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[Stefancos]

Are you just saying that sarcastically?

No, its my fav unreleased part. I might have to wait to order this set intill others can confirm if The Never Feast is finally complete!

[king mark]

Josh, you should know the answer by now

[Josh500]

Josh, you should know the answer by now

I guess I do!

[publicist]

well, so "no more Hook"-music is included in swordfight, and the unreleased "Farewell"music is something we don't know... or is it the Never-Feast Insert?

Unlikely (and musically unsound), the length of the duel music matches the dvd rip, so the short piece after that with the banquet theme playing should now come at the beginning of the farewell cue.

The food insert cannot be separated from the NEVER-FEAST, and since its length is the same as on the old Epic release, i gather it was left out. Why they couldn't smuggle the lone 20 seconds around Williams' watchful eyes we may be know when the liner notes arrive.

[Josh500]

But there's one thing that strikes me, though.

This might be the ultimate release of Hook. I don't think there will ever be a "more complete" version of Hook.

On the Indiana Jones soundtracks, I am not so sure. I can still imagine a 2-CD Raiders, ToD, LC, and KotCS being released in the (distant) future!

[Hedji]

I'm in complete agreement with King Mark. Sorry if I'm focusing on what's not included, but ever since I first heard the boot, the Never Feast insert was the one moment that captivated me the most and made my ears perk up. It was the first thing I checked for on that tracklist. And yes, KM's references to the ToD insert and Fortune and Glory are equally frustrating.

[king mark]

Williams would have probably removed "The Dark Side Beckons" from the Star Wars Special Editions if he had been given the chance

[Josh500]

Williams would have probably removed "The Dark Side Beckons" from the Star Wars Special Editions if he had been given the chance

Now, this kind of speculation is just nonsensical and silly!

[publicist]

He's a sourpuss.

[Josh500]

[king mark]

Well, anyways it ranks up there with E.T. is Dying Film Version being omitted from 2 expanded releases

[Josh500]

Okay, now let's talk about the NEW MUSIC that's included here!!

What's your Top 5 cues/tracks?

[Maurizio]

well, so "no more Hook"-music is included in swordfight, and the unreleased "Farewell"music is something we don't know... or is it the Never-Feast Insert?

Nope. As Jason said, the unreleased parts of the whole Ultimate War sequence were sequenced using the film's music stems, hence the "Sword Fight" track will end as heard in the movie (the big tutti when the croc falls on Hook), then the piece labeled as "No More Hook" (i.e. when the kids realize Hook is gone and then dance) is the new beginning of "Farewell Neverland". What's missing is the unused portion that should link "Sword Fight" (aka "The End of Hook") to the beginning of "No More Hook".

[MissPadmé]

well, so "no more Hook"-music is included in swordfight, and the unreleased "Farewell"music is something we don't know... or is it the Never-Feast Insert?

Unlikely (and musically unsound), the length of the duel music matches the dvd rip, so the short piece after that with the banquet theme playing should now come at the beginning of the farewell cue.

The food insert cannot be separated from the NEVER-FEAST, and since its length is the same as on the old Epic release, i gather it was left out. Why they couldn't smuggle the lone 20 seconds around Williams' watchful eyes we may be know when the liner notes arrive.

wow... you actually thought I was being serious... well I wasn't!!

remember, 1941 had a hidden bonus...! just saying

THe food insert-blu ray rip sounds fantastic in my opinion, that short sfx crackle doesn't bother me atall!

[Maurizio]

A few things I'd like to know:

Is "The Bedroom" the cue called "The Stories Are True Pt. I (film version)" on the bootleg?

Is the bonus track "Wendy Tells Peter the Truth (partly unused)" a combination of "The Stories Are True Pt. I (alternate)" and "The Stories are True Pt.II"?

Does "Presenting the Hook (film version - extended)" play as exactly as heard in the film or does it contain unused material as well?

[Incanus]

Does "Presenting the Hook (film version - extended)" play as exactly as heard in the film or does it contain unused material as well?

