from then on. Poorly compressed, perhaps?

[Stefancos]

More likely a poor transfer from casette tape to CD. they used a lot of noise reduction software to remove the tape hiss, but it resulted in a lot of artefacts.

[Delorean90]

I'm going to guess the first part of The Stories Are True. Maybe that bit of Hook's entrance cue that reprises material from Hook-Napped.

Good call on "The Stories Are True." What is the second bit you're referring to, though?

[E.T. & Elliott]

I'd like Presenting the Hook with pirate vocals.

[Wojo]

If Williams thought the cues were repetitive or out of tune, then I'll live with it. Anything that we are about to buy is better than another fifteen years of a lousy sounding boot or the OST as it is.

[indy4]

My only fear was that some themes would be overplayed, and it seems Williams agrees with me here. While I wish the complete score was available for those that want it, I'm fine with Williams tinkering with some of the repetitive stuff (at least, one principal. If he deletes anything worthwhile I'll be upset).

[E.T. & Elliott]

At least the swordfights and final battle seems to be on there. That's the most important stuff, in my opinion.

[indy4]

Anybody here speak French? I know a bit, but not enough to decipher a questionable translation. What is the meaning of the word "ton" in the following passage? JWFan translates it as "tune," FreeTranslation.com translates it as "tune," but neither meanings seem quite right.

"Il a fait quelques suggestions, il a demandé que certains morceaux qui étaient répétitifs soient éliminés, il a exclu des morceaux qui n’étaient pas dans le ton comme Take Me Out To The Ballgame… Bref, il a recréé la bande sonore telle qu’on l’entend sur ce double disque."

[KK.]

I know some French myself (yay Canada!) but considering its a second language to me, I'm not sure if I'm the most reliable source. From what I can figure, that quote is suggesting its "not in tune" like the specified song, but I'm not sure if it works to your expectations...

Hopefully that was of some help...most likely it wasn't though

[Wojo]

Why wouldn't it make sense? Maybe the band that performed the song in the movie played it off key, but under the crowd noise and dialogue, you couldn't tell. Maybe one or more of the instruments were off pitch, and the recording can't be fixed. Or maybe it was recorded to an inferior method (i.e. tape), which has decayed, leaving the music warbling.

It's only "Take Me Out to the Ballgame," for fuck's sake. If anyone really needs that song, rip it off a children's music album, watch YouTube, or go to a frikkin' game as summer approaches.

[indy4]

So it's literally out of tune? That doesn't make sense, as the passage says "Williams eliminated cues such as Ballgame that were "not in tune""...doesn't that mean there were more than one cues that weren't in tune? Seems unlikely. Either that's poor wording on the Frenchman's part, or a translation error on the suggestion that there are more than one out of tune cues.

I don't care about Ballgame, but if we figure out why Williams selected against this cue we may be able to anticipate what other cues he eliminated.

[Michael]

I really hope the songs from the musical weren't out of tune.

[Miles Prower]

I'm going to guess the first part of The Stories Are True. Maybe that bit of Hook's entrance cue that reprises material from Hook-Napped.

Good call on "The Stories Are True." What is the second bit you're referring to, though?

I can't give exact times (I deleted my boot a while back), but it's the track after Pirate Town / Presenting The Hook. Fairly early in the track (but after the point where it's faded out in the film), you can hear those dramatic ascending/descending strings from Hook-Napped. I don't know if he'd delete those bars (or God forbid, the whole track) for that, but it's a possibility.

[Trent Bennett]

I don't know why people even care if "Take Me Out To The Ball Game" isn't going to be on the album. It's just source music that I am sure is available on other CDs or whatever.

It's possible that the main score itself will be left alone.

I think it maybe safe to assume the film version for "Banning Back Home" will be on this release but not the album version as an alternate. That could be what they meant by being "repetitive".

Either way if all goes well I should have my copy from LLL on the 30th or 31st.

[Luke Skywalker]

maybe its 'out of tone' instead of 'tune' as in it does not blend into the score well (like yuppie sounds...)

SO MR. why did you fucking included tinker tin on the OST?!?!?!?!?


BTW, with this news: Fuck, fuck, fuck fuck.

I'll still buy it. but i was expecting a definitive release.

Anyway if this was sony, people would be already talking about boiccoting the release, am i wrong?

Nope, of course.

I think it maybe safe to assume the film version for "Banning Back Home" will be on this release but not the album version as an alternate. That could be what they meant by being "repetitive".

not really. The score is lushly thematical with countless of repetitions of the same material. Expect the worse (as mentioned the stories are true (part I or II) could have been completely obliterated just for that.

And expecting the worse...we may still be pleasantly surprised...


But williams choices have been dissapointing in the past, we all know that.

[Wojo]

But williams choices have been dissapointing in the past, we all know that.

Yup. He could've chosen to flip GL off when asked to score Episode I, but he agreed. It's been all downhill from there.

[eitam]

maybe its 'out of tone' instead of 'tune' as in it does not blend into the score well (like yuppie sounds...)

Exactly. It means it was not in the same vein as the rest of the music (just like the "Banning Back Home" people were complaining about on the previous page).

[indy4]

I don't know why people even care if "Take Me Out To The Ball Game" isn't going to be on the album. It's just source music that I am sure is available on other CDs or whatever.

Like the last time you complained about people complaining, nobody is complaining that Ballgame won't be on the release...

[John Crichton]

Guess I should keep my boot after all then, at least until we know for sure what's on and what's not. Take Me Out To the Ballgame is no big loss though.

[SpiritOf77]

Hello Friends,

I'm a new member from the UK, thrilled enough by the prospect of a rounded, expanded release of Hook to actually get off my ass (or 'arse' as we say over here) and join this forum.

I've been a dedicated JW fan for 36 years now; and while I'm not one of those who has to have absolutely every second of any given score before I'm satisfied, I can certainly understand those who are - after all, we're lucky enough to be living right slap bang in the Williams era, so why wouldn't we want to soak up every note that we can?

That said, I find it strange that some posters are expressing their disappointment in Mr Williams' involvement in this release, and his requests to withhold certain cues. This is his work, after all! As a creative artist, he has every right, I believe, to ask for his work to be presented in a way that reflects his wishes.However much we might want lock, stock and barrel, it's not up to us. We might not agree with his choices, but we have to respect them. Really, after all the years of pleasure he's given us, doesn't he deserve that?

[Wojo]

I don't know why people even care if "Take Me Out To The Ball Game" isn't going to be on the album.

For the same reason you complain about missing a few seconds from The Matrix, Stargate, and the choir from Star Trek 2009.

[John Crichton]

Now we know why this release was so long in production.

[Trent Bennett]

For the same reason you complain about missing a few seconds from The Matrix, Stargate, and the choir from Star Trek 2009.

That isn't a very good example as that's different. Those complaints are valid as it was actual music from the score itself that was left off those releases. "Take Me Out To The Ball Game" is source music, not the actual damn score.

[indy4]

For the same reason you complain about missing a few seconds from The Matrix, Stargate, and the choir from Star Trek 2009.

That isn't a very good example as that's different. Those complaints are valid as it was actual music from the score itself that was left off those releases. "Take Me Out To The Ball Game" is source music, not the actual damn score.

That doesn't mean it's worse. Would you be okay with a Star Wars release that didn't include Cantina Band? Music is music, and good music is good music.

I don't need every second of music, but I don't fault those that want exactly that.