That is one ugly back cover
And the front and the garish CD. I know GNP probably saved money by keeping design in house, but ugh...
GNP Crescendo announces Star Trek First Contact Complete.
Started by Mark Olivarez, Apr 03 2012 01:49 AM
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 07:35 PM
And the front and the garish CD. I know GNP probably saved money by keeping design in house, but ugh...
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 07:45 PM
I admit, not the most elegant cover design but as long as the music is good I don't mind. 
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:14 PM
It really does look like GNP still think it's 1999.
It looks more sloppy then the Myspace page of the 13 year old girl.
Takis' notes are good though.
It looks more sloppy then the Myspace page of the 13 year old girl.
Takis' notes are good though.
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:15 PM
Yes. Mr. Takis' notes are very good indeed.
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"We pop out and come into the world and music is there. We didn't invent it - it's all organised in the atmosphere by divinity or whatever. It's a miracle." - John Williams-
I think music is a stream of some kind. It could be blood. It could be water. It could be ether. Whatever it is it seems to be a living, organic force that’s in motion, that serves humanity and is part of humanity and part of what describes us as humans. We sing, play, dance, all the things that we do. And there is a vibrant and great literature we have been given. ... As musicians, we join the stream. We swim in the stream with all the other millions of music makers. It’s a life force, a strong one, surrounding us and we are part of it. -John Williams-
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:17 PM
I decided to buy it after seeing the list of the people involved.
As for the artwork. You know, STV is not the most handsomely looking release. And it's probably still the best Trek expansion so far regardless.
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As for the artwork. You know, STV is not the most handsomely looking release. And it's probably still the best Trek expansion so far regardless.
Karol
From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 08:18 PM
From his description of the alternate main title I am guessing it is the "film version" , and the version Jerry used for his OST is retained as track 1.
I would guess that means The Dish, 39.1 Degrees Celsius and Retreat will be the OST versions to then.
I would guess that means The Dish, 39.1 Degrees Celsius and Retreat will be the OST versions to then.
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 09:10 PM
Well, I guess the word *ORDERED* is appropriate and accurate here.
So, now we need:
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Star Trek: Generations
Star Trek: Insurrection
Star Trek: Nemesis
... and it'll all be out there legit.
THIS is an EXCELLENT score, IMHO, and I'm definately looking forward to trashing the footwarmer files.
So, now we need:
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Star Trek: Generations
Star Trek: Insurrection
Star Trek: Nemesis
... and it'll all be out there legit.
THIS is an EXCELLENT score, IMHO, and I'm definately looking forward to trashing the footwarmer files.
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 10:14 PM
Hats off to them. The artwork might look like something you'd slap together using MS Paint on Windows 3.1 but the complete score along with 16 pages of notes and further notes provided free as a download is pretty great. Especially if this is their first expansion. Bodes well for possible future releases from them.
I'll be ordering this on payday
I'll be ordering this on payday
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Posted 03 April 2012 - 11:27 PM
So what's the story with Joel Goldsmith's contributions? It would appear that he composed a significant chunk of this score and many of the coolest parts. Why not a more prominent credit?
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 12:01 AM
So what's the story with Joel Goldsmith's contributions? It would appear that he composed a significant chunk of this score and many of the coolest parts. Why not a more prominent credit?
There wasn't that much time to score the film and he needed help. So hence why he brought his son in to help him.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 12:03 AM
I just never knew how much he'd done and it would seem to be quite a bit. I mean, I always considered Search for the Borg a highlight of Goldsmith's career. Turns out it was the wrong Goldsmith.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 12:15 AM
Then consider it a highlight of the other Goldsmith's career!
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 12:50 AM
I just never knew how much he'd done and it would seem to be quite a bit. I mean, I always considered Search for the Borg a highlight of Goldsmith's career. Turns out it was the wrong Goldsmith.
Here's the cue list and the cues notated which were done by Joel.
