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[Alexander]

Maybe i'll do an analysis of AOTC, if Jason let's me do it.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Huh? Why wouldn't I let you do it?

[Incanus]

Huh? Why wouldn't I let you do it?

Perhaps people erroneously think that you have called dibs on the analysis of those scores by creating the respective complete cue list threads.

[Jason LeBlanc]

That's crazy!

[JohnnyD]

Hey, Jason.

What is the additional information you are gonna add on here?

[Jason LeBlanc]

Just a full track-by-track discussion pointing of the themes used, etc. Who knows when I'll have time

[JohnnyD]

Thanks again.

[JohnnyD]

Hey, Jason, I was just curious about something.

The unreleased / unused 20 seconds from 15M2 The End of Hook: It is a triumphant fanfare of the Lost Boys theme.

What exactly does it sound like?

I'd really love to here it.

Do you have the sheet music?

[Pieter_Boelen]

Just a full track-by-track discussion pointing of the themes used, etc. Who knows when I'll have time

That does sound interesting!

[John Takis]

I'm dredging this thread up again to revisit the question of the "lost day" theory, which I mentioned last year in my radio conversation with Tim Burden. The theory -- if you'll recall -- is that when the middle portion of the film was restructured and a number of scenes removed, one entire day was lost, and that this helps clear up any confusion about Hook and Tink's deal for "three days." I didn't originate this theory, but I did subscribe to it ... largely because it seemed plausible, and because the novelization seemed to support it.

Today, however, I was reading through the novel, and I noticed something that had previously escaped my attention. The novel recounts several of the deleted scenes (Jack's big pirate outing, Maggie and the captive Lost Boys) AFTER the Never-Feast and BEFORE Maggie's lullaby. That would have been the lost day. The detail I missed, however, is that the novel describes Jack's day with Hook in the form of a flashback -- a reminiscence by Jack, taking place on the same evening as the Never-Feast, about events that took place earlier in the day.

So a more careful reading of the novel would yield the following reconstructed timeline:

DAY 1
Peter Arrives in Neverland
Slicing The Hand [Deleted]
Peter Meets Hook
Peter Meets Lost Boys
Hook & Smee Plot
Believe Your Eyes [Partially Deleted]

DAY 2
Hook's Lesson
Pick 'Em Up
Jack's Pirate Outing [Deleted]
The Never-Feast
Maggie And The Lost Boys [Deleted]
When You're Alone

DAY 3
The Clock Museum
Peter's Sword Training [Deleted] (Jason reports that Topps card confirms this was filmed)
Ballgame Sequence
Peter Regains Memories
Bonfire With Lost Boys [Deleted] (not certain this was filmed)

DAY 4
Tink Grows Up
The Ultimate War
Peter Leaves Neverland

Again, this is only based on the novel. I haven't read the shooting script, and I don't know what other changes might have taken place either before or after the novel was written. But IF the novel is taken as accurate to the initial cut of the film, then it would mean that an entire day was not lost after all. It would mean that several scenes were cut, and other scenes were moved around, but that the total number of days remained the same. To compare, here's how the film breaks down:

DAY 1
Peter Arrives in Neverland
Peter Meets Hook
Peter Meets Lost Boys
Hook & Smee Plot

DAY 2
Pick 'Em Up
Hook's Lesson
The Never-Feast
When You're Alone/Believe Your Eyes [Shortened]

DAY 3
The Clock Museum
Ballgame Sequence
Peter Regains Memories
Tink Grows Up (in the novel, this is a dawn scene, so it may still belong to Day 4)

DAY 4
The Ultimate War
Peter Leaves Neverland

If anyone out there has read the shooting script or has any more detailed information, please feel free to post it here!

[Jason LeBlanc]

Ah. I can't remember off the top of my head - is the "Hook & Smee Plot" scene shot as taking place during the day or at night. The way I remember it is it shown as being during the day, so when the film transfers from that scene to Pick Em Up, it always seemed like it was the same day.

Peter's Sword Training [Deleted] (not certain this was filmed)

This was filmed. There were pictures of it on that old Hook site (from the Topps trading cards, I believe)

[John Takis]

Ah. I can't remember off the top of my head - is the "Hook & Smee Plot" scene shot as taking place during the day or at night. The way I remember it is it shown as being during the day, so when the film transfers from that scene to Pick Em Up, it always seemed like it was the same day.

I'm fairly certain it's a night scene -- Hook retiring for the evening. It's definitely bedtime in the novelization.

[Faleel]

Its nightime.

[oierem]

It's bedtime. You can see that in the establishing shot before the scene.

[ShowUStheHOOK]

wow. is hook your all-time favorite score?

Yep

hehe do you hate this?