In the radio show they said there is a deleted scene for which Williams composed music that should go between Peter wandering in the Pirate Town after arriving to Neverland and meeting the pirates that attack him for his shoes. Tinker Bell pulled Peter aside and sliced his hand with her dagger or something like that to convince that it was all real since Peter still had hard time believing he was in Neverland. That is why his hand is suddenly bandaged in the film. So my bet is that this is the unused piece of music restored to its right place.

[Maurizio]

Mm, I'm note sure.

Looking at track times, my guess is that the cue you're talking about is presented in complete form separately in the track "Pirates!" on Disc 1. The film version of "Presenting the Hook" on Disc 2 is the cue as edited and conformed in the final mix, imho.

some music for deleted footage they alluded to in the interview.

That should be the track "Pan is Challenged".

[FrankV]

Mm, I'm note sure.

Looking at track times, my guess is that the cue you're talking about is presented in complete form separately in the track "Pirates!" on Disc 1. The film version of "Presenting the Hook" on Disc 2 is the cue as edited and conformed in the final mix, imho.

If the track "Pirates!" on the new album is the same as the track of the same name on the boot it's from the scene where we see ook for the first time.

A few things I'd like to know:

Is "The Bedroom" the cue called "The Stories Are True Pt. I (film version)" on the bootleg?

My guess is that "The Bedroom" is from the scene where Peter goes back to bedroom where he met Wendy and her brothers when he was young. "The Stories Are True" is from the scene where Wendy tells Peter he is Peter Pan.

[Maurizio]

Mm, I'm note sure.

Looking at track times, my guess is that the cue you're talking about is presented in complete form separately in the track "Pirates!" on Disc 1. The film version of "Presenting the Hook" on Disc 2 is the cue as edited and conformed in the final mix, imho.

If the track "Pirates!" on the new album is the same as the track of the same name on the boot it's from the scene where we see ook for the first time.

You're right! The duration matches exactly. Mystery solved

A few things I'd like to know:

Is "The Bedroom" the cue called "The Stories Are True Pt. I (film version)" on the bootleg?

My guess is that "The Bedroom" is from the scene where Peter goes back to bedroom where he met Wendy and her brothers when he was young.

Which scene are you taking about?

[FrankV]

Which scene are you taking about?

After Peter and his family have arrived in London Peter goes to the bedroom where his children will be sleeping and sees the painting of Hook on the wall.

[Maurizio]

Yes, you're right again, the duration matches the track called "The Nursery" on the bootleg (this is what puzzled me). Hence "The Nursery" should be actually the cue for the scene when Wendy tells bedtime story to Peter's kids.

Now it's all clear:

"A Portrait of Wendy" --> "The Stories are True Pt. I (FIlm Version")
"Wendy Tells Peter the Truth (partly unused)" --> "The Stories Are True Pt. I (Alternate)" plus "The Stories are True Pt. II".

[E.T. & Elliott]

I have to admit I'm disappointed. Of course. The film version of Never-Feast is one of my favorite parts too. At least the film version of Flight to Neverland seems to have been smuggled in. This mostly retains the album tracks and builds around them. But, as we all know, this is what happens when you let Williams call the shots. We get loads of great stuff, but there will be this...feeling over the whole thing. Like when listening to Temple of Doom or Last Crusade since the Indy box set. That's what this feels a lot like, unfortunately. But you all know who to blame: John Williams.

It is amusing that there are 2 versions of the typically maligned Banning Back Home.

That said, I'm thrilled we're getting what we are, but there is clearly much room for improvement in a future digital reissue 20 years from now.

[Nemesis]

well, so "no more Hook"-music is included in swordfight, and the unreleased "Farewell"music is something we don't know... or is it the Never-Feast Insert?

Unlikely (and musically unsound), the length of the duel music matches the dvd rip, so the short piece after that with the banquet theme playing should now come at the beginning of the farewell cue.

The food insert cannot be separated from the NEVER-FEAST, and since its length is the same as on the old Epic release, i gather it was left out. Why they couldn't smuggle the lone 20 seconds around Williams' watchful eyes we may be know when the liner notes arrive.

wow... you actually thought I was being serious... well I wasn't!!

remember, 1941 had a hidden bonus...! just saying

THe food insert-blu ray rip sounds fantastic in my opinion, that short sfx crackle doesn't bother me atall!

