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[Matt C]

The samples have me mixed. The airy, less heavy sound is refreshing for a superhero film, but on the other hand -- it makes the orchestra sound smaller and underpowered. And the first minute's worth of samples sound like Horner is trying to emulate the temp-track and keep away from it... I hear some minor Elfman and Young 'influences' there.

And there's no big theme that leaps out at me. But then, it's just samples.

[Jason LeBlanc]

The Amazon page now reveals the cover art:



Source: http://www.amazon.co...ZI/ref=jwfancom




Also I wanted to link again to the latest episode of Tim Burden's great radio show Movie Magic, which premiered clips to the score.

http://soundcloud.co...featuring-james

Somebody has taken the clips that aired on his show and compiled them into a youtube video:

[ChrisAfonso]

Lets hope that there are no last minute changes on this one.

You mean, Horner being thrown out and replaced by Gabriel Yared?

[Jason LeBlanc]

He was referring to Picking Pockets being dropped at the last minute from the Adventures of Tintin OST, which was also released by Sony Classical.

[gkgyver]

I'm confused at the first half of these samples.

Did they temp the film with Elfman's scores, hire Horner to do something different, to then ask him to emulate the temp Elfman score?

The second half of things sound more interesting, but I still feel Elfman nailed it square on the head the first time around.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Did they temp the film with Elfman's scores, hire Horner to do something different, to then ask him to emulate the temp Elfman score?

That's exactly the thought I had! It's like the filmmakers really wanted the Elfman sound, but couldn't hire Elfman after what happened with Spidey 2, and couldn't hire Young after Spidey 3, so they got someone else to just emulate his sound. Horner must have been an expensive way to get what they wanted!

[Delorean90]

Seems like ultimately it would be less expensive to just not screw people over...nah!

I do like the action material. Temping aside, this sounds like it could be pretty darn good.

[KK.]

Did they temp the film with Elfman's scores, hire Horner to do something different, to then ask him to emulate the temp Elfman score?

That's exactly the thought I had! It's like the filmmakers really wanted the Elfman sound, but couldn't hire Elfman after what happened with Spidey 2, and couldn't hire Young after Spidey 3, so they got someone else to just emulate his sound. Horner must have been an expensive way to get what they wanted!

That's exactly what I thought as well. There are some very promising bits in there, but the opening modern samples leave me a bit confused. Regardless, I'm not hearing any major regurgitations of past efforts so I'm really interested in what we'll be getting back.

[Chaac]

Some moments sound like a simple convergent evolution of Elfman's style and Horner's. Others do sound like Horner's emulating Elfman.

The theme is very Hornerish.

[KK.]

The theme is very Hornerish.

That, it is.

I don't think the theme lives up to Elfman's work. But I still like it and it fits very well with Horner's usual repertoire.

[nightscape94]

Horns are unmistakably Horner

[Wojo]

Just like drums are unmistakably drummer.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Here's a clip of the film featuring Horner's score:

[Pieter_Boelen]

Seems like ultimately it would be less expensive to just not screw people over...nah!

LOL! Now you're just being silly!

[Jason LeBlanc]

Here's another clip of the film, in which you can hear the main hero theme (Spider-man's Theme) at work



Earlier in the film there is a piano theme (Petere's Theme) in most cues, the hero theme doesn't show up until he dons the costume, I believe

[gkgyver]

Sounds very nice.
But it still sounds like Elfman. And nobody does Elfman better than Elfman. His energetic theme crushes this one to dust.

[publicist]

Hmmm...if you'd have told me some RCP slave churned this out, i would have believed it. Simple ostinati and lacking any finesse in catching the on-screen activity is a tough price to pay for not hearing a Horner score made up of danger motifs and Braveheart leftovers.

[Ro Sajooc]

I like more Elfman's theme, but this is not bad.

[BloodBoal]

Young's Black Suit theme still is the best theme from this franchise...

[Jason LeBlanc]

I really liked Doctor Ocopus's Theme (especially it's reprise in Young's main titles) and the Sandman music too

[Incanus]

Sounds very nice.
But it still sounds like Elfman. And nobody does Elfman better than Elfman. His energetic theme crushes this one to dust.

Can you or anyone else give me time stamps so I can finally hear clearly this Spiderman theme people keep raving about. What would be the juiciest renditions of it in the two Elfman scores?

[Jason LeBlanc]

Just listen to the main titles of any of the 3 scores

[Incanus]

Right-o!

[igger6]

The hero theme sounds cool, but I too thought the whole package sounded like the music you'd hear if you had a weird dream about what the new Spider-Man music would sound like, a sort of chipper mix of previous Horner and previous Elfman. It's a bird! It's a plane! It's Horn-Man!

Also, did anyone else hear the nearly note-for-note quote of Menken's "Beauty and the Beast" at 4:29 in the Youtube medley?

[crocodile]

It might be a bit cynical, but at this point I'll swallow anything Horner gives me. These days when summer blockbusters sound as they sound, his endless repetition and tired sound are pure gold.

Karol

[KK.]

