Now, that we all know both scores/movies pretty well, let's find out!
This is surprisingly hard, I've found, but I voted:
Score: Tintin
Movie: War Horse
The Adventures of Tintin vs. War Horse
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 07:22 PM
I still don't know which score/movie is more popular around here...
Now, that we all know both scores/movies pretty well, let's find out!
This is surprisingly hard, I've found, but I voted:
Score: Tintin
Movie: War Horse
Now, that we all know both scores/movies pretty well, let's find out!
This is surprisingly hard, I've found, but I voted:
Score: Tintin
Movie: War Horse
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 07:29 PM
The same goes for me Josh:
Score: Tintin
Film: War Horse
Score: Tintin
Film: War Horse
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 07:31 PM
War Horse on both accounts.
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 07:33 PM
I still remember as if it were yesterday:
When the first Tintin samples became available on that German site, I listened to them, and I was absolutely blown away. And in a way, I still am. After KotCS, to be perfectly honest, my expectations weren't that high (so maybe that helped), but still, JW surprised me in a big way then...
With War Horse, while still a fantastic score, of course, this is pretty much what I expected.
When the first Tintin samples became available on that German site, I listened to them, and I was absolutely blown away. And in a way, I still am. After KotCS, to be perfectly honest, my expectations weren't that high (so maybe that helped), but still, JW surprised me in a big way then...
With War Horse, while still a fantastic score, of course, this is pretty much what I expected.
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 07:53 PM
Tintin is a little too jerky of a ride for me. It works wonderfully in some cues, like "Adventure Continues" or "Adventures of Tintin," but it's just really hard for me to get into cues like "Pursuit of the Falcon," etc.
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 07:56 PM
Tintin is a little too jerky of a ride for me. It works wonderfully in some cues, like "Adventure Continues" or "Adventures of Tintin," but it's just really hard for me to get into cues like "Pursuit of the Falcon," etc.
So you don't like the action cues from Harry Potter and Indiana Jones, either?
Not that I am saying Tintin is on the same level as those scores, but cues like "The Quidditch Match," "The Mine Cart Chase," "Belly the Steel Beast," "Streets of Shanghai" etc. are surely as much of a "jerky ride" as "Pursuit of the Falcon"...
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 08:05 PM
I still haven't seen War Horse.
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 08:15 PM
No, Tintin is much more jerky. Some cues from Temple of Doom come close (that's why the action music from ToD is my least favorite action music in the Indy series), but Tintin's action is worse (again, with the exception of a few cues).
Tintin is a little too jerky of a ride for me. It works wonderfully in some cues, like "Adventure Continues" or "Adventures of Tintin," but it's just really hard for me to get into cues like "Pursuit of the Falcon," etc.
So you don't like the action cues from Harry Potter and Indiana Jones, either?
Not that I am saying Tintin is on the same level as those scores, but cues like "The Quidditch Match," "The Mine Cart Chase," "Belly the Steel Beast," "Streets of Shanghai" etc. are surely as much of a "jerky ride" as "Pursuit of the Falcon"...
Recently Purchased CDs:
1. Nightwatch/Killer By Night - Johnny Williams and Quincy Jones 2. Diamond Head/Gone with the Wave - Johnny Williams/Lalo Schifrin 3. Mass - Leonard Bernstein 4. Bernstein with the New York Philharmonic - Leonard Bernstein
1. Nightwatch/Killer By Night - Johnny Williams and Quincy Jones 2. Diamond Head/Gone with the Wave - Johnny Williams/Lalo Schifrin 3. Mass - Leonard Bernstein 4. Bernstein with the New York Philharmonic - Leonard Bernstein
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 08:18 PM
No, Tintin is much more jerky. Some cues from Temple of Doom come close (that's why the action music from ToD is my least favorite action music in the Indy series), but Tintin's action is worse (again, with the exception of a few cues).
Tintin is a little too jerky of a ride for me. It works wonderfully in some cues, like "Adventure Continues" or "Adventures of Tintin," but it's just really hard for me to get into cues like "Pursuit of the Falcon," etc.
So you don't like the action cues from Harry Potter and Indiana Jones, either?