What hidden bonus are you reffering to?

[MissPadmé]

the "My Name is Wild Bill Kelso.. and don't you forget it!!"- shouts seperated, not as overlay.last track on CD2 maybe 30secs after the the End Credits' last note.

well... I doubt the food insert will be included that way on that album,..so, anyway....

[Maurizio]

But you all know who to blame: John Williams.

Yeah, let's blame the man who gave us (and still giving us) countless hours of pure joy. Bah...

[Richard Penna]

I'm not surprised - if Williams has any significant involvement in a release, we're not getting the complete score.

We get the best of both worlds though - a cohesive listen, but with much desired material added back in. From what I've heard, the film ending of 'Flight to Neverland' and the full 'Ultimate War' are the highlights and it's great that we get both of them.

I am a bit disappointed that they have stuck with the album versions of some cues. Whether it's a different performance or missing material it's got to be a blow when you get your grail, only to find that one cue you wanted in its 'film form' is not included.

But, consider this ordered

But you all know who to blame: John Williams.

Yeah, let's blame the man who gave us (and still giving us) countless hours of pure joy. Bah...

You say that like it's a reason not to blame him.

Maybe blame is the wrong word, but there are no 2 ways about it - he is the reason why this release isn't complete.

The only reason I'm not more disappointed is that this score isn't a grail for me.

[BloodBoal]

But you all know who to blame: John Williams.

Yeah, let's blame the man who gave us (and still giving us) countless hours of pure joy...

But won't release them!

[Maurizio]

But you all know who to blame: John Williams.

Yeah, let's blame the man who gave us (and still giving us) countless hours of pure joy. Bah...

You say that like it's a reason not to blame him.

Maybe blame is the wrong word, but there are no 2 ways about it - he is the reason why this release isn't complete.

The only reason I'm not more disappointed is that this score isn't a grail for me.

Again, some people prefer to concentrate on the negative rather than the positive (i.e. more than 1 hour of unreleased stuff). It all comes down to this. Well, to each one his/her own. I'm definitely happy.

[E.T. & Elliott]

La-La Land did all they could. I applaud them for even getting the score out there again in any form other than the OST. We are getting some of JW's greatest moments ever within this set.

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You Are The Pan with that amazing film version choir???

[Incanus]

La-La Land did all they could. I applaud them for even getting the score out there again in any form other than the OST. We are getting some of JW's greatest moments ever within this set.

Yes. I am sure that without JWs input this would have been extremely comprehensive with everything on it they could legally put on the set.

But the complete Ultimate War is worth the price of the set alone.

You Are The Pan with that amazing film version choir???

My guess is that it will be on the release since You Are the Pan is marked containing previously unreleased music.

[Romão]

If I were the composer, I'd have my reservations as well with using an insert inside a fully formed tracked (that was only put there in the first place to fit the film). It's the same thing as that Nazi march insert in the Belly of the Steel Beast. It serves its purpose in the film (in the case of Hook the insert is not as jarring, admitedly, it actually sounds good), but I can perfectly understand JW's reservations in including. I still rank JW very highly as an album producer. This set seems to be pretty much perfect

[Maurizio]

"Smee's Plan" should contain the portion for the deleted scene 'Believe Your Eyes' (aka "Goodnight Neverland") which John Takis talked about on the radio special, while "Pan is Challenged" is the cue for the training with the Lost Boys (minus the song). Am I right?

[Nemesis]

the "My Name is Wild Bill Kelso.. and don't you forget it!!"- shouts seperated, not as overlay.last track on CD2 maybe 30secs after the the End Credits' last note.

well... I doubt the food insert will be included that way on that album,..so, anyway....

Nice find, never got that

[Incanus]

"Smee's Plan" should contain the portion for the deleted scene 'Believe Your Eyes' (aka "Goodnight Neverland") which John Takis talked about on the radio special, while "Pan is Challenged" is the cue for the training with the Lost Boys (minus the song). Am I right?