It might be a bit cynical, but at this point I'll swallow anything Horner gives me. These days when summer blockbusters sound as they sound, his endless repetition and tired sound are pure gold.

Karol

Sadly, that was quite spot on!

[Chaac]

Just listen to the main titles of any of the 3 scores

Indeed. Epic as hell.

[p0llux]

Horner's Spidey theme is more fantasy than heroic to me. Based on that cue, I think it's best suited for one of those glorious flyover shots of some magical and mystical place that's revealed for the first time after some action scene in a fantasy film, rather than Spider-man successfully outruns the police.

I really liked Doctor Ocopus's Theme (especially it's reprise in Young's main titles) and the Sandman music too

Speaking of Doc Ock, Elfman's Doc Ock theme was one of the most fitting themes for a character I've heard in YEARS. It's so perfect. Same with the Goblin's theme. Man, he nailed those two character's themes perfectly.

[KK.]

Just listen to the main titles of any of the 3 scores

Indeed. Epic as hell.

Thanks for that Chaac, it was really nice hearing that theme again (its been a while). It continues to marvel me how Elfman nailed Spiderman with his music. That theme is definitely a modern classic.

I don't think Horner will do so with the same degree of effectiveness, but I'm really liking what I'm hearing so far. The more clips I see/hear, the more excited I am for the score. For the film it works the other way around however. I mean with each new clip, this film looks more and more awful and cliche....

I know people around here don't like the original trilogy (although I do), but Raimi's films seems to be way better than this cheap trash....

[Matt C]

And nobody does Elfman better than Elfman. His energetic theme crushes this one to dust.

Sadly, I agree. Horner's theme feels very underwhelming, and in the chase scene it feels... unsynchronized to the visuals. And the scene is badly shot and edited as a whole.

I think both movie and score will disappoint a lot of people, not just the die-hards.

[king mark]

clips sound ok. At least it sounds like a theme, Avengers has nothing of the sort (listened to that once and never plan to again)

[Trent Bennett]

I know people around here don't like the original trilogy (although I do), but Raimi's films seems to be way better than this cheap trash....

I was initially against this film at first but the clips make it optimistic now. All though I hope it doesn't suck.

Regarding Raimi's original films I too like them unlike a lot of others. All though for Spider-Man 3 I think there were way to many villains. If the film had just concentrated on Harry's and Marko's story line then it would probably have been better.

I mean we know that Harry finally realized that Peter was telling the truth about his father's death and came to the aid of his friend in the end but still... despite the film being some what of a mess for the most part it was enjoyable.

Spider-Man 2 will always be my favorite of the three films.

[Miles Prower]

Oh thank goodness, someone agrees. Spidey 3's one of those that's far better than its reputation suggests - fanboys blowing it out of proportion and such. But I like all the films.

Really, they should have done a soft reboot (think Batman Forever), but hopefully this new one's decent.

[Koray Savas]

Soft reboot? What does that mean?

That actually got me thinking, why isn't Forever and Batman & Robin considered an entirely new series within a franchise, like with Nolan's films?

[Miles Prower]

There's a different actor, but it's mostly in the same continuity. Maybe a bad example - the Bond films (up to DAD) perhaps?

[publicist]

Columbia's marketing machine obviously has triggered the usual demographics into seriously considering watching this drivel. If you do, never complain again about the largely terrible summer blockbusters.

[Quint]

Indeed.

[publicist]

A 10-minute first listen:

http://www.youtube.c...v=_hj_YZEQzcU#!

For anyone fearing an absence of the good 'ole Horner of yesteryear, fear not: at the 1-minute mark, ROCKETEER/WRATH OF KHAN get the honors.

[Richard Penna]

I love how the 'hero' theme works in the chase scene, and actually the CG spidey there is damn good.

The extended clips in that YT clip are good, but nothing that special. Can't judge the score properly like that. And the hero quote from the chase scene is on the CD (Metamorphosis) - that's good.

And 'End Credits' seems to have a Rocketeer-esque thematic 'in your face' moment when the whole orchestra belts out the main theme a few times. Love 'em

clips sound ok. At least it sounds like a theme, Avengers has nothing of the sort (listened to that once and never plan to again)

It does - it's just one of the least interesting/memorable themes I've ever heard from Silvestri.

[KK.]

I know people around here don't like the original trilogy (although I do), but Raimi's films seems to be way better than this cheap trash....

I was initially against this film at first but the clips make it optimistic now. All though I hope it doesn't suck.

Regarding Raimi's original films I too like them unlike a lot of others. All though for Spider-Man 3 I think there were way to many villains. If the film had just concentrated on Harry's and Marko's story line then it would probably have been better.

I mean we know that Harry finally realized that Peter was telling the truth about his father's death and came to the aid of his friend in the end but still... despite the film being some what of a mess for the most part it was enjoyable.

Spider-Man 2 will always be my favorite of the three films.

Agreed! Spiderman 2 was easily the best of the franchise. For Spiderman 3, there was a lack of focus. And it had its fair share of flaws, I mean that little dance McGuire did was....disturbing in the least.