Not that I am saying Tintin is on the same level as those scores, but cues like "The Quidditch Match," "The Mine Cart Chase," "Belly the Steel Beast," "Streets of Shanghai" etc. are surely as much of a "jerky ride" as "Pursuit of the Falcon"...
Oh, when you say "jerky" you actually mean "bad"!
Well, you may like or dislike the music, that's your call, but it doesn't exist all by itself! The music fits the action onscreen perfectly, IMO. The music needs to be "jerky" here... just as some of the action cues in ToD needed to be!
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 08:22 PM
No, when I say jerky I mean jerky. I happened to think that a cue that is too jerky diminishes the effect (I don't think any of the cues we're talking about are "bad") and I like it less.
No, Tintin is much more jerky. Some cues from Temple of Doom come close (that's why the action music from ToD is my least favorite action music in the Indy series), but Tintin's action is worse (again, with the exception of a few cues).
Tintin is a little too jerky of a ride for me. It works wonderfully in some cues, like "Adventure Continues" or "Adventures of Tintin," but it's just really hard for me to get into cues like "Pursuit of the Falcon," etc.
So you don't like the action cues from Harry Potter and Indiana Jones, either?
Not that I am saying Tintin is on the same level as those scores, but cues like "The Quidditch Match," "The Mine Cart Chase," "Belly the Steel Beast," "Streets of Shanghai" etc. are surely as much of a "jerky ride" as "Pursuit of the Falcon"...
Oh, when you say "jerky" you actually mean "bad"!
Well, you may like or dislike the music, that's your call, but it doesn't exist all by itself! The music fits the action onscreen perfectly, IMO. The music needs to be "jerky" here... just as some of the action cues in ToD needed to be!
You're right, perhaps the only way to match the on screen action would be to adopt this jerky style, but I don't really care how well the music fits the film. I care how it works as music outside of the film.
Recently Purchased CDs:
1. Nightwatch/Killer By Night - Johnny Williams and Quincy Jones 2. Diamond Head/Gone with the Wave - Johnny Williams/Lalo Schifrin 3. Mass - Leonard Bernstein 4. Bernstein with the New York Philharmonic - Leonard Bernstein
1. Nightwatch/Killer By Night - Johnny Williams and Quincy Jones 2. Diamond Head/Gone with the Wave - Johnny Williams/Lalo Schifrin 3. Mass - Leonard Bernstein 4. Bernstein with the New York Philharmonic - Leonard Bernstein
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 08:25 PM
No, when I say jerky I mean jerky. I happened to think that a cue that is too jerky diminishes the effect (I don't think any of the cues we're talking about are "bad") and I like it less.
No, Tintin is much more jerky. Some cues from Temple of Doom come close (that's why the action music from ToD is my least favorite action music in the Indy series), but Tintin's action is worse (again, with the exception of a few cues).
Tintin is a little too jerky of a ride for me. It works wonderfully in some cues, like "Adventure Continues" or "Adventures of Tintin," but it's just really hard for me to get into cues like "Pursuit of the Falcon," etc.
So you don't like the action cues from Harry Potter and Indiana Jones, either?
Not that I am saying Tintin is on the same level as those scores, but cues like "The Quidditch Match," "The Mine Cart Chase," "Belly the Steel Beast," "Streets of Shanghai" etc. are surely as much of a "jerky ride" as "Pursuit of the Falcon"...
Oh, when you say "jerky" you actually mean "bad"!
Well, you may like or dislike the music, that's your call, but it doesn't exist all by itself! The music fits the action onscreen perfectly, IMO. The music needs to be "jerky" here... just as some of the action cues in ToD needed to be!
You're right, perhaps the only way to match the on screen action would be to adopt this jerky style, but I don't really care how well the music fits the film. I care how it works as music outside of the film.
Well, then you don't like "jerky scenes"!
You have to consider that JW needed to musically accompany scenes where Tintin goes motorcycling all over the place, up and down stairs, into dilapidated buildings, etc. in pursuit of a falcon! Also in ToD, a breakneck chase through Shanghai, a ride down a mountain slope, a mine cart chase, etc. etc. are apt to be a bit "jerky"...
