Men In Black III by Danny Elfman
Started by BloodBoal, May 03 2012 07:23 PM
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 07:23 PM
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 09:50 PM
Are you fucking kidding me? I was looking forward to hearing the theme again, and this shit starts playing?
In 50 years Herrmann will be forgotten.
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 10:52 PM
Oh god my ears!!!!!
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 10:53 PM
Ugh. Now Elfman is modernising...
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 10:58 PM
I like what I'm hearing!
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 12:26 AM
It's not baaaaaad, it just seems kinda flat out of context for me.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 02:35 AM
I think the music maybe better in the film itself, depending on how the movie was made. I do agree with Ren that it seems flat and out of context. This is worse than his other two MIB scores.
On its own I don't think it would be very good.
On its own I don't think it would be very good.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 02:40 AM
Guess I'm the only one looking forward to this score. I don't think this score is as bad as some of you guys make it out to be. Though I have yet to hear the samples and will wait to see the movie first. But yeah Elfman's MIB scores aren't for everybody. But I'm fan those scores. I love how quirky and out there the music are for those.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 03:38 AM
I don't see what is so shocking about these samples. This is very typical stylistically for the modern Elfman.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 08:11 AM
I'm probably biased because these aren't scores I'd listen to in my car etc. Give me some powell though. ;-)
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 08:12 AM
I prefer Arnold over Powell.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 08:14 AM
I'm probably biased because these aren't scores I'd listen to in my car etc.
These aren't scores I'd listen to ANYWHERE, even if someone pointed a gun at me and said: "Listen to this, or I'll shoot you like a dog", because if I was shot, at least it would be a quick death, but listening to this, it would be a long and painful death.
I prefer Arnold over Powell.
They both suck. Give me Jablonsky over any of those two buffons!
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:04 AM
make it stop! make it stop now!
Give me some powell though. ;-)
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:13 AM
What's so strange for you people? It's very much in the same tone and style of the previous two scores. Personally, I dig those 1960s-styled flute-and-percussion figures. I like when Danny goes back to his Boingo roots.
"It's still baffling to me. I sit down with a pencil and a piece of paper and do my best... The remarkable thing is that my music is heard by billions of people." --John Williams
"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:26 AM
At times like these, I miss the musical voices of Reznor and Ross.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:30 AM
I honestly didn't listen past the first sample. The rock n roll vibe put me off.
In 50 years Herrmann will be forgotten.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:37 AM
What's so weird about putting the theme with a more pronounced rock vibe? It's Danny having fun with it. Also, the theme itself was already coloured by a 1960s rock 'n' roll vibe since the first score (the Mancini-like bass line, etc.)
Again, it's nothing strange. He went back to the style of the previous scores, as the rest of the samples show clearly well.
Again, it's nothing strange. He went back to the style of the previous scores, as the rest of the samples show clearly well.
"It's still baffling to me. I sit down with a pencil and a piece of paper and do my best... The remarkable thing is that my music is heard by billions of people." --John Williams
"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:39 AM
Finally, a good Elfman score since Men in Black II!
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:46 AM
I didn't find the bass line Manciniesque, nor the rest of the score very 60s. The more I see of the film the worse it looks. I had high hopes for it. I'll listen to the rest of the samples later, but his first score was one of my first forays into Elfman's catalogue and one of my favorite scores by him.What's so weird about putting the theme with a more pronounced rock vibe? It's Danny having fun with it. Also, the theme itself was already coloured by a 1960s rock 'n' roll vibe since the first score (the Mancini-like bass line, etc.)
Again, it's nothing strange. He went back to the style of the previous scores, as the rest of the samples show clearly well.
In 50 years Herrmann will be forgotten.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:52 AM
Well, the theme is clearly a nod to Mancini's Peter Gunn. The score is also peppered with some very nice 1960s stylings in terms of timbre and tone (the fluttering flutes, the bongos, the bass lines, etc., not unlike his Mission Impossible score), which fitted well the somewhat retro look of the film. Of course Danny put his own fingerprints all over it, hence it sounds just like him and no one else.
"It's still baffling to me. I sit down with a pencil and a piece of paper and do my best... The remarkable thing is that my music is heard by billions of people." --John Williams
"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 10:09 AM
Alice!!!!!!!! Hahahaha
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 10:22 AM
Well since I was not a great fan of the two other Men in Black scores the third one doesn't seem like an improvement.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 10:32 AM
I honestly didn't listen past the first sample. The rock n roll vibe put me off.
They definitely put me ON!
This sounds like a perfect sequel to the previous two scores; incorporating the famous elements while adding the 60's vibes Danny does so well.
