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[publicist]

I don't doubt that, but given the importance of the battle music, it's just unfortunate. I don't need WHEN YOU'RE ALONE or THE BANQUET in glorious sound...

[Jason LeBlanc]

Well, it's not LLL's fault Sony didn't archive their materials properly!

[Josh500]

Yes, judging from the samples, this release seems to be a bit uneven.

And yeah, Sony is probably to blame... again, I am sure LLL did the best they could with what they had. Oh well.

[Incanus]

I don't doubt that, but given the importance of the battle music, it's just unfortunate. I don't need WHEN YOU'RE ALONE or THE BANQUET in glorious sound...

Yeah rather ironic (and irritating) considering how popular the Ultimate War music is.

Well, it's not LLL's fault Sony didn't archive their materials properly!

Indeed! I have nothing but admiration for LLL for taking on this project and seeing it through diligently and doing their best while at it.

[publicist]

Well, it's not LLL's fault Sony didn't archive their materials properly!

Does it make the sound better that it isn't LLL's fault?

Yeah rather ironic (and irritating) considering how popular the Ultimate War music is.

With a bit of luck, they find a better source and put it on a future release of another score. FSM did that with THE PRIZE and some other stuff, it's not ideal, but at least you get some new music going with it.

[Alexander]

I'm pretty sure that they did everything they could to make it sound as best as it can.

[Delorean90]

Prologue is still the wrong speed like the OST. Prologue (Alternate) is the correct speed as recorded.

Curious. Do you think was intentional on Williams's part, or simply an error that was carried over and missed?

Hey only the second half of the Ultimate War (well, and maybe the End Credits, and maybe the revised ending of Flight To Neverland) are from the film stems.... the rest are from the real recording sessions and sound utterly glorious!

"The Death of Rufio" is from the sessions, though, isn't it? So the previously unreleased section of Part I and all of Part III are from the film stems--if I understand correctly?

[Chaac]

Curious. Do you think was intentional on Williams's part, or simply an error that was carried over and missed?

I've been thinking this. I thought we simply would get the trailer music at the beginning at the correct speed. But it might be that the altered version is that way on purpose and that's why we get it there and the unaltered as an alternate?

[fommes]

Huh, seems weird that they didn't correct this.

[Ro Sajooc]

I wonder if Williams owns a copy of the masters.

[Chaac]

Do the liner notes say anything in special about the prologue?

[Jason LeBlanc]

I'm pretty sure that they did everything they could to make it sound as best as it can.

I'm sure too

[Trent Bennett]

I thought MV said in the radio show that they went to Spielberg, Williams and even Shawn Murphy to see if they had the elements they were looking for and they did not. So hence why for the unreleased "Ultimate War" parts they had to resort to the music only portion from the film stems.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Hey only the second half of the Ultimate War (well, and maybe the End Credits, and maybe the revised ending of Flight To Neverland) are from the film stems.... the rest are from the real recording sessions and sound utterly glorious!

"The Death of Rufio" is from the sessions, though, isn't it? So the previously unreleased section of Part I and all of Part III are from the film stems--if I understand correctly?

No, the entire second half of the Ultimate War is clearly from the film stems. You can tell easily when listening.

[Faleel]

I thought they said there were some elements that they could use also?

[Jason LeBlanc]

I've been thinking this. I thought we simply would get the trailer music at the beginning at the correct speed. But it might be that the altered version is that way on purpose and that's why we get it there and the unaltered as an alternate?

No. Both version of the trailer music were clearly recorded at the fast speed, and it was an error that the final version was presented too slow on the OST (They incorrectly transferred it from the 48khz recording to the 44.1khz master). They definitely did not record it at two different speeds.

Do the liner notes say anything in special about the prologue?

Williams introduced two important Hook themes a full year before the picture’s release when the film’s teaser trailer debuted in theaters. The first is in the minor mode and suggests swashbuckling pirates, while the second is in a major key and reflects the optimism of eternal youth in Neverland. Apart from a few sound effects, Hook’s teaser is entirely music-driven. Called “Prologue” on the original Epic Soundtrax Hook album, this presentation plays at a slightly slower speed (and lower pitch) than the music heard in the actual teaser.

[Faleel]

They definitely did not record it at two different speeds.

I think he was asking if it was a creative decision on JW part.

[jwb]

The beginning of Farewell Neverland has a fade into music from No More Hook that is iffy too. Sounds like stuff is missing there and they added the fade to help it.

Sorry I couldn't post more last night. I didn't even get to listen to it all yesterday. The wife was bugging me!!!

The Ultimate War stuff is definitely what I was missing the most and most excited about listening to when I got the CD. Its a shame it doesn't sound perfect or close to perfect. I would say "very good" instead. I mean, compared to what we've had! I have to say, I am not a fan of how they've been split up. I usually listen to my music on my computer or on a mobile device, and the cuts to each track don't play so nice. When I can I will be editing the three together.

