Criticizing Ultimate War?!? Why don't we start bitching about Desert Chase and Adventures on Earth while we're at it. Sigh.
La-La Land Records' HOOK (2CD Expanded) Anticipation thread
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 05:16 PM
And I do think you're awefully negative/ critical lol
Of all things, i never expected BANNING BACK HOME to trigger that reaction. But i had it coming after ill-speaking about compulsive hoarders of INDIANA JONES memorabilia.
On the bright side, i just discovered John Barry's THE LAST VALLEY and enjoy the heck out of it!
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 05:29 PM
Criticizing Ultimate War?!? Why don't we start bitching about Desert Chase and Adventures on Earth while we're at it. Sigh.
I think the contiguous 30 minute chunk of music starting with "Tink Grows Up" and ending with the end of the end credits is the pinnacle of John Williams scoring career. So there!
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 05:36 PM
at least those are great pieces of music from great films.Criticizing Ultimate War?!? Why don't we start bitching about Desert Chase and Adventures on Earth while we're at it. Sigh.
OH God, Joe is posting again, someone hand me my pills!
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 05:53 PM
Criticizing Ultimate War?!? Why don't we start bitching about Desert Chase and Adventures on Earth while we're at it. Sigh.
I think the contiguous 30 minute chunk of music starting with "Tink Grows Up" and ending with the end of the end credits is the pinnacle of John Williams scoring career. So there!
Good, I'm not crazy, then.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:07 PM
It's sad when a lousy movie taints a great score in some people's eyes. It's wonderful, however, when these people won't buy that score, leaving one more for someone who will appreciate it.
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:27 PM
It's sad when a lousy movie taints a great score in some people's eyes. It's wonderful, however, when these people won't buy that score, leaving one more for someone who will appreciate it.
I wouldn't count on that. The SOLD OUT button looms large on HOOK, even now.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:29 PM
Be that as it may.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:36 PM
I dont think 5,000 copies will even last 24 hours
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 06:43 PM
Anyone know where should I order it from so I don't get awfully robbed by shipping costs?
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 07:56 PM
It's impossible to answer that question without knowing what country you live in.
However, you'll only have 5 choices anyway:
http://www.lalalandrecords.com/
http://www.moviemusic.com/
http://www.screenarchives.com/
http://www.intrada.com/
http://www.buysoundtrax.com/
You could read the international shipping rates policies on all their websites now to prepare to a month from now.
However, you'll only have 5 choices anyway:
http://www.lalalandrecords.com/
http://www.moviemusic.com/
http://www.screenarchives.com/
http://www.intrada.com/
http://www.buysoundtrax.com/
You could read the international shipping rates policies on all their websites now to prepare to a month from now.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 07:57 PM
I dont think 5,000 copies will even last 24 hours
I'll be surprised if it's not sold out within a week. All though it took a month or so for Star Trek V to sell out but Hook is a bit more popular than Star Trek V.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:00 PM
The problem is that probably 40% of the copies sold will be to people hoarding extra copies to re-sell for double, triple, quadruple the retail price. And it will work.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:01 PM
Is 1941 sold out?
Why don't they put limit to 1 per customer for the first week or so
Why don't they put limit to 1 per customer for the first week or so
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:05 PM
It'd be a great idea 
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. And yes, 1941 is sold out.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:06 PM
I mean even if I buy 2 copies and I can re-sell it for double eventually. What a fucking waste of time
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:08 PM
The problem is that probably 40% of the copies sold will be to people hoarding extra copies to re-sell for double, triple, quadruple the retail price. And it will work.
Good point. Unless if it's retailers IE: SAE, MovieMusic, Intrada and such then they should limit the number of copies for people to buy.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:11 PM
The problem is that probably 40% of the copies sold will be to people hoarding extra copies to re-sell for double, triple, quadruple the retail price. And it will work.
It's called free market. And it's what made Western civilisation great!