DISC ONE
01. 1m1 Main Titles (2:55)
02. 1m2 Locutus (1:28)*
03. 1m3 Enterprise-E Introduction (0:28)
04. 1m5 Battle Watch (1:11)*
05. 1m6 Red Alert (2:16)
06. 1m7-2m1 Temporal Wake (2:08)
07. 2m2 Shields Down (1:45)
08. 2m3 The Phoenix (1:05)*
09. 3m1 They're Here (0:26)
10. 3m2 39.1 Degrees Celsius (4:45)*
11. 4m1 Search For The Borg (1:50)*
12. 4m2 Retreat (4:00)*
13. 4m3 No Success (1:30)
14. 4m4 Borg Montage (1:02)*
15. 5m1 Welcome Aboard (2:41)
16. 5m2 Stimulation (1:03)
17. 5m3-6m1 Smorgas-Borg (1:27)
18. 7m1 Getting Ready (1:33)
19. 7m2 Fully Functional (3:19)
20. 8m1 The Dish (7:06)
21. 9m1 Objection Noted (1:55)
22. 9m2 Not Again (2:41)
23. 9m3 Evacuate (2:21)
24. 9m4 New Orders (2:49)
25. 10m2 All The Time (1:03)
26. 10m3-11m1 Flight Of The Pheonix (6:29)*
27. 11m3 First Contact (5:53)
28. 11m4 End Credits (5:25)
DISC TWO
01. 1m1 Main Titles (Alternate) (2:54)
02. 1m2 Locutus (Alternate) (1:29)
03. 1m7-2m1 Temporal Wake (Alternate) (2:06)
04. 2m3 The Phoenix (Alternate) (1:08)
05. 3m2 39.1 Degrees Celsius (Alternate) (4:47)
06. 3m2 39.1 Degrees Celsius (Alternate Excerpt) (0:40)
07. 4m2 Retreat (Alternate) (4:02)
08. 4m4 Borg Montage (Alternate 1) (1:02)
09. 4m4 Borg Montage (Alternate 2) (1:20)
10. 7m2 Fully Functional (Alternate) (3:20)
11. 8m1 The Dish (Alternate) (7:18)
12. 11m4 End Credits (Alternate) (5:26)
13. 1m4 End Credits (Alternate Insert) (0:19)
*MUSIC BY JOEL GOLDSMITH
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 02:34 AM
Disc 1 track 26 spelled Phoenix wrong
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 02:52 AM
that's 20 minute+ by Joel Goldsmith. Quite a bit
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 04:51 AM
Well Goldsmith or Goldsmiths it is a damn fine sci-fi score and Joel does a great job in intergrating his writing with his father's.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 04:52 AM
Really?
In the film maybe, but on disc you can always hear straight away which Goldsmith you are listening too.
In the film maybe, but on disc you can always hear straight away which Goldsmith you are listening too.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 05:07 AM
I never meant that it was complete invisible who did what when you listen to the score. Just that while Joel Goldsmith writes as he writes he lovingly keeps his father's style and musical ideas in mind.
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"We pop out and come into the world and music is there. We didn't invent it - it's all organised in the atmosphere by divinity or whatever. It's a miracle." - John Williams-
I think music is a stream of some kind. It could be blood. It could be water. It could be ether. Whatever it is it seems to be a living, organic force that’s in motion, that serves humanity and is part of humanity and part of what describes us as humans. We sing, play, dance, all the things that we do. And there is a vibrant and great literature we have been given. ... As musicians, we join the stream. We swim in the stream with all the other millions of music makers. It’s a life force, a strong one, surrounding us and we are part of it. -John Williams-
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 05:22 AM
What's really interesting is that Joel is generally scoring the Borg action material, while Jerry is doing the more lyrical First Contact theme'd cues.
Very smart division of labor.
Very smart division of labor.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 10:06 AM
Nemesis is owned by Varese, not GNP
I didn't say it was GNP. Did someone else?
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 10:35 AM
I just never knew how much he'd done and it would seem to be quite a bit. I mean, I always considered Search for the Borg a highlight of Goldsmith's career. Turns out it was the wrong Goldsmith.
Hardly anything in FIRST CONTACT is indicative of Goldsmith's career highlights. Jerry, that is.
You wouldn't see a subtle plan if it painted itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord, singing "Subtle Plans Are Here Again."
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 11:09 AM
Indeed, though the main theme is outstanding.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 11:10 AM
the only cue I remember is The Dish
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 11:18 AM
Indeed, though the main theme is outstanding.
Yes. Coming from that, the finale cue is fantastic.
