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Started by Josh500, Apr 29 2012 05:24 PM

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Poll: Rate Rosewood! (20 member(s) have cast votes)

How would you rate the SCORE?

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  10. I haven't seen the movie (yet). (12 votes [60.00%])

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#1 Josh500

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 05:45 PM

Let's talk about this score/movie! :)

I have listened to the OS soundtrack only once so far, and I have never seen the movie. I am curious to know what you guys think of this score...

Anybody seen the movie?


Rosewood is the only score I never got into. In fact, I've listened to this only once so far, I think. I wonder what everybody thinks of it.



I love "Rosewood". I remember very well getting it, back in early '97, during a trip. I instantly put it on my Discman and fell in love for this score.


What are some of the highlights? Except, I guess, "Look Down, Lord"...

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 05:46 PM

Listen to "The town burns", "Rosewood, "The hounds of Sumner", "Trouble in town", "Mann at Rosewood", "After the Fire", "Look Down, Lord". The album is awkwardly sequenced.

Honorable Mention to Angela Morley.


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Posted 29 April 2012 - 07:14 PM

Amazing how many have seen the movie!

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 07:38 PM

The film is just 15 years old. Not TOO late to have legs.

Honorable Mention to Angela Morley.


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Posted 29 April 2012 - 08:50 PM

Both film and score got a 4 from me.

"Look Down, Lord" is absolutely gorgeous and a fine example of Williams' religious sound that I love so much. But for the longest time, I thought it was a traditional piece and not an original composition. The rest of the score is fine too, in his down-and-dirty Americana style.

The film is fine, but not without flaws. Some of the things are a little too black/white (no pun intended).

Funny to think that Williams has scored TWO films with Jon Voight starring as a lonely white, GOOD man in a black community (the other, obviously, being CONRACK).

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 08:55 PM

4 stars for the score. Not because there is anything amazing about it, but because it presents something different from what Williams usually does.

I'm not familiar with the film.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:07 PM

I literally just bought the album at half-price books. Haven't seen the movie, the score has it's moments but can be very obnoxious at times. 3 stars for the score.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:16 PM

The score has some highlights, but in the end I can't say I love it. 3 stars for me.

As for the film. Haven't seen it.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:22 PM

Score: 4.5
Film: 4

In 50 years Herrmann will be forgotten.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:25 PM

It's a fabulous score. 4.5 from me. Wasn't sure between 4.0 and 4.5, but I just added the .5 as it's generally an underrated score.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 04:19 AM

Very underrated score, but mostly because it is not well known. I like it mostly because it is so different and experimental than typical JW. It is stuff like this that I wish he had done more of.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 04:46 AM

I'll give both movie and score 4 stars.

The score is a nice blend of Williams' Americana and allusions to Southern and Gospel musical traditions. I especially love the guitar solos and admire Williams skill at incorporating the spirituals into the score. The music reminds me of the few Williams Westerns and Mark Rydell scores maestro did in the 1970's and 1980's which deal with Americana in its different forms.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:23 AM

I will definitely try to listen to this score more often in the future, but I just found out that the DVD isn't even available anymore! WTH! :blink:

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 12:48 PM

The score gets 4 from me.
I have not seen the movie, in any format, since I don't believe that it got a cinema release in the U.K. (heck, even "The Accidental Tourist" only got a limited-to-London release, at the Odeon, Panton Street - as it was then - in Feb. 1989!). This means that I have the "luxury" of relating to the score as pure music (sans coitus interuptus, as Stevie would say!).
I know that this work was a replacement score, but from listening to it, it seems that JW invested a lot of himself in the score.
I'm not sure what JW's religious or spiritual beliefs are (and I have no right to know), but the Christian themes of the score are presented with conviction, and respect.
To write over someone else's score (even if they have not heard it) must be hard for an incoming composer, and it is a testament to the JW's skill that he can not only give the director (or whoever!) what they want, but create a damn good score as well. This is the case where "Rosewood" is concerned. I look forward to seening the film soon...I hope...

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 01:29 PM

I would be interested in hearing Wynton Marsalis' original score too, but I doubt it's available anywhere.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 02:03 PM

I would be interested in hearing Wynton Marsalis' original score too, but I doubt it's available anywhere.

Actually it is. Marsalis released his music on an album called Reeltime.

http://www.amazon.co...o/dp/B00002MZ4L

Interesting that both composers employed the vocals of Shirley Caesar in their scores, which might be the only connecting aspect between the two approaches since Reeltime sounds very little like a dramatic film score.

Funny how a few jazz focused review sites seem to think this as a curiosity only from Marsalis, refering the strictures of film as a reason for piece meal feel of the album and a lack of cohesion and development. Compared to Williams' approach it is certainly more source music styled material.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 03:42 PM

Ah, thanks for the heads-up!

