He was obviously talking about the "Take Me Out To The Ballgame" source music, as all the other baseball related music is on the LLL CD
La-La Land Records' HOOK (2CD Expanded) Discussion thread
Started by Jason LeBlanc, Mar 28 2012 07:56 PM
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 12:54 PM
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Posted 20 June 2012 - 01:44 PM
Right-o. But that was not so obvious to me from the post so I asked.
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Posted 23 June 2012 - 12:12 AM
I don't mean to ask a weird question but is Hook almost sold out? (2 CD Set)
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Posted 23 June 2012 - 12:33 AM
I don't mean to ask a weird question but is Hook almost sold out? (2 CD Set)
No. The other day I had an email exchange with MV, mostly talking about Star Trek TMP. He mentioned that they're still sitting on 900 copies of Hook.
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Posted 23 June 2012 - 01:12 AM
Trent, that was private information he told you NOT meant to be shared publicly. Please edit your post
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Posted 23 June 2012 - 01:14 AM
He didn't mention that I keep it private.
I've even mentioned before in this thread how many units they still had available.
I've even mentioned before in this thread how many units they still had available.
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@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 12:11 AM
I know this is probably a weird question but Do we know how much the Hook 2 CD set cost to make???
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 12:15 AM
Nope
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 12:47 AM
I was pondering this today,,, Besides the Baseball Music that wasn't does anyone know any other music that wasn't included in the 2 CD set???
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 02:43 AM
I was pondering this today,,, Besides the Baseball Music that wasn't does anyone know any other music that wasn't included in the 2 CD set???
The cue "We Don't Want To Grow Up" was not presented in its full form as it retained the OST version. Not sure why they presented "Banning Back Home" from the music only portion of the film stems but not this cue.
The remaining "Ultimate War" pieces were not from the actual sessions but from the music only portion of the film stems as well. So "The End Of Hook" was dialed out in the middle like in the film and did not have the unused section as per the sheet music. There were also loops present as well as dips in volume.
"Pick 'Em, Up" also remained absent from this as well and should have been picked out from the music only portion of the film stems.
This put down is not directed toward MV or La-La Land as their releases have been stellar, but this is to the person in question who actually assembled the set. The layout for this set looks way to similar in regards to the old Concorde bootleg. It makes me think the person who leaked that boot many years ago is the same person who worked on this set. Oh and the particular person in question that assembled never bothered to pitch correct the Hook Trailer (aka Prologue) cue.
This makes me wish even more Mike Matessino was the one who worked on it. At least he would have made sure it would have been for the most part corrected... IE: no loops or anything like that.
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 02:49 AM
Also "God Rest Ye Merry Gentleman."
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 02:52 AM
And the Neverfeast insert, and the end of Enter Rufio
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 03:48 AM
And the Neverfeast insert, and the end of Enter Rufio
Ah yes, that too.
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 05:24 AM
I have to be honest. I don't like this set at all. I like many of their other releases (Williams' scores too), but this one is a letdown.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:05 AM
Well it is a bit patchy compared to many LLL releases due to the reasons mentioned many times in this thread and that leaves me wanting a bit when the Hook set is concerned.
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"We pop out and come into the world and music is there. We didn't invent it - it's all organised in the atmosphere by divinity or whatever. It's a miracle." - John Williams-
I think music is a stream of some kind. It could be blood. It could be water. It could be ether. Whatever it is it seems to be a living, organic force that’s in motion, that serves humanity and is part of humanity and part of what describes us as humans. We sing, play, dance, all the things that we do. And there is a vibrant and great literature we have been given. ... As musicians, we join the stream. We swim in the stream with all the other millions of music makers. It’s a life force, a strong one, surrounding us and we are part of it. -John Williams-
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:23 AM
It sounds to me like crocodile is disappointed with the actual music Williams' wrote for Hook, which is of course an act of high treason and punishable by death.
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:48 AM
Indeed! Heresy! Bring forth the torture devices and start building the gallows!It sounds to me like crocodile is disappointed with the actual music Williams' wrote for Hook, which is of course an act of high treason and punishable by death.