I've found more appreciation for the other smaller pieces, like The Bedroom. Love this piece so much. The slow build up and wonder of it.

I would say my top 5 favorite pieces of the "new stuff" are (in no order):

1. The Bedroom
2. Pirates!
3. Hook Challenges Peter
4. The Ultimate War (all 3 as one)
5. Follow That Shadow

[publicist]

Yeah, for the upcoming DRACULA release he requested the sound of Monty Python's mouse organ to go over the main titles.

[Jason LeBlanc]

They definitely did not record it at two different speeds.

I think he was asking if it was a creative decision on JW part.

I suppose it's possible, but I can't see any reason why he would request it, especially when the final result is out of perfect pitch. And the fact that its the exact same percentage difference off you get when incorrectly converting from 48khz to 44.1khz seals it for me

[Faleel]

It could be both of course, they did it incorrectly, williams/the producer liked it, so instead of correcting it he left it that way?

[Jason LeBlanc]

I have no idea

[publicist]

With audio software of your choice you can correct it, though.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Yup it's easy to fix. I definitely prefer the faster version as well, even besides the fact that it's the intended version I just think the music fits a faster tempo. It's just a brilliant introduction to the score!

[jwb]

Definitely listen to this on a nice sound system too guys if you can. I have Bose speakers and sub and also Bose headphones.

[filmmusic]

So, we were arguing before the release if the hook score would be 2 or 3 cds.
now, if it was a TRULLY complete score with all the alternates and soucre music etc, wouldn't it require 3 cds?
Just was wondering..

[Chaac]

Ok so there's two prologues. I thought there was one and the wrong speed version of it. Thanks.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Ok so there's two prologues. I thought there was one and the wrong speed version of it. Thanks.

You can hear a 30 second sample of the alternate one right here!

http://www.jwfan.com/?p=2614

[Faleel]

Using the Blu-ray Rear channels I was able to make a clean version of the film version (with inserts) of The Ultimate War in spectacular audio quality! so with the LLL release, any bits from the concorde, and the Blu-ray, we now pretty much have the complete score with no SFX in modern audio quality!

[Jason LeBlanc]

Using the Blu-ray Rear channels I was able to make a clean version of the film version (with inserts) of The Ultimate War in spectacular audio quality! so with the LLL release, any bits from the concorde, and the Blu-ray, we now pretty much have the complete score with no SFX in modern audio quality!

No true. There is a bunch of stuff we still don't have clean:

-the play music from the beginning
-God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen
-Lost Boys Ballet drum insert
-Pick Em Up
-Take Me Out To The Ballgame

[Faleel]

Well I am sure some of those can also be ripped from the rear channels of the blu-ray, the awful tin can'ness can be greatly improved just by adding bass.

[Jason LeBlanc]

All of those have sound effects over them in all channels

[Faleel]

Even the foreign language tracks?

[Jason LeBlanc]

The only difference in a foreign language track would be the removal of echoed english dialogue, not a removal of sound effects

[Incanus]

To tell you the truth I never even noticed God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen in the film until it was brought up here recently. I do not exactly have a burning desire to have it or Take Me Out to the Ball Game.

[publicist]

What? You are not excited for jurassic traditionals breaking up the flow of your score albums?

[Jason LeBlanc]

To tell you the truth I never even noticed God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen in the film until it was brought up here recently. I do not exactly have a burning desire to have it or Take Me Out to the Ball Game.

I LOVE the organ performance of Take Me Out To The Ballgame recorded for the movie!!

[Incanus]

To tell you the truth I never even noticed God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen in the film until it was brought up here recently. I do not exactly have a burning desire to have it or Take Me Out to the Ball Game.

I LOVE the organ performance of Take Me Out To The Ballgame recorded for the movie!!

Would you still take it over any unreleased score cue if you had the chance?

[Demondm810]

I can't believe we literally have an almost complete Hook, and people are bitching. It's almost unbelievable to me. Seriously, if only film stems are available, what can LLL do about it? Christ. And they are not terribly noticeable on high-end speakers. If you only listern on headphones, well..

BE POSITIVE!!

[jwb]

Using the Blu-ray Rear channels I was able to make a clean version of the film version (with inserts) of The Ultimate War in spectacular audio quality! so with the LLL release, any bits from the concorde, and the Blu-ray, we now pretty much have the complete score with no SFX in modern audio quality!

No true. There is a bunch of stuff we still don't have clean:

-the play music from the beginning
-God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen
-Lost Boys Ballet drum insert
-Pick Em Up
-Take Me Out To The Ballgame

If I could only pick one of those to include it would be Take Me Out to the Ballgame.