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[BloodBoal]

OK, now that the Oscars 2012 are long behind us, it is time ot think about 2013, and the duel of the fates that will take place during that year.

Now, as odd as this may seem, there are a lot of John Williams fans around here, but I know there are also a lot of Howard Shore fans (KM and Data, among others), and there are many who are both JW and HS fans. This is why I was wondering: who would they want to see winning this year?

I know some of you might say: "But we haven't even listened to the scores yet!", to which I'll answer: "As Stiff would say, who wants to listen to the music first before forming an opinion on a score?" (and we did have a little "preview" of Shore's score )
And don't go all: "But what about Silvestri's Avengers score? Giacchino's John Carter? Horner's Amazing Spider-Man? And Howard's Hunger Games? And Trent Razor and Atticus 'William' Ross' Washing Machine score?" Come on, give me a break! They don't stand a fucking chance in front of those two titans that are Williams and Shore!

So, the question is simple: who will you stand with? The old man, or the other old man?

Vote now, or find yourself another poll!

[Alexander]

Howard Shore!

[Stefancos]

Howard Shore.

[KK.]

I'm going to stick with the old man whose not as old as the older man amongst the two. As much as I love the old man whose older than the other old man, Lincoln simply doesn't demand the kind of scope of the potential epic stature that The Hobbit suggests. I LOVE both old men (and the older one is my favourite composer too), but I think the younger old man will win in this case.

Obviously we shouldn't really be judging atm, but if we were to take sides, I'm placing my bet on the Hobbit. But you knew that

[Ricard]

Williams will finally win his 6th oscar in 2013

I know there are also a lot of Howard Shore fans

Don't you mean LOTR fans?

[Stefancos]

Williams will finally win his 6th oscar in 2013

Delusional!

After last week I have no more hope.

[Joe Brausam]

I'd like it to be Williams - but I could see it going to Shore. And if The Hobbit is good then I'll have no qualms.

[Richard Penna]

Shore.

But of course, the real question is which foreign-named composer will win. Any silent movies coming out this year?

[Chaac]

I don't care anymore.

[indy4]

These are pretty much the two most anticipated scores for me, but I'm more excited/expecting something better for Lincoln. This will certainly be a good chance for Williams to win. It'll be his only score for the year, so no vote splitting. As far as I know there aren't any silent movies or movies about the Holocaust being produced. The Hobbit will probably be nominated, but I can't see the Academy giving him the award after he's already won 2 for LotR, even if it's deserving. Plus The Hobbit will be much more lighthearted, and those scores don't always do well.

[Quint]

I'd be happy for either to walk away with the statuette. Shore is most likely to deliver the finer score, but it'd also be nice to see Williams awarded perhaps for the final time in his career.

Film-wise, I couldn't give a crap about Lincoln.

[chuckster312]

Was there a thread solely for Howard shore here?

[Alexander]

Was there a thread solely for Howard shore here?

Well, now there is.

[chuckster312]

Well here's a sneak peek of Howard Shore's The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey:

[king mark]

Neither is gonna win

It has to be a gimmick score associated to a movie the academy loves , and there's plenty of time for one to pop up

[chuckster312]

Don't forget, Hans Zimmer might come up something that might be actually be a strong contender...

[Marcus]

I dearly, dearly hope Williams wins for Lincoln. And I think it would be poetic in a way, since both Abraham Lincoln and John Williams are such icons of American culture.

[Chaac]

Film-wise, I couldn't give a crap about Lincoln.

Sadly I feel the same way.

First War Horse, then Lincoln, then Robopocalypse, and the one project that seemed interesting is nowhere to be found.

[alicebrallice]

howard shore. the lotr score was the first film music I actually sat down and listened to! and from what I can hear, the little preview of the hobbit score comes close to the lotr-epicness. can't waaaait!

[Stefancos]

Even chicks dig Da Shore!

[Pasi Tiitinen]

Meh, that choir of fagots sounds boring.


I think Hugo should have won over The Artist. Of course there was couple of better scores than Hugo nominated though.

[dfenton85]

Meh, that choir of fagots sounds boring.

[indy4]

Wow, Lincoln is doing better on the FSM poll (tied in first place) than it is on the JWFan poll. Nothing wrong with that, but it's weird.

indy4 - celebrating my 15000th post!

[Pasi Tiitinen]

Meh, that choir of fagots sounds boring.

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Well it gives me indescribable satisfaction to say something that stupid just to shatter
the consensus "how godlike LOTR and Jerry Goldsmith are".

Wow, Lincoln is doing better on the FSM poll (tied in first place) than it is on the JWFan poll. Nothing wrong with that, but it's weird.

indy4 - celebrating my 15000th post!