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 04:31 PM

Strange you have an option for one who has not seen the film, but no such comparable option for those who have not heard the score. Oh well.

@Wojo: stop being facetious.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 02:40 AM

Wow, that Wynton Marsalis is atrocious! Thank god Williams stepped in to score it.
On a different note, I can't be the only one who loves the Horn solo of Look Down Lord in Healing.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 02:57 AM

Rosewood, Presumed Innocent, and Stanley and Iris are the only three modern Williams scores that I don't own. I can't wait to give them a listen. Problem is, most of these seem like they'll be a little depressing listens, and at this point in my life that's not what I'm looking for.
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 04:05 AM

You should definitely try out Presumed Innocent. A really great score that was masterfully crafted for the film.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 04:24 AM

I've heard the end titles, and I love them.
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 05:20 AM

Wow, that Wynton Marsalis is atrocious! Thank god Williams stepped in to score it.
On a different note, I can't be the only one who loves the Horn solo of Look Down Lord in Healing.

Yes that is one of the stand out tracks with that horn solo and cello passage!

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 07:46 AM

Can't vote. Never seen the film and never heard the score. I have it though. :folder: :folder:

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 07:47 AM

Can't vote. Never seen the film and never heard the score. I have it though. :folder: :folder:

WHAT?!!!! WHAT KIND OF JW FAN ARE YOU LEAVING UNLISTENED JW SCORES LYING AROUND? LISTEN TO IT IMMEDIATELY!!!! THAT'S AN ORDER SOLDIER! :stick:

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 07:56 AM

That is embarrassing, indeed!!!

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 08:59 AM

Wow, that Wynton Marsalis is atrocious! Thank god Williams stepped in to score it.


He's a jazz musician, and a pretty decent one at that.

In 50 years Herrmann will be forgotten.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:00 AM


Can't vote. Never seen the film and never heard the score. I have it though. :folder: :folder:

WHAT?!!!! WHAT KIND OF JW FAN ARE YOU LEAVING UNLISTENED JW SCORES LYING AROUND? LISTEN TO IT IMMEDIATELY!!!! THAT'S AN ORDER SOLDIER! :stick:



Oh. dear. I've not played "Thor", "Captain America", nor "War Horse", yet. I haven't even played "Avatar", and I bought that in December, 2009. Sorry. :whistle:
As for "Rosewood", it's probably pretty hard to find right now. I bought mine in London, in 1996. I wouldn't know where to find it, now. Ebay, maybe?

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:10 AM

Why on earth do you buy CDs if you are not interested in listening to them?

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:38 AM

Why on earth do you buy CDs if you are not interested in listening to them?



I am intrested in them, Incancus, it's just that I buy so much music that some of it slips through the net, so-to-speak.I know that I'll get around to listening to these scores one day,(I can probably count the times that I have listened to "The Secret of N.I.M.H." on the fingers of one hand, and I have owned that score for nigh-on 30years!), after all, good music is forever, eh? Besides, my collections would be incomplete without them.


P.S. what does "Incancus" mean, and can I call you "Canc", for short?

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 10:54 AM


Why on earth do you buy CDs if you are not interested in listening to them?



I am intrested in them, Incancus, it's just that I buy so much music that some of it slips through the net, so-to-speak.I know that I'll get around to listening to these scores one day,(I can probably count the times that I have listened to "The Secret of N.I.M.H." on the fingers of one hand, and I have owned that score for nigh-on 30years!), after all, good music is forever, eh? Besides, my collections would be incomplete without them.


P.S. what does "Incancus" mean, and can I call you "Canc", for short?

Oh I understand this entirely. I am a bit same with books. I have a hefty reading list to do since I have several shelves of bought but yet unread ones.

It is Incanus btw. You can call me Ink for short as BloodBoal does though. Incanus is one of the names people in Lord of the Rings call Gandalf, which is one of my favourite novels. It is also by happenstance Latin which was my major at the university. It means grey or grey haired so it fits Gandalf a tad better than me. At least for now. Man this nic has hidden depths! ;)

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 09:08 AM

Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me! :lick:

Sorry for that, Ink. Actually "grey-haired" probably describes me better. :lol:

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Posted 03 May 2012 - 03:40 PM

The film's definitely worth seeing and sits interestingly alongside John Singleton's 'Boyz N' the Hood'. I remember getting the OST (via the late great Movie Boulevard in Leeds, England) when it was originally released in early 1997 (that was a feast of a year for JW music as I recall) and then seeing the film on VHS (gasp!) several months later.
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 07:15 PM

Ving Rames is good,

the story is pretty pedestrian but sadly all to common in reality.
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