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 10:08 AM
I really like the release. Im really happy to have "The Ultimate War" in full now. It's awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 05:49 PM
I really like the release. Im really happy to have "The Ultimate War" in full now. It's awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!
The thing is "The Ultimate War" is not 100% complete as we've stated above...
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 06:51 PM
I have to be honest. I don't like this set at all. I like many of their other releases (Williams' scores too), but this one is a letdown.
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Me too, never was able to get into this score. I think it's a combination of many factors (not having seen the movie, score too long). Perhaps someday I'll get a few hours to just sit and listen to Hook through headphones for a proper appreciation.
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 08:48 PM
It sounds to me like crocodile is disappointed with the actual music Williams' wrote for Hook, which is of course an act of high treason and punishable by death.
Didn't you notice his name? He's biased!
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 08:51 PM
Damn, I should have thought of that one! I don't like having jokes I should have said being stolen from me...
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 08:53 PM
It sounds to me like crocodile is disappointed with the actual music Williams' wrote for Hook, which is of course an act of high treason and punishable by death.
Didn't you notice his name? He's biased!
Damn, I should have thought of that one! I don't like having jokes I should have said being stolen from me...
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 09:26 PM
Damn, it took few seconds too long to get it, I'm getting old.
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 09:31 PM
Haha! No, I didn't mean the score (which is good), but this particular release. Not horrible in any way (maybe except for those volume changes), but given the long years of waiting... you get my idea.
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No, I didn't mean the score (which is good), but this particular release. Not horrible in any way (maybe except for those volume changes), but given the long years of waiting... you get my idea.Karol
From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 09:46 PM
"Sarcasm is the recourse of a weak mind" - Dr. Smith (Gary Oldman).
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Posted 17 July 2012 - 11:37 PM
How is "The Ultimate War" not complete? Sorry for my ignorance.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:54 AM
Oh dear... let me answer this before one of the others gets rude.
Ok, the film dials out twenty seconds towards the end (when the croc eats Hook). Because this particular part of the score was sourced from film stems (all La-La Land had to work with), that dialed-out portion is MIA on this album. This has actually been covered a few times in the thread.
Ok, the film dials out twenty seconds towards the end (when the croc eats Hook). Because this particular part of the score was sourced from film stems (all La-La Land had to work with), that dialed-out portion is MIA on this album. This has actually been covered a few times in the thread.
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Also the two inserts written to replace a couple of segments in the opening 8 minutes of the Ultimate War (Pan appears and flies through the sail at the beginning and the moment the Lost Boys board Jolly Roger) and that appear in the film were not used for the set. This is mostly because they went with the composer's original intentions. Ultimate War on the LLL set also has those odd volume dips because it was, as Miles says above, sourced from film stems rather than master tapes which could not be found for this release. And LLL release has one instance of redundant looping in the first part of Ultimate War which is also due to using the film stems that contain the music as edited and conformed to the film. This is somewhat odd since the volume dips could have been rectified better and the looped section was in the music available even on the OST without the loop.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 06:05 AM
Thanks for adding that Incanus, I'd forgotten about the volume dips and such.
I hate to grumble about the stuff our beloved labels put out (even Varese), but I gotta concede, those dips/edits could have been handled a little better.
I hate to grumble about the stuff our beloved labels put out (even Varese), but I gotta concede, those dips/edits could have been handled a little better.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:46 AM
This is somewhat odd since the volume dips could have been rectified better and the looped section was in the music available even on the OST without the loop.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 11:44 AM
Im wondering where the master tapes are lol
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:05 PM
I am sure so are the producers of the set and all of us here.
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I think music is a stream of some kind. It could be blood. It could be water. It could be ether. Whatever it is it seems to be a living, organic force that’s in motion, that serves humanity and is part of humanity and part of what describes us as humans. We sing, play, dance, all the things that we do. And there is a vibrant and great literature we have been given. ... As musicians, we join the stream. We swim in the stream with all the other millions of music makers. It’s a life force, a strong one, surrounding us and we are part of it. -John Williams-
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Posted 20 July 2012 - 04:47 AM
did it ever sell out?
OH God, Joe is posting again, someone hand me my pills!
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Nope. And that's why that free CD is mine! Sorry, TennisBallBrat!
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