My second favourite composer (after Williams) is on a roll these days!
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 10:32 AM
Rolling down hill you mean?My second favourite composer (after Williams) is on a roll these days!
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 10:34 AM
Rolling down hill you mean?
My second favourite composer (after Williams) is on a roll these days!
He meant barrel roll.
Or log roll.
If you put John Williams in a dryer, you get Jerry Goldsmith! You get the downside version!
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 10:35 AM
Rolling down hill you mean?
My second favourite composer (after Williams) is on a roll these days!
Rolling all the way to the bank...
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 10:47 AM
Ol' man Elfman, dat ol' man Elfman
He mus' know sumpin', but don't say nuthin'
He jes' keeps rollin' He keeps on rollin' along
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 11:05 AM
I honestly didn't listen past the first sample. The rock n roll vibe put me off.
They definitely put me ON!
This sounds like a perfect sequel to the previous two scores; incorporating the famous elements while adding the 60's vibes Danny does so well.
My second favourite composer (after Williams) is on a roll these days!
I'm not a fan of his late-2000s-present output, but Alice in Wonderland and The Wolfman were good. I like what I hear of this one too.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 11:16 AM
I am a completist of his, and I divide the film score work in three rough periods (four if count the early Boingo things) -- 1984-1996, 1996-2005 and 2005-present. With some notable exceptions I don't really connect well to the middle period between MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE and the Serenada Schizophrana. But from that concert work and onwards, it has been one brilliant score after the other, IMO.
This sounds like another entry in that string, but I'll await further evaluation untill I've heard the whole thing.
This sounds like another entry in that string, but I'll await further evaluation untill I've heard the whole thing.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 03:17 PM
Not surprised by all the negativity up here on this score. I remember someone (not here) saying things like "they wanted to rip their eardrums out after listening to Elfman's MIB scores." These scores aren't for everybody. They might come off to quirky and maybe even annoying to some but not for me. I love it when Elfman gets to have fun and not give a crap if the music is too much. And despite all the negativity up here I'm still very much looking forward to this score. I'm looking forward to this score more than his Dark Shadows score coming this month. It'll be interesting how he'll integrate his current writing style with a MIB score. Plus Elfman finally scores a trilogy. Glad to know from Maurizio's desciption of the score that Elfman is changing things up while still keeping in tone with his other MIB scores. When it comes to sequels Elfman hates rehashing and reusing music and likes to try different ideas.
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Posted 07 May 2012 - 06:55 PM
Zero interest in this score. Don't really like the other two, apart from few single tracks.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 11:19 PM
I take back my last comment, I was listening to the wrong samples.
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 08:35 PM
I like the samples except the main titles and end titles. THe electric guitar is a bit too much. As for the other tracks, it sounds like trademark Elfman. Not that that's a bad thing. I actually enjoyed his work for the MIB series. So far, my personal favorite score was MIB II, I'll have to wait until I hear the whole score to part III to see if that changes though.
Also does anyone think " mission accomplished" sounds like it was taken out of SPider Man?
agreed. = )
Also does anyone think " mission accomplished" sounds like it was taken out of SPider Man?
I honestly didn't listen past the first sample. The rock n roll vibe put me off.
They definitely put me ON!
This sounds like a perfect sequel to the previous two scores; incorporating the famous elements while adding the 60's vibes Danny does so well.
My second favourite composer (after Williams) is on a roll these days!
agreed. = )
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 05:39 PM
I like the samples except the main titles and end titles. THe electric guitar is a bit too much. As for the other tracks, it sounds like trademark Elfman. Not that that's a bad thing. I actually enjoyed his work for the MIB series. So far, my personal favorite score was MIB II, I'll have to wait until I hear the whole score to part III to see if that changes though.
Also does anyone think " mission accomplished" sounds like it was taken out of SPider Man?
I honestly didn't listen past the first sample. The rock n roll vibe put me off.
They definitely put me ON!
This sounds like a perfect sequel to the previous two scores; incorporating the famous elements while adding the 60's vibes Danny does so well.
My second favourite composer (after Williams) is on a roll these days!
agreed. = )
I have yet to hear the samples. But I think Elfman is one of the few composers who know how to integrate an electric guitar with an orchestra without it feeling out of place.
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 05:50 PM
John Barry, Kamen, David Arnold, Goldmsith...
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 05:55 PM
John Barry, Kamen, David Arnold, Goldmsith...
I did say one of the few.
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 06:00 PM
Hans Zimmer, John Powell, Michael Giachino
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 07:04 PM
I haven't listened to the clips, but hasn't Elfman been off the boil for sometime now?
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 07:05 PM
That was the 90's, he's ok now
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