Why don't they put limit to 1 per customer for the first week or so
That's exactly the type of Government Regulation that is strangling businesses!
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:17 PM
Is 1941 sold out?
Why don't they put limit to 1 per customer for the first week or so
1941 sold out in 24 days....
http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=20407&view=findpost&p=758153
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:20 PM
Well as long as Hook doesn't sell out in 30 minutes I should get a copy
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:21 PM
I usually order these releases with Miguel, since we live very close to each other and save on shipping costs. Limiting one per customer would suck
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:23 PM
The thing that surprises me is that LLL doesn't do what Intrada does and re-press titles that sell out quickly.
They'd get immediate returns on their investment by re-licensing 1941, Commando, Poseidon Adventure, Star Trek 5, DIe Hard, soon Hook, etc.
Just not part of their ideology I guess
They'd get immediate returns on their investment by re-licensing 1941, Commando, Poseidon Adventure, Star Trek 5, DIe Hard, soon Hook, etc.
Just not part of their ideology I guess
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:25 PM
Limiting one per customer would suck
It would be nothing less then Communism!
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 08:38 PM
They should never limit the purchases to one per customer, regardless of how unfair it is if you end up not getting one. The purchase of items should only ever be limited by the money in your pocket and the goods in the warehouse.
Besides, if you buy your maximum 1 album at LLR, your max 1 at BSX, your max 1 at SAE, and your max 1 at MovieMusic -- for a grand total of four albums -- how has limiting your purchase stopped the speculators? It only made them work a bit harder, and their end result of a high markup is still just as rewarding.
And don't tell me that LLR, BSX, SAE, MM, Intrada, and VS are going to team together to verify email addresses, shipping addresses, and/or credit cards to make sure that people don't do what I just described.
Besides, if you buy your maximum 1 album at LLR, your max 1 at BSX, your max 1 at SAE, and your max 1 at MovieMusic -- for a grand total of four albums -- how has limiting your purchase stopped the speculators? It only made them work a bit harder, and their end result of a high markup is still just as rewarding.
And don't tell me that LLR, BSX, SAE, MM, Intrada, and VS are going to team together to verify email addresses, shipping addresses, and/or credit cards to make sure that people don't do what I just described.
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:12 PM
It will sell out quickly for sure, but even if limited at 5,000 copies I don't think it will be burned out in less than 24 hrs. Intrada's Back to the Future - which was even more sought-after than Hook - sold the first batch of copies in a couple of days if I remember well.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:18 PM
But that was because customers knew it would be virtually unlimited. If there was a fear that it would sell out soon, then it would've sold the first 5000 a lot faster.It will sell out quickly for sure, but even if limited at 5,000 copies I don't think it will be burned out in less than 24 hrs. Intrada's Back to the Future - which was even more sought-after than Hook - sold the first batch of copies in a couple of days if I remember well.
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Posted 24 February 2012 - 09:22 PM
1 per customer wouldn't completely solve the problem of course. But it would help.
In the end there will be copies of Hook selling on ebay and amazon for over $100 for the next 20 years (or until whenever the next label licenses it is)
In the end there will be copies of Hook selling on ebay and amazon for over $100 for the next 20 years (or until whenever the next label licenses it is)
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Gulp! Now that's what I'm talking about! Thanks so much LLL.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:09 AM
Yeah and I still think this is very stupid.It's sad when a lousy movie taints a great score in some people's eyes.
As for me, I love both the movie and the score! This is some of the earliest Williams and Spielberg I ever remember being exposed to. My mother took my brother and I to see it. It was a perfect kind of fantasy adventure movie for kids. I still remember the end sword fight with the big fanfare in the score, and the crocodile falling on Hook. So awesome.
It's some of JW's most important unreleased material, of not the most important.
