The Never-Feast appears to be the old album version.
Crap. Sorry to start the bitching already, but this was perhaps the expansion I was most looking forward to.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:06 AM
Crap. Sorry to start the bitching already, but this was perhaps the expansion I was most looking forward to.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:08 AM
What could the Farewell Neverland unreleased music be? Does anybody have any idea?
Could be the album version that is basically just pitched shifted and a bit slower than the actual piece.Now I wonder what this is:
10 Prologue (alternate)* 1:35
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:09 AM
Could be the album version that is basically just pitched shifted and a bit slower than the actual piece.
Now I wonder what this is:
10 Prologue (alternate)* 1:35
You serious? Why would they include something like that?
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:09 AM
What could the Farewell Neverland unreleased music be? Does anybody have any idea?
IMHO it has the "No More Hook!" tacked at the beginning.
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"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:11 AM
I am hoping I am wrong though.
Could be the album version that is basically just pitched shifted and a bit slower than the actual piece.
Now I wonder what this is:
10 Prologue (alternate)* 1:35
You serious? Why would they include something like that?
To paraphrase Mr. Arnold from Jurassic Park on this release: It could have been worse John. A lot worse.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:13 AM
I bet it's something completely different, though! An alternate version that JW wrote for the trailer perhaps...
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:14 AM
Oh and look, Banning Back Home Film Version is on the release! Wohoo!!!
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:15 AM
Looks like it's not strictly chronological as well (not a huge problem, frankly).
"It's still baffling to me. I sit down with a pencil and a piece of paper and do my best... The remarkable thing is that my music is heard by billions of people." --John Williams
"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:16 AM
Anyknow know what this is?
Exit Music (unused) * 1:42
Exit Music (unused) * 1:42
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:17 AM
It is an unused piece (heard on various bootlegs though) which I can only speculate to be the original ending of the End Credits or something similar. It contains a beautiful variation on the Neverland Theme. Comments Mr. Takis, Mr. LeBlanc, our resident experts?Anyknow know what this is?
Exit Music (unused) * 1:42
In this day and age a minuscule inconvenience easily corrected.Looks like it's not strictly chronological as well (not a huge problem, frankly).
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:21 AM
Yes, it's Williams' intended end credits close. The original plan was to have "End Credit" (i.e. the Childhood orchestral variation) segued by "Lost Boy Ballet" with pick-up ending segued then by "Exit Music".
"It's still baffling to me. I sit down with a pencil and a piece of paper and do my best... The remarkable thing is that my music is heard by billions of people." --John Williams
"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:24 AM
In this day and age a minuscule inconvenience easily corrected.
Indeed! If anything, it adds something to the score as a whole. "The vision of the composer," as it were.
The chronological order... that's really no big deal. You just watch the movie, there you have it!
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:27 AM
Interesting to see Hook's Blues, referring to the scene where he tries to commit suicide, in the bonus material section. This could be the "repetetive material" Williams did not present in the listening experience. I am glad it still found its way into this set though.
And I wonder if Hook-Napped will be presented in the reversed order as on the OST.
All in all I have to say I am thrilled and can't wait to order and have this in my hands.
And I wonder if Hook-Napped will be presented in the reversed order as on the OST.
All in all I have to say I am thrilled and can't wait to order and have this in my hands.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:29 AM
So can anybody tell (or guess) by looking at the track list, which pieces didn't make it on this relase?
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:33 AM
Interesting to see Hook's Blues, referring to the scene where he tries to commit suicide, in the bonus material section. This could be the "repetetive material" Williams did not present in the listening experience. I am glad it still found its way into this set though.
The length of SMEE'S PLAN suggests that it's paired with HOOK'S BLUES, while the alternate just is another version.
You wouldn't see a subtle plan if it painted itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord, singing "Subtle Plans Are Here Again."
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:34 AM
Some source music like Take Me Out To The Ballgame, and the Christmas carol in the beginning of the film.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:38 AM
So can anybody tell (or guess) by looking at the track list, which pieces didn't make it on this relase?
Journey To The Island - Alternate Version
Wait, what?
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:38 AM
The alternate glockenspiel from ARRIVAL OF TINK (forgettable), the Disneyesque food insert and some music for deleted footage they alluded to in the interview.
Since this sucker is an overlong beast, anyway, nothing to be too worried about.
Since this sucker is an overlong beast, anyway, nothing to be too worried about.
You wouldn't see a subtle plan if it painted itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord, singing "Subtle Plans Are Here Again."
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:40 AM
Some source music like Take Me Out To The Ballgame, and the Christmas carol in the beginning of the film.
Oh yeah, no source material! Huh.
Oh well.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:43 AM
the Disneyesque food insert and some music for deleted footage they alluded to in the interview.
Are you sure?
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:46 AM
Well, missing music still or not, I am excited for this to be sure and I can't wait to order. Either way, we have more music that has never appeared on any bootleg, and even the stuff that has, it's going to sound way better, I imagine.
In honor of today... let us watch this:
Either way, we have more music that has never appeared on any bootleg, and even the stuff that has, it's going to sound way better, I imagine.In honor of today... let us watch this:
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:47 AM
Pick 'Em Up (Pan's training montage underscore) is not on the release I suppose.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:48 AM
Well, missing music still or not, I am excited for this to be sure and I can't wait to order.