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 08:31 PM
I agree, but like I said I don't really care about how the music functions in the film. I care about how it functions as music, outside of the film.You have to consider that JW needed to musically accompany scenes where Tintin goes motorcycling all over the place, up and down stairs, into dilapidated buildings, etc. in pursuit of a falcon! Also in ToD, a breakneck chase through Shanghai, a ride down a mountain slope, a mine cart chase, etc. etc. are apt to be a bit "jerky"...
And again, I don't mind jerkiness--you couldn't be a fan of the modern JW without enjoying it to some extent--but some cues from Tintin take it a bit too far. When there's so many unrelated ideas being thrown at you, it's hard for the cues to gain the momentum needed to emotionally excite me.
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 08:37 PM
I agree, but like I said I don't really care about how the music functions in the film. I care about how it functions as music, outside of the film.
You have to consider that JW needed to musically accompany scenes where Tintin goes motorcycling all over the place, up and down stairs, into dilapidated buildings, etc. in pursuit of a falcon! Also in ToD, a breakneck chase through Shanghai, a ride down a mountain slope, a mine cart chase, etc. etc. are apt to be a bit "jerky"...
And again, I don't mind jerkiness--you couldn't be a fan of the modern JW without enjoying it--but some cues from Tintin take it a bit too far. When there's so many unrelated ideas being thrown at you, it's hard for the cues to gain the momentum needed to emotionally excite me.
I understand what you are saying, but I couldn't disagree with you more. For 2 reasons: 1. I don't find JW's action cues in Tintin that jerky (perhaps a little, but in a good way rather than in a way that distracts,) and 2. the music does fit the scenes very well, and that's what's counts a LOT for me.
But what you are saying is, basically: 1. You don't like "jerky music" and 2. it doesn't matter whether it fits the scenes it was written for or not, because you only consider music outside the context of the film.
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 08:46 PM
Again, that's not true. I like it to a certain extent, as long as it still allows for emotional momentum. But in Tintin that's not the case, at least not for me.But what you are saying is, basically: 1. You don't like "jerky music"
That's partially true. I look at how well the score tells the story on it's own, and how enjoyable emotionally it is without the film.and 2. it doesn't matter whether it fits the scenes it was written for or not, because you only consider music outside the context of the film.
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 08:52 PM
Still War Horse the score and Tintin the film for me. Although...I must admit that I've listened to Tintin a lot more than I've listened to War Horse, and whereas I feel exactly the same about War Horse as I did the first time I heard it, Tintin is a LOT more enjoyable to me than it used to be.
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 09:10 PM
Personally, I can't choose movie or score. Today I'll say that I prefer Tintin because I'm feeling in a more fun or "adventurerous" mood, but tomorrow I might say War Horse because I'm feeling more reflective or nostalgic... It's a pair of scores and movies so different that's impossible for me to say that I like one or another better.
However, I can say that I've been watching and listening to Tintin much more than War Horse. I don't know exactly why, but it just does...
Tintin (in my opinion) works much better in the context of the film, while War Horse works excellent both in the film version and as stand-alone listen...
So... There it is.
Hammond: There it is.
However, I can say that I've been watching and listening to Tintin much more than War Horse. I don't know exactly why, but it just does...
Tintin (in my opinion) works much better in the context of the film, while War Horse works excellent both in the film version and as stand-alone listen...
So... There it is.
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Posted 14 April 2012 - 10:04 PM
I have to admit that the War Horse on a big screen was surprisingly fabulous experience. Saw it before on computer screen and
was little bit disappointed. Great old fashioned film making which I like.Plus astounding music of course.
Can't vote. Such a different genre.
was little bit disappointed. Great old fashioned film making which I like.Plus astounding music of course.
Can't vote. Such a different genre.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 11:33 AM
You don't have to compare the two different genres.
Just consider which score you personally enjoy listening to more...
But either way, seems like WH is the more popular choice around here, although people seem to listen to it less often...
Just consider which score you personally enjoy listening to more...
But either way, seems like WH is the more popular choice around here, although people seem to listen to it less often...
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 02:42 PM
WH. I've listened to Tintin twice and enjoyed it neither times. Have listened to WH a few times and loved it.
Haven't seen WH the film but enjoyed Tintin a lot.
Haven't seen WH the film but enjoyed Tintin a lot.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 03:00 PM
I wonder why some of you (Charlie, Chaac) haven't seen WH yet.
Aren't you curious or interested?
