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#1 Josh500

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:20 PM

In anticipation of the release of the "Expanded Hook"... :)

I am not talking about entire tracks or pieces, but brilliant moments, since there are so many of them on this wonderful album. Give us the time stamp, if you can, and tell us why you like this section so much, why you think it's so freaking brilliant!

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:23 PM

I like the opening of prologue, till the closing of "Farewell, Neverland!"

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:28 PM

Some that I like (not the most spectacular moments, but little things that caught my attention):

The fiddle section in "Presenting the Hook" (1:40-2:10): so piratey... this might be the precursor to that "fiddle section" in HP:PS, you know what I mean! Hehe.

The track "Hook-Napped" is one fantastic track, made up of two cues... I like 0:50-1:12 especially! So dramatic, menacing, masterfully orchestrated!

In fact some of these moments are very reminiscent of "Tintin"...!

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:28 PM

The Main theme, as used in the banquet is a great rendition, and I love, abosultely love the portion of the never-feast as heard at 1:41-1:52

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:31 PM

Remembering Childhood, 8:47. Do I really need to say why?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9Zi1KpQjTg

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:32 PM

In "Hook-Napped" I also like the section from 2:15 onward... when those strings kick in, as if from far away! Conjures up images of the high sea. So mysterious and atmospheric.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:36 PM

The entire cue is outstanding. It drips with atmosphere and swashbuckling mischief.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:43 PM

"The Flight to Neverland" also has some wonderful and brilliant moments! When "Tinkerbell's Theme" starts at 1:54... and at 2:31 when those strings go up and down, almost drunkenly. The music here is not just mysterious, you see, but it captures that "have I completely lost my mind and even if I have does it matter because what I am looking at is so freaking beautiful" kind of sense perfectly!

The entire cue is outstanding. It drips with atmosphere and swashbuckling mischief.


Yes indeed! One of the hidden treasures on the album, I'd say. Normally people don't mention this track as one of their favorites... "Prologue," You are the Pan," "The Ultimate War," and "The Arrival of Tink and the Flight to Neverland," sure, but not this one.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:56 PM

The women's chorus in From Mermaids to Lost Boys singing the Neverland Theme. Such beautiful impressionistic music for the underwater world in the spirit of Debussy and the like.

The choral music in Farewell to Neverland. Williams seems to be so in tune with the feel of the scene. It is soundpainting at its best, the slightly blueish tint of the moment captured perfectly in the score. Also the magical flute solo in the same track beginning at 4:14 as Peter sees the statue of Pan in Hyde Park as he wakes up. One of the most magical moments of music I have ever heard.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:01 PM

Yes, the choir moments are some of the most ethereal, emotional, and beautiful moments (as opposed to the loud and swashbuckling or comic action cues)!

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:09 PM

Also, may I just say that Tinkerbell's theme is one of Williams' most underrated pitch-perfect themes he's ever written. Nobody ever talks about it, but that piece of music would've suited the character of Harry Potter even better than his own theme did. Development-wise, it's wonderful.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:09 PM

The strings, woodwinds and brass in Hook-napped? Man, what a classic JW cue. That part just after the pause (in the movie, when Wendy faints) that sounds so much like the future Hedwig's theme is bone-chilling.

This entire score is momentous. Better play the hell out of the album while it's still necessary.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:12 PM

Also, may I just say that Tinkerbell's theme is one of Williams' most underrated pitch-perfect themes he's ever written. Nobody ever talks about it, but that piece of music would've suited the character of Harry Potter even better than his own theme did. Development-wise, it's wonderful.

Absolutely. I think it is easy to forget some of these pitch perfect themes since this man writes them so often with such clarity and skill. Tinkerbell's theme is particularly spot perfect though. It is inseparable from the character so that it feels like neither could exist without the other.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:16 PM

Also, may I just say that Tinkerbell's theme is one of Williams' most underrated pitch-perfect themes he's ever written. Nobody ever talks about it, but that piece of music would've suited the character of Harry Potter even better than his own theme did. Development-wise, it's wonderful.


Yes, agreed!

Although I am not sure about this theme being more suited to HP than his own theme... This theme has a somewhat ethereal, fragile, and mythical quality about it, might be somewhat too tame for a boy wizard out on a magical adventure, in my book. It's perfect for Tinkerbell, though!

This entire score is momentous. Better play the hell out of the album while it's still necessary.


Yep. Just my thought! ;)

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:38 PM

I always loved this:

http://www.youtube.c...Bi7WC1xk#t=556s
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:40 PM

I always loved this:

http://www.youtube.c...Bi7WC1xk#t=556s


Agreed!

What is this theme called, by the way? What does it represent?

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:51 PM

It's a one-off ending motif.

The family is reunited, Peter has seen the light and is thrilled to live the awfully big adventure. Williams summed it up pretty well musically, no?

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:52 PM

It's a one-off ending motif.


It only plays at the end?

Now, I am pretty sure it represents something... even if it's Peter Pan's Theme No. 3! :P

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:55 PM

Actually, you're right. When the kids are lost. You hear it briefly when Tootles looks out the window and before Wendy shows the book. So it's like the family's theme.