Repeat the JWFan pledge after me: 'I hereby recognise John Towner Williams' place in the world as the great composer there has ever been, and I therefore renounce the works of Rozsa, Korngold, Herrmann, Horner, Kamen, Giacchino (unless the prophecy is fulfilled and he becomes the heir to JTW) and Goldsmith, especially Goldsmith. I understand that if I ever refer to Jurassic Park as anything less than "a masterpiece sixty-five million years in the making" I will be resigned to living out my days at the Zimmershrine.'
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 11:57 AM
Good Goldsmith means at least uber-competent craftmanship, but the later STAR TREKS tend to be a bit workmanlike. Ironically, the much-maligned NEMESIS is the most impessive from pure compositional standpoint (though its slight thematic content make it a bit hard to love).
You wouldn't see a subtle plan if it painted itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord, singing "Subtle Plans Are Here Again."
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I'm a big fan of the triumphant presentation of the Enterprise theme in "Flight of the Phoenix." That's a highlight of the score, regardless of who wrote it.
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 01:48 PM
I didn't see the last page where the covers and such were posted. Good god they do look ugly, especially the way how the image on the disc was done. I could have done a better job than whoever did this artwork.
Either way I was told yesterday from GNP that mine went out probably with anyone else who ordered it. I chose the $5 shipping option but hopefully I'll have it by this weekend or first of next week.
Either way I was told yesterday from GNP that mine went out probably with anyone else who ordered it. I chose the $5 shipping option but hopefully I'll have it by this weekend or first of next week.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 02:09 PM
I guess I'll whip up a cover design that matches the look of LLL's and FSM's releases.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 02:18 PM
I did this one last year
Repeat the JWFan pledge after me: 'I hereby recognise John Towner Williams' place in the world as the great composer there has ever been, and I therefore renounce the works of Rozsa, Korngold, Herrmann, Horner, Kamen, Giacchino (unless the prophecy is fulfilled and he becomes the heir to JTW) and Goldsmith, especially Goldsmith. I understand that if I ever refer to Jurassic Park as anything less than "a masterpiece sixty-five million years in the making" I will be resigned to living out my days at the Zimmershrine.'
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 02:25 PM
Charlie, that's a great cover!!
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 02:33 PM
That is EXACTLY the kind of cover I wanted to make, with the FSM Star Trek II & III curved square outline around the perimeter. Bravo! That's the one I'm gonna use!
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 02:41 PM
Charlie, that's a great cover!!
I agree!
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 03:09 PM
haha Charlie's cover has been in my iTunes for ages!
I got my shipping notice yesterday as well.
Where is GNP shipping from?
I got my shipping notice yesterday as well.
Where is GNP shipping from?
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Where is GNP shipping from?
I believe from California.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 03:42 PM
shouldn't the cover say music mostly composed and conducted by Jerry Goldsmith?
or perhaps only the good music composed and conducted by Jerry Goldsmith?
or perhaps only the good music composed and conducted by Jerry Goldsmith?
OH God, Joe is posting again, someone hand me my pills!
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 07:51 PM
The First Contact main theme is one of my most favorite themes of ALL TIME. All this Joel Goldsmith info is news to me. I feel like I've been sucked into some Goldsmith trickery.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 07:53 PM
What do you mean? Joel has been named as co composer in both the film and on the OST.
Also it has been known for many many years which cues were his.
Also it has been known for many many years which cues were his.
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 07:55 PM
Never trust a man with a ponytail!
(except Jerry. Or me).
(except Jerry. Or me).
Repeat the JWFan pledge after me: 'I hereby recognise John Towner Williams' place in the world as the great composer there has ever been, and I therefore renounce the works of Rozsa, Korngold, Herrmann, Horner, Kamen, Giacchino (unless the prophecy is fulfilled and he becomes the heir to JTW) and Goldsmith, especially Goldsmith. I understand that if I ever refer to Jurassic Park as anything less than "a masterpiece sixty-five million years in the making" I will be resigned to living out my days at the Zimmershrine.'
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Posted 04 April 2012 - 07:56 PM
It just shows my ignorance with Star Trek. I've only seen the film once and haven't looked at my CD in too long. But of course, you're right...the info is all there. I've been under a rock apparently.
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My take on it:
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