Pan is Challenged could be the unused music for Rufio's appearance but it might also be Pick 'Em Up as you suggest. And you are probably right about the Smee's Plan containing that Good Night Neverland piece.

EDIT: Since Jason confirmed in his post below that Rufio's entrance music is on another track it seems Pick 'Em Up is Pan Is Challenged.

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No "When You're Alone" instrumental version???

It's one of my favourite pieces of music of all time.. oh man, that sucks.

I know, I know, glass half empty...

[Romão]

John Williams did not include that insert flourish in the concert suite of the Never Feas either, so he clearly prefers the track to flow as it was originally written

[Jason LeBlanc]

Now I wonder what this is:

10 Prologue (alternate)* 1:35

It's an alternate version of the Prologue!






Seriously, it's simliar to the trailer music we all know and love but...... different!

I just want to know if the Never Feast has the Food Appears Insert or not

It does not.

I wonder whether the sound quality here is (noticeably) superior to the OS album...

I think the previously unreleased cues sound BETTER than the OST

10 The Arrival Of Tink/The Flight To Neverland** 6:03

I guess this is the film version.

It is

Anybody really stupid enough to throw away their original Epic album just because this one came out?

There are actually TWO bits on the OST that aren't on the new set, so hold onto it! (Not to mention the OST has that cool picture of the deleted rowboat scene

I am guessing You Are the Pan contains the choir mix of the Face of Pan music and thus is marked contains previously unreleased music.

Correct

-i thought in other releases they kept the original cue names, here they didn't.

Nope, they didn't. And they are surprisingly similar to the names chosen for the Concorde bootleg. Since Didier C Deutsch was the producer of this release, I assume he is the one who chose all the titles. I should have asked him when I interviewed him

-You are the pan: again the 2 cues together and not seperately in chronological order..

All OST tracks were retained. Therefore Granny Wendy and Hook-napped each feature 2 cues out of chronological order like always as well.

-the entrance of rufio is missing or is part of "from mermaids to lost boys"?

It's in "From Mermaids To Lost Boys"

-Missing the end of hook cue?

That cue starts in "Sword Fight" and ends in "Farewell Neverland"

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Anybody really stupid enough to throw away their original Epic album just because this one came out?

There are actually TWO bits on the OST that aren't on the new set, so hold onto it! (Not to mention the OST has that cool picture of the deleted rowboat scene

You Are The Pan Album Version and Flight to Neverland Album Version?

[Jason LeBlanc]

Anyknow know what this is?

Exit Music (unused) * 1:42

It is Williams original intended ending to the End Credits. In the final film, it was replaced by music tracked from Tink's Arrival and "Farewell Neverland"

Interesting to see Hook's Blues, referring to the scene where he tries to commit suicide, in the bonus material section. This could be the "repetetive material" Williams did not present in the listening experience. I am glad it still found its way into this set though.

Yes, it is that scene and yes, I suspect it was moved from the main program to the bonus track section at Williams' request

And I wonder if Hook-Napped will be presented in the reversed order as on the OST.

Indeed they are still reversed.

The length of SMEE'S PLAN suggests that it's paired with HOOK'S BLUES, while the alternate just is another version.

No. There's only one version of "Hook's Blues". The extra length in "Smee's Plan" refers to the fact that the "Believe Your Eyes" cue has been added to the track.

some music for deleted footage they alluded to in the interview.

Both deleted scene cues are on the new set.

Pick 'Em Up (Pan's training montage underscore) is not on the release I suppose.

It is not.

The End of Hook should appear at the end of Swordfight, right? Or is it at the beginning of Farewell Neverland? It's the only piece I can't account for here, but the 5 minutes of the swordfight would be my bet.

It begins in Sword Fight, and ends in "Farewell Neverland".

well, so "no more Hook"-music is included in swordfight, and the unreleased "Farewell"music is something we don't know... or is it the Never-Feast Insert?

The "No More Hook" portion of the "The End Of Hook" cue is included in "Farewell Neverland"