Does this score have the greatest number of themes/motifs ever in a Williams score?

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:57 PM

The family is reunited, Peter has seen the light and is thrilled to live the awfully big adventure. Williams summed it up pretty well musically, no?


The entire score is a masterpiece, period. :)

Actually, you're right. When the kids are lost. You hear it briefly when Tootles looks out the window. So it's like the family's theme.


Ah yes. The "Family Theme."

Kinda like the "Friendship Theme" in HP..

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 08:08 PM

The opening passages of "The Ultimate War" is one of the many moments from that score that will never get old.

The more I think about it, Hook is probably my favorite score of all time.
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 08:09 PM

The end of "Flight to Neverland" (OST version) when we first hear Neverland's Theme.
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 08:11 PM

Does this score have the greatest number of themes/motifs ever in a Williams score?


If it doesn't, it surely has the greatest number of consistently high quality ones ;)

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 08:13 PM

ESB may still have more. And it surely is a better score.
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 08:13 PM

The end of "Flight to Neverland" (OST version) when we first hear Neverland's Theme.


I prefer the film version.
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 08:16 PM

Revenge of the Sith probably has the most themes. But if you only count ones written for that specific film, then probably Hook. Maybe Sorcerer's Stone.
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 08:16 PM


The end of "Flight to Neverland" (OST version) when we first hear Neverland's Theme.


I prefer the film version.


Me too. The album track was a big letdown.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:03 PM

The film version of The Never-Feast, with its extended buildup to the Banquet theme. I love that bit so much.
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:35 PM

The choral music in Farewell to Neverland. Williams seems to be so in tune with the feel of the scene. It is soundpainting at its best, the slightly blueish tint of the moment captured perfectly in the score. Also the magical flute solo in the same track beginning at 4:14 as Peter sees the statue of Pan in Hyde Park as he wakes up. One of the most magical moments of music I have ever heard.


Great one indeed, Mikko.

I also love that little moment when Peter goes to the nursery and stares and the painting with the pirate ship and we heard Hook's seconday theme. So evocative, such a feeling of danger and adventures up ahead
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:45 PM

There is a friggin brilliant 70+ minute long moment on this disc.




Nah, it's not THAT good. ;)

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:46 PM

The best part of the score is clearly when the kids say "Yuck!" at the end of "We Wanna Be Like Peter Pan."
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:48 PM

Farewell Neverland, 9:07 - end

I love this theme - there's something so magically 'definitive' about it, like you can tell the journey is over with a happy ending.

You Are the Pan

1:48 - 2:20 - one of the most moving melodies I think he's ever written.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:50 PM

It is, but Agnes of God took the cream off it a little for me. Still lovely though.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 11:49 PM

The choral music in Farewell to Neverland. Williams seems to be so in tune with the feel of the scene. It is soundpainting at its best, the slightly blueish tint of the moment captured perfectly in the score. Also the magical flute solo in the same track beginning at 4:14 as Peter sees the statue of Pan in Hyde Park as he wakes up. One of the most magical moments of music I have ever heard.


Oh I used this SO many years as a background music while putting the kids sleep. There is something magical in the choral parts there and it always worked: I fell asleep first...

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 05:04 AM


The choral music in Farewell to Neverland. Williams seems to be so in tune with the feel of the scene. It is soundpainting at its best, the slightly blueish tint of the moment captured perfectly in the score. Also the magical flute solo in the same track beginning at 4:14 as Peter sees the statue of Pan in Hyde Park as he wakes up. One of the most magical moments of music I have ever heard.


Great one indeed, Mikko.

I also love that little moment when Peter goes to the nursery and stares and the painting with the pirate ship and we heard Hook's seconday theme. So evocative, such a feeling of danger and adventures up ahead

Oh I love that small cue (it is not on the album though). Another absolutely evocative moment where Williams succeeds in capturing multiple hues of the scene at once, the old memories, the unsettling feel, the seafaring.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:23 AM

I've been listening to this album a lot these past few days, and I keep discovering new things!

In the last track "Farewell" I absolutely love the gorgeous flute solos, starting at 4:15 and then again at 5:45! How come I never noticed those before?

Amazing how Williams always seems to come up with the right tone: these sound somewhat disillusioned, heartbreaking, and yet slightly magical... as if a remnant of Neverland is still left in the air... as we soon find out, as Tinkerbell shows up between these 2 solo renditions.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:35 AM

"Banning Back Home", is stil my favourite cue.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 12:44 PM

I just saw Incanus already mentioned one of the scenes I was talking about...

The choral music in Farewell to Neverland. Williams seems to be so in tune with the feel of the scene. It is soundpainting at its best, the slightly blueish tint of the moment captured perfectly in the score. Also the magical flute solo in the same track beginning at 4:14 as Peter sees the statue of Pan in Hyde Park as he wakes up. One of the most magical moments of music I have ever heard.



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Posted 28 February 2012 - 08:31 AM

"Banning Back Home", is stil my favourite cue.


This is good, but compared to the other tracks... urghhhh!

Also, I can't really listen to the second track and that song sung by the little girl. Well, I can, but these are not my favorites, is what I am saying.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 08:46 AM

The flute writing in "The Lost Boy Chase".




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