Congratulations!!

And you are right, weird it is.

[KK.]

These are pretty much the two most anticipated scores for me, but I'm more excited/expecting something better for Lincoln. This will certainly be a good chance for Williams to win. It'll be his only score for the year, so no vote splitting. As far as I know there aren't any silent movies or movies about the Holocaust being produced. The Hobbit will probably be nominated, but I can't see the Academy giving him the award after he's already won 2 for LotR, even if it's deserving. Plus The Hobbit will be much more lighthearted, and those scores don't always do well.

The film might be more light hearted, but Jackson is going to try and make the film as epic as he can. And the music is definitely going to go for the strong epic vibe (its not just going to be fluffy Shire music people!).

I can totally see The Hobbit getting the Oscar for Best Original Score for a variety of reasons that might include quality (if it turns out to be as great as we hope it is).

The Hobbit Part 1 will probably get a bunch of minor technical awards which would include Best Original score with no shot at the big awards (like Fellowship!). Only with part 2 (if these movies live up to the hype) will Jackson stand a chance for the big awards.

But if Shore doesn't win the Oscar (which he totally should!), then we might have an arrangement like this. Williams might win his 6th oscar next year for his crafting music for America's most beloved human being, and Shore might win for part 2.

I'm still rooting for Shore though (although I would be overjoyed for a 6th oscar for JW ).

[John Crichton]

I'll tell you after I hear the scores.

[chuckster312]

Which would be months from now.

[Josh500]

You kidding?

The new guy will win! Larry Seuzuhkertwzu!

[chuckster312]

Here's what I think should really happen: Howard Shore gets the Oscar while Johnny gets the Honorary Oscar. Sounds perfect?

[Josh500]

Here's what I think should really happen: Howard Shore gets the Oscar while Johnny gets the Honorary Oscar. Sounds perfect?

Why Howard Shore? He already has 3!

When compared to John Williams and Jerry Goldsmith, I don't think he's that good!

[chuckster312]

Sadly Jerry only got 17 nominations and only one freaking Oscar. ONE. FREAKING. OSCAR.

[Quint]

And it wasn't even for his best score.

[chuckster312]

Here's what I think should really happen: Howard Shore gets the Oscar while Johnny gets the Honorary Oscar. Sounds perfect?

Why Howard Shore? He already has 3!

When compared to John Williams and Jerry Goldsmith, I don't think he's that good!

He is still ways ahead from so called composers of film music.

[Josh500]

I think he should have gotten another in 1993 for Basic Instinct (instead of Alan Menken for Aladdin)!

Not in 1983 for Poltergeist, though!

[chuckster312]

If ever Jerry was still alive today, would he now get so many nominations every year? Would he now receive more Oscars now that his fiercest competitors come from the likes of Hans Zimmer, Howard shore, John Powell, Thomas and Randy Newman, even John Williams? That question bugs me every time I think of Jerry Goldsmith.

[Josh500]

If ever Jerry was still alive today, would he now get so many nominations every year? Would he now receive more Oscars now that his fiercest competitors come from the likes of Hans Zimmer, Howard shore, John Powell, Thomas and Randy Newman, even John Williams? That question bugs me every time I think of Jerry Goldsmith.

No, not so many.

Mainly because his choice of movies wasn't that great as JW's. He scored many mediocre, even bad movies!

How about Danny Elfman! He still hasn't got 1 Oscar, doesn't he?

[chuckster312]

If ever Jerry was still alive today, would he now get so many nominations every year? Would he now receive more Oscars now that his fiercest competitors come from the likes of Hans Zimmer, Howard shore, John Powell, Thomas and Randy Newman, even John Williams? That question bugs me every time I think of Jerry Goldsmith.

No, not so many.

Mainly because his choice of movies wasn't that great as JW's. He scored many mediocre, even bad movies!

But then, probably, like John, he will be getting of age, his output will decrease and he will probably become selective of choosing films to score, so maybe the quality will be higher and more oscar-worthy. I think he will now chose to score 1-2 films per year if he was still alive.

[Josh500]

Well, of course, could be. But we're just speculating! I think if he were alive today, though, he would have won at least 1 more Oscar!

Back in 1977, they didn't even play brief excerpts of each nominated score!

[chuckster312]

Well, of course, could be. But we're just speculating! I think if he were alive today, though, he would have won at least 1 more Oscar!

Heck, with the way film scores are being nominated now, he can win more than just one oscar!

[Josh500]

I am not so sure...

Have you forgotten that JW hasn't won one in almost 20 years!?