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Posted 08 July 2012 - 07:17 PM
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 08:01 PM
You do realize that I actually have more Horner scores than Goldsmith scores. I'm going to download his Boy in the Striped Pajamas. Horner playing the piano....I'm there.
I got the soundtrack the other day and it's been in the car. That is my favorite place to listen to music.
Very good score.
I was gonna wait a little more to get it, but a Joey endorsement has robbed me of $9 on iTunes.
OH God, Joe is posting again, someone hand me my pills!
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 08:28 PM
You do realize that I actually have more Horner scores than Goldsmith scores. I'm going to download his Boy in the Striped Pajamas. Horner playing the piano....I'm there.
I got the soundtrack the other day and it's been in the car. That is my favorite place to listen to music.
Very good score.
I was gonna wait a little more to get it, but a Joey endorsement has robbed me of $9 on iTunes.
Yeah, but you generally have good taste.
Does that make sense? If you like it, I generally like it. If you don't like it, I still might like it, there's plenty of those. But the stuff you like generally tends to be stuff I find to be at least enjoyable as well.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 08:53 PM
Elfman's rising and falling chords cleverly suggest Spidey's web slinging, But it's a motific idea, not a fully fleshed out theme (which has never really been Elfman's forte anyway)
Do you really need me to hum the theme to you?
It kick's the shit out of Horner's hero theme. It's Elfman's great superhero theme in my opinion. The thing he happens to be good at. Very good.
However what Elfman does through the scores is quoting small parts of a long theme in a different order to the original exposition in the main titles as needed, creating in some people the illusion that there isn't a theme there, while all the parts are clearly there.
I need to listen to Young's Spider-Man, I enjoy his work a lot and I think I'll love it.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 09:36 PM
It kick's the shit out of Horner's hero theme.
So let us clarify something: you're actually saying that theme that can be heard here at 0:39 (and then 0:55, 1:48):
is actually better than the theme heard here (2:25-4:00)?
Seriously?
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 09:55 PM
Yes.
I like how Elfman's theme is a theme of anticipation instead of a triumphal one, before also turning triumphal (much more triumphal). It's got a rising development and a structure in sections more fun that this track you put that repeats the same four phrase idea a few times. The swinging ostinato is really neat. And the orchestration sounds less forced, Horner obviously fires all the artillery at the same time wanting to wow you, Elfman's approach just works.. Coooler use of electronics and rythms, with details like the trumpet solo and the rythm calming down at the end. There's also, in the second score, the interpolation of Doc Ock's theme (a campy fun villain theme much in the vein of the one in Chicken Run, for example), and the really simple but cool addition of the two note choir idea.
That Horner cue, is of course perfectly listenable, but it sounds more generic and way less intense to my ears. Horner has done better. For a recent heroic theme by Horner, this one is amazing:
or 6:59 here
Zorro and The Rocketeer got better themes that Spidey from Horner. His Spidey is cute, though.
I like how Elfman's theme is a theme of anticipation instead of a triumphal one, before also turning triumphal (much more triumphal). It's got a rising development and a structure in sections more fun that this track you put that repeats the same four phrase idea a few times. The swinging ostinato is really neat. And the orchestration sounds less forced, Horner obviously fires all the artillery at the same time wanting to wow you, Elfman's approach just works.. Coooler use of electronics and rythms, with details like the trumpet solo and the rythm calming down at the end. There's also, in the second score, the interpolation of Doc Ock's theme (a campy fun villain theme much in the vein of the one in Chicken Run, for example), and the really simple but cool addition of the two note choir idea.
That Horner cue, is of course perfectly listenable, but it sounds more generic and way less intense to my ears. Horner has done better. For a recent heroic theme by Horner, this one is amazing:
or 6:59 here
Zorro and The Rocketeer got better themes that Spidey from Horner. His Spidey is cute, though.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 10:02 PM
Yes, but you seem to be amazed (pun unintended) by the treatment of the Elfman's theme than the actual tune. And with that I can't argue - he does some really cool things with all his thematic material. I very much like his scores. There are actually three Spider-Man themes he wrote: the heroic one (which I'm referring to), the angst of Spider-Man theme and power and responsobility theme. I like the other two more than the main one. All of them make an appearance in the main title. The main idea itself is not really inspired. Horner's theme feels more like something from an old film, like Rocketeer or something. It is more obvious and direct, which I think is crucial to Spider-Man. It might be too in-your-face for modern audience, but I think that suits the character.
I never really warmed up to the Avatar theme you posted.
Well, I guess our tastes are very different.
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I never really warmed up to the Avatar theme you posted.
Well, I guess our tastes are very different.
Karol
From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 10:03 PM
It kick's the shit out of Horner's hero theme.
So let us clarify something: you're actually saying that theme that can be heard here at 0:39 (and then 0:55, 1:48):
is actually better than the theme heard here (2:25-4:00)?
Seriously?