The bootlegs generally sounded terrible (there are a couple okay-sounding tracks you can keep in your rotation). I have spent the years listening to the unreleased music through the DVD. Even amid the sound effects and dialogue, the score really shines.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:20 AM
Oh, thanks. I wasn't aware of the later twoIt's impossible to answer that question without knowing what country you live in.
However, you'll only have 5 choices anyway:
http://www.lalalandrecords.com/
http://www.moviemusic.com/
http://www.screenarchives.com/
http://www.intrada.com/
http://www.buysoundtrax.com/
You could read the international shipping rates policies on all their websites now to prepare to a month from now.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:31 AM
Based on past experience from reading from other posts...maybe best to avoid BuySoundtrax (BSX) unless it's your absolute last resort..
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:02 AM
A limit on the number of copies you can order would suck since I am going to order myself one and another to a friend who loves this particular JW score.
And yeah BSX is perhaps the last resort from Jason's list. Others are reliable, get their copies moving relatively fast after ordering and have the score on sale on their site pretty much immediately after they come on sale at LLL.
And yeah BSX is perhaps the last resort from Jason's list. Others are reliable, get their copies moving relatively fast after ordering and have the score on sale on their site pretty much immediately after they come on sale at LLL.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:10 AM
I plan on pairing this with Star Trek VI and Batman Forever to get the $1 shipping from MovieMusic.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 06:39 AM
Chaac,
Just by chance what part of the world do you live in?
Just by chance what part of the world do you live in?
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The thing that surprises me is that LLL doesn't do what Intrada does and re-press titles that sell out quickly.
They'd get immediate returns on their investment by re-licensing 1941, Commando, Poseidon Adventure, Star Trek 5, DIe Hard, soon Hook, etc.
Just not part of their ideology I guess
This might answer your question (keywords being 'finished goods manufacturing deals'): http://filmscoremont...articleID/6785/
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 09:19 AM
Wow, so they really can't repress their Warner titles at the time of this writing? Looks like I better go order Poltergeist now...
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 10:21 AM
It's a part of Warner's sexual repression where they feel no-one else can have these titles but them.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 10:56 AM
The problem is that probably 40% of the copies sold will be to people hoarding extra copies to re-sell for double, triple, quadruple the retail price. And it will work.
It's called free market. And it's what made Western civilisation great!
Thanks Ford.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 10:58 AM
Schindler's Workforce also sounds surprisingly similar to the piece used in the original trailer...
Woijiech Kilar's Exodus.
I usually prefer his one-character pose sheets to his gang of floating heads.
The decision on composition is taken by the studios, don't blame him.
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Posted 25 February 2012 - 11:54 AM
Okay, just wanted to tell you guys... I just saw Hook again, for the second time in my life (the last time was like 18 years ago when I was 10)!
And my verdict?
The movie is really atrociously and unspeakably bad, especially the "Ultimate War" part... unless, I guess, you are a kid between the ages of 3 and 10. I don't even wanna start talking about the choreography of that part of the movie (what choreograohy?). It's really hard to believe that the director is the same guy who directed Schindler's List 3 years later.
That said, the score was magnificent! Undoubtedly the best thing about the movie. I didn't find many "unreleased highlights" though, except the "Ultimate War" part. I guess most of the good stuff is already on the OS album. Still, it will be nice to have all the variations of the themes and every cue written for the film.
Will it be limited to 5,000 copies???
And my verdict?
The movie is really atrociously and unspeakably bad, especially the "Ultimate War" part... unless, I guess, you are a kid between the ages of 3 and 10. I don't even wanna start talking about the choreography of that part of the movie (what choreograohy?). It's really hard to believe that the director is the same guy who directed Schindler's List 3 years later.
That said, the score was magnificent! Undoubtedly the best thing about the movie. I didn't find many "unreleased highlights" though, except the "Ultimate War" part. I guess most of the good stuff is already on the OS album. Still, it will be nice to have all the variations of the themes and every cue written for the film.
I dont think 5,000 copies will even last 24 hours
Will it be limited to 5,000 copies???
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