Yep, that's for sure! Already one of the best releases, in my book.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:49 AM
Those are not even composed by John Williams. While the completist in me whispers that it would have been nice to get ALL the music, this source stuff is not remotely important.Some source music like Take Me Out To The Ballgame, and the Christmas carol in the beginning of the film.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:50 AM
Pick 'Em Up (Pan's training montage underscore) is not on the release I suppose.
Might that song not still be included in one of the longer tracks?
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:52 AM
Well, to me the Food Insert was always the single most important moment missing from the OST, if I had to pinpoint just one .So to me it is a big deal
To put in in perspective, it's about the same as the opening of the ToD End Credits (the short round/Indy theme interpolation) missing from the Concord Box Set. Only a small section of music, yet so important
To put in in perspective, it's about the same as the opening of the ToD End Credits (the short round/Indy theme interpolation) missing from the Concord Box Set. Only a small section of music, yet so important
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 09:58 AM
Well, to me the Food Insert was always the single most important moment missing from the OST, if I had to pinpoint just one .So to me it is a big deal
so it's a shame it's not on this release and the only clean source will always be the Concorde bootleg
At this point, can we tell with a 100% certainty that it's not on this release, though?
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 10:05 AM
The End of Hook should appear at the end of Swordfight, right? Or is it at the beginning of Farewell Neverland? It's the only piece I can't account for here, but the 5 minutes of the swordfight would be my bet.
This piece is about the push and pull of the orchestra. Everyone playing together, making it work, finding out what the important bits are...Of course, we all know that's the trombone part...
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Yeah, if you compare the track times with the list here and the OST, it is definitely not there. However, I for one am very happy we have the film version of Flight to Neverland now (that ending was always so much better), and on CD2 we have the film version of Presenting The Hook which I presume has that music where Tink attacks the pirates shortly after their arrival. I agree that I am a little dissapointed not having that insert, though. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't heh. But see, this is why I am glad to see this before actually getting it in the mail and playing it, so I don't get more dissapointed and overreact like I have when getting other things, haha.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 10:06 AM
Yes I believe it will be there. A logical conclusion to the whole duel. And as Maurizio speculated the No More Hook piece is put together with Farewell to Neverland.The End of Hook should appear at the end of Swordfight, right? Or is it at the beginning of Farewell Neverland? It's the only piece I can't account for here, but the 5 minutes of the swordfight would be my bet.
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 10:12 AM
At this point, can we tell with a 100% certainty that it's not on this release, though?
If its not, then it would be the greatest failure since not including Fortune and Glory....
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 10:15 AM
Are you just saying that sarcastically?
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 10:15 AM
Hasn't Jason stated 1000times in the near past, that there is NO single Cue called "No more Hook" but that this music is the end of Swordfight?!? (with music dialed out inbetween in the film, so it always appeared to us as seperate cue..)
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 10:16 AM
yes
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 10:17 AM
Yes but how they might have edited that cue on this album another matter. Otherwise it leaves the question of what is the new unreleased music in Farewell to Neverland.Hasn't Jason stated 1000times in the near past, that there is NO single Cue called "No more Hook" but that this music is the end of Swordfight?!? (with music dialed out inbetween in the film, so it always appeared to us as seperate cue..)
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 10:17 AM
And here we are again, obsessing over the music that's NOT included instead of the music that IS, and the album has not even been released yet! 
Flashback to the "Indiana Jones Concord" set!
Flashback to the "Indiana Jones Concord" set!
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 10:18 AM
Yes. Although discussing and speculating about potential music on or left off the album is part of the fun.And here we are again, obsessing over the music that's NOT included instead of the music that IS, and the album has not even been released yet!
Flashback to the "Indiana Jones Concord" set!
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 10:19 AM
well, so "no more Hook"-music is included in swordfight, and the unreleased "Farewell"music is something we don't know... or is it the Never-Feast Insert? 
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Brink: I don't care if you have to cut off my hand, just don't leave me to die here!
Maggie Robbins: Don't be so dramatic Brink; nobody is going to cut off your hand.
Boston Low: Don't make promises you might not be able to keep Maggie
Brink: I don't care if you have to cut off my hand, just don't leave me to die here!
Maggie Robbins: Don't be so dramatic Brink; nobody is going to cut off your hand.
Boston Low: Don't make promises you might not be able to keep Maggie
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 10:22 AM
I think that by speculating on the track list alone we will be very confused and bewildered before anyone here has even gotten a chance to hear a note of the music. The following days and weeks will be hell.
Ars superior est vita hominum.
"We pop out and come into the world and music is there. We didn't invent it - it's all organised in the atmosphere by divinity or whatever. It's a miracle." - John Williams-
I think music is a stream of some kind. It could be blood. It could be water. It could be ether. Whatever it is it seems to be a living, organic force that’s in motion, that serves humanity and is part of humanity and part of what describes us as humans. We sing, play, dance, all the things that we do. And there is a vibrant and great literature we have been given. ... As musicians, we join the stream. We swim in the stream with all the other millions of music makers. It’s a life force, a strong one, surrounding us and we are part of it. -John Williams-
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Posted 27 March 2012 - 10:23 AM
Sometimes I wonder what some people here spend more energy on: listening to the music that's actually there or complaining about the music that's not!
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