Aren't you curious or interested?
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 03:06 PM
With two children I don't get the chance to go to the cinema often, so I tend to wait for blu-ray. Unless I positively have to see the film at the cinema or we get a rare occasion where our babysitter can take both kids, we wait. Luckily WH is on blu-ray next month.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 03:08 PM
Nothing motivates me to see this, so far.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 03:48 PM
I haven't seen WH yet. from what I've heard it's quite sad, so I'd much rather watch it with someone else, but I haven't convinced anyone who hasn't seen it to watch it with me... boring bastards.
but score-wise, WH is way better. unlike tintin, every single cue is interesting.
but score-wise, WH is way better. unlike tintin, every single cue is interesting.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 04:12 PM
War Horse on both counts, but that's not anything against Tin Tin which I like too. I will actually be watching both films this afternooon.
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I wonder why some of you (Charlie, Chaac) haven't seen WH yet.
Aren't you curious or interested?
I am, I had promised myself to see all Spielbergs from now on at the cinema (I've only seen three there), but when I went to see it they had taken out all the showings in English. And I have this weird anti-dubbing crusade of mine.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 06:24 PM
It's not weird. Dubbing is a gruesome!
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Still haven't seen War Horse. I have it, but can't be bothered just yet.
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Posted 15 April 2012 - 07:05 PM
I voted for Tin Tin - the movie and War Horse - the score.WH wins in the second category simply because it's a much better listen outside of the film.
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I am, I had promised myself to see all Spielbergs from now on at the cinema (I've only seen three there)...
Same here.
I don't go to the movies very often these days, but I need to see every JW-scored movie (and Spielberg directed movie) at the theater. It's almost a compulsion.
I haven't seen WH yet. from what I've heard it's quite sad, so I'd much rather watch it with someone else, but I haven't convinced anyone who hasn't seen it to watch it with me... boring bastards.
I'd go with you!
but score-wise, WH is way better. unlike tintin, every single cue is interesting.
Actually I think every cue in Tintin is interesting too, but in a more cartoonish way. As well it should be!
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 12:20 PM
I liked the War Horse score just a hair more than Tintin, but I love both scores. As for film, Tintin was a far more enjoyable film for me despite the merits of WH.
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I vote Cowabunga to both, even though I technically cannot.
I suggest a full frontal assault with automated laser monkeys, scalpel mines, and acid.
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I vote Cowabunga to both, even though I technically cannot.
Actually, you can double a Cowabunga, but only if your previous one was not.
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Posted 16 April 2012 - 09:25 PM
I just saw WH...
damn ninjas cutting onions...
damn ninjas cutting onions...
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Some tears? I was like Niagara falls...
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 05:56 AM
What happened to Nordic stoicism. First Breivic was crying openly in court, now you guys....
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Some tears? I was like Niagara falls...
awwww!
haha, let's just say I barely had to wash off my make up before I went to bed.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:20 AM
Some tears? I was like Niagara falls...
awwww!
haha, let's just say I barely had to wash off my make up before I went to bed.
So did watching the movie enhance your enjoyment of the score even more?
Some tears? I was like Niagara falls...
Really? :lol
It was a sad movie, sure, but I didn't shed any tears myself...
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:29 AM
I am really on the fence with choosing the better score since both exhilarate and move in different ways. War Horse is emotional and dramatic but Tintin is thrilling and adventurous. In the end perhaps by tiny fraction of difference War Horse holds the upper hand. But only by tiny speck of a fraction.
And I enjoyed the Tintin movie a bit more than War Horse which I found to be a bit too episodic.
And I enjoyed the Tintin movie a bit more than War Horse which I found to be a bit too episodic.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:36 AM
So did watching the movie enhance your enjoyment of the score even more?
oh, absolutely. I actually used to hate listening to a score before having seen the movie... nowadays it's the other way round.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:58 AM
You mean this? Yeah, a very well-scored (though small) scene!
I am really on the fence with choosing the better score since both exhilarate and move in different ways. War Horse is emotional and dramatic but Tintin is thrilling and adventurous. In the end perhaps by tiny fraction of difference War Horse holds the upper hand. But only by tiny speck of a fraction.
For me, Tintin holds the upper hand . . . but only by a tiny speck of a fraction!
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