Karol
Yup. As I've said before, Elfman's theme is the perfect musical embodiment of Spiderman
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 10:05 PM
The power & responsobility theme suits him better. It has this nostalgic New York feel.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
- Christopher Nolan
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 10:13 PM
Yes, but you seem to be amazed (pun unintended) by the treatment of the Elfman's theme than the actual tune. And with that I can't argue - he does some really cool things with all his thematic material. I very much like his scores. There are actually three Spider-Man themes he wrote: the heroic one (which I'm referring to), the angst of Spider-Man theme and power and responsobility theme. I like the other two more than the main one. All of them make an appearance in the main title. The main idea itself is not really inspired. Horner's theme feels more like something from an old film, like Rocketeer or something. It is more obvious and direct, which I think is crucial to Spider-Man. It might be too in-your-face for modern audience, but I think that suits the character.
I never really warmed up to the Avatar theme you posted.
Well, I guess our tastes are very different.
Aaaaaah. I was thinking of it all as the same long theme all the time. It sounds cohesive to me, in that sense, as it flows forward so well. Even then, I like the hero part a lot (really adventurous), but it's the combination of it all that finally makes me like it better than Horner's theme.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:10 PM
What I love about Horner's theme is that it uses the bright hero trumpet very prominently. I don't think I've heard a hero trumpet theme for a superhero in ages.
It is exciting.
I guess this is what Hans Zimmer recently described as "bullshit heroic".
It is exciting.
I guess this is what Hans Zimmer recently described as "bullshit heroic".
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:29 PM
I'm sorry. Elfman's theme for Spider-Man sucks--gorges itself---on hairy spider reproductive organs. And I glanced someone saying it's Elfman's best hero theme.
AHEM. Batman just called, he would like to pummel you into a wall right about...now.
AHEM. Batman just called, he would like to pummel you into a wall right about...now.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:37 PM
This is the first time i've heard Horner's theme, but I definitely like Elfman's more. Horner's is too predictable.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:52 PM
Elfman's Spiderman suffers the most horrible of things, it's forgettable.
OH God, Joe is posting again, someone hand me my pills!
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 11:52 PM
I'm sorry. Elfman's theme for Spider-Man sucks--gorges itself---on hairy spider reproductive organs. And I glanced someone saying it's Elfman's best hero theme.
AHEM. Batman just called, he would like to pummel you into a wall right about...now.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 04:41 AM
What I love about Horner's theme is that it uses the bright hero trumpet very prominently. I don't think I've heard a hero trumpet theme for a superhero in ages.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 06:41 AM
Unbreakable has some good trumpet solos too, although they aren't anywhere close to the way they're used in more traditional superhero films.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 01:39 PM
Just wanted to remind everyone that this is the thread to discuss Horner's SCORE.
Discussion of the actual MOVIE should be held here:
The Amazing Spider-Man (2012 Reboot film)
I've moved the posts discussing the movie to that thread.
Discussion of the actual MOVIE should be held here:
The Amazing Spider-Man (2012 Reboot film)
I've moved the posts discussing the movie to that thread.
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True chronological order for those who like to split tracks:
01 Main Title / Young Peter (4:54)
05 The Briefcase (3:14)
07a Secrets (2:30) [0:00-1:05] (1:05)
06 The Spider Room - Rumble In The Subway (3:20)
07b "Meatloaf" (2:30) [1:05-end] (1:25)
04 Hunting For Information (2:07)
08a The Equation [0:00-2:24] (2:24) (4:22)
03 Playing Basketball (1:22)
09 The Ganali Device (2:28)
10 Ben's Death (5:41)
02 Becoming Spider-man (4:16)
11b "A Narrow Escape" [1:50-end] (1:14)
08b "Connor's Dream" [2:24-end] (1:58)
11a Metamorphosis [0:00-1:50] (1:50)
12 Rooftop Kiss (2:34)
13 The Bridge (5:15)
14 Peter's Suspicions (3:01)
15 Making a Silk Trap (2:52)
16 Lizard At School! (2:57)
17 Saving New York (7:52)
18 Oscorp Tower (3:22)
19 I Can't See You Anymore (6:50)
20 Promises - Spider-man End Titles (4:52)
01 Main Title / Young Peter (4:54)
05 The Briefcase (3:14)
07a Secrets (2:30) [0:00-1:05] (1:05)
06 The Spider Room - Rumble In The Subway (3:20)
07b "Meatloaf" (2:30) [1:05-end] (1:25)
04 Hunting For Information (2:07)
08a The Equation [0:00-2:24] (2:24) (4:22)
03 Playing Basketball (1:22)
09 The Ganali Device (2:28)
10 Ben's Death (5:41)
02 Becoming Spider-man (4:16)
11b "A Narrow Escape" [1:50-end] (1:14)
08b "Connor's Dream" [2:24-end] (1:58)
11a Metamorphosis [0:00-1:50] (1:50)
12 Rooftop Kiss (2:34)
13 The Bridge (5:15)
14 Peter's Suspicions (3:01)
15 Making a Silk Trap (2:52)
16 Lizard At School! (2:57)
17 Saving New York (7:52)
18 Oscorp Tower (3:22)
19 I Can't See You Anymore (6:50)
20 Promises - Spider-man End Titles (4:52)
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 05:18 PM
A clip from the Blu-Ray release covering the scoring process. It's the first five minutes or so of this video.
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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate.
- Christopher Nolan
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