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#81 Alexander

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 05:34 PM

Maybe i'll do an analysis of AOTC, if Jason let's me do it.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 07:05 PM

Huh? Why wouldn't I let you do it?

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 07:07 PM

Huh? Why wouldn't I let you do it?

Perhaps people erroneously think that you have called dibs on the analysis of those scores by creating the respective complete cue list threads. :)

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 07:51 PM

That's crazy!

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 02:58 PM

Hey, Jason.

What is the additional information you are gonna add on here?

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 03:01 PM

Just a full track-by-track discussion pointing of the themes used, etc. Who knows when I'll have time

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 01:28 PM

Thanks again.

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Posted 21 June 2012 - 08:30 PM

Hey, Jason, I was just curious about something.

The unreleased / unused 20 seconds from 15M2 The End of Hook: It is a triumphant fanfare of the Lost Boys theme.

What exactly does it sound like?

I'd really love to here it.

Do you have the sheet music?


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Posted 25 June 2012 - 11:41 AM

Just a full track-by-track discussion pointing of the themes used, etc. Who knows when I'll have time

That does sound interesting!


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:37 AM

I'm dredging this thread up again to revisit the question of the "lost day" theory, which I mentioned last year in my radio conversation with Tim Burden. The theory -- if you'll recall -- is that when the middle portion of the film was restructured and a number of scenes removed, one entire day was lost, and that this helps clear up any confusion about Hook and Tink's deal for "three days." I didn't originate this theory, but I did subscribe to it ... largely because it seemed plausible, and because the novelization seemed to support it.

Today, however, I was reading through the novel, and I noticed something that had previously escaped my attention. The novel recounts several of the deleted scenes (Jack's big pirate outing, Maggie and the captive Lost Boys) AFTER the Never-Feast and BEFORE Maggie's lullaby. That would have been the lost day. The detail I missed, however, is that the novel describes Jack's day with Hook in the form of a flashback -- a reminiscence by Jack, taking place on the same evening as the Never-Feast, about events that took place earlier in the day.

So a more careful reading of the novel would yield the following reconstructed timeline:

DAY 1
Peter Arrives in Neverland
Slicing The Hand [Deleted]
Peter Meets Hook
Peter Meets Lost Boys
Hook & Smee Plot
Believe Your Eyes [Partially Deleted]

DAY 2
Hook's Lesson
Pick 'Em Up
Jack's Pirate Outing [Deleted]
The Never-Feast
Maggie And The Lost Boys [Deleted]
When You're Alone

DAY 3
The Clock Museum
Peter's Sword Training [Deleted] (Jason reports that Topps card confirms this was filmed)
Ballgame Sequence
Peter Regains Memories
Bonfire With Lost Boys [Deleted] (not certain this was filmed)

DAY 4
Tink Grows Up
The Ultimate War
Peter Leaves Neverland

Again, this is only based on the novel. I haven't read the shooting script, and I don't know what other changes might have taken place either before or after the novel was written. But IF the novel is taken as accurate to the initial cut of the film, then it would mean that an entire day was not lost after all. It would mean that several scenes were cut, and other scenes were moved around, but that the total number of days remained the same. To compare, here's how the film breaks down:

DAY 1
Peter Arrives in Neverland
Peter Meets Hook
Peter Meets Lost Boys
Hook & Smee Plot

DAY 2
Pick 'Em Up
Hook's Lesson
The Never-Feast
When You're Alone/Believe Your Eyes [Shortened]

DAY 3
The Clock Museum
Ballgame Sequence
Peter Regains Memories
Tink Grows Up (in the novel, this is a dawn scene, so it may still belong to Day 4)

DAY 4
The Ultimate War
Peter Leaves Neverland

If anyone out there has read the shooting script or has any more detailed information, please feel free to post it here!

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 09:08 PM

Ah. I can't remember off the top of my head - is the "Hook & Smee Plot" scene shot as taking place during the day or at night. The way I remember it is it shown as being during the day, so when the film transfers from that scene to Pick Em Up, it always seemed like it was the same day.

Peter's Sword Training [Deleted] (not certain this was filmed)


This was filmed. There were pictures of it on that old Hook site (from the Topps trading cards, I believe)

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:53 PM

Ah. I can't remember off the top of my head - is the "Hook & Smee Plot" scene shot as taking place during the day or at night. The way I remember it is it shown as being during the day, so when the film transfers from that scene to Pick Em Up, it always seemed like it was the same day.


I'm fairly certain it's a night scene -- Hook retiring for the evening. It's definitely bedtime in the novelization.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:54 PM

Its nightime.

Among all the things I have done in my short and pitiful life, becoming an inside joke on JWFAN is the one I'm the least proud of.


The additional passage was interesting but not really something I would consider absolutely essential.


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:54 PM

It's bedtime. You can see that in the establishing shot before the scene.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 05:58 PM



wow. is hook your all-time favorite score?

Yep


hehe do you hate this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65PiKsNhCsc&feature=relmfu

:eh: ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO ROTFLMAO

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 08:09 AM

I am currently transcribing The Mighty Prologue



PS going in Bb minor about 23 cents off normal tuning....


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 05:43 PM

Who does not get adrenaline during The Flying Sequence?

 

The music combined with the scene...WOW!

 

One of the best scenes in the film!



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:10 PM

Wow! The entire Ultimate War sequence is exactly 19 minutes in length (that includes the 20 seconds of unused music in The End of Hook)!

 

Amazing, absolutely amazing.







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