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#81 Incanus

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:12 AM

I'm about 99% sure that Ra's Al Ghul's theme is reused in track 6 :D

I could easily ask as a joke "Ra's Al Ghul had a theme?" but I won't because I am too classy a fellow to go for BloodBoal style tactics.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:15 AM

The sheer ignorance in this thread is overwhelming.


So what? Did you listen to those samples and found ANYTHING that was more than tired rehash of older stuff? There sure wasn't anything rivalling the joker music from the last film.
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:15 AM



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Posted 15 June 2012 - 07:20 AM


The sheer ignorance in this thread is overwhelming.


So what? Did you listen to those samples and found ANYTHING that was more than tired rehash of older stuff? There sure wasn't anything rivalling the joker music from the last film.


Ah, now I remember the Joker music was great in the film.

The chant and the anvil in the trailers was exciting. I wonder if that will be to Bane what the different Joker motifs were to the Joker.

There's nothing cool like that in the samples though.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 07:33 AM

Come on, are you guys really that irritated over hearing 7 1/2 minutes of music...from a 52 minute score album? :l

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 07:38 AM

I'm predicting there'll be some good stuff that'll remain unreleased.


Koray, why are ignorant these opinions on the samples? Care to enlighten us?

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 12:57 PM

So... the movie ends with him at his parent's grave? (since it's the same music as in the other movie)
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 01:01 PM

There's no assurance the OST is any any form of chronological order
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Posted 15 June 2012 - 03:03 PM


The sheer ignorance in this thread is overwhelming.

Now now do you really expect people at JWFan wouldn't throw a few jokes about Zimmer when his new score comes out. As incredible as it sounds some people are not just that into Zimmer around here and if the sound clips indicate pretty clearly that it is the same style of music (not surprising or unexpected) as he has delivered for the previous two installments of this Batman series, then it can be expected that some of us are not exactly jumping with anticipation.

If by some miracle old Hans succeeds converting me to his sound with the rest of the material in the film and on the soundtrack album then I am honestly amazed and impressed.

Then why keep listening? I hate Tyler Bates, but I don't go around listening to every one of his new scores exclaiming how terrible I think it is. This isn't even the score on album or in film, but samples. A mere 7 minutes of out of context music.



The sheer ignorance in this thread is overwhelming.


So what? Did you listen to those samples and found ANYTHING that was more than tired rehash of older stuff? There sure wasn't anything rivalling the joker music from the last film.

No one here is qualified to make that statement.

Man John Williams is using Hedwig's theme again in that sample for Prisoner Of Azkaban, what a tired old hack who rehashes older material from a FRANCHISE.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 03:14 PM



The sheer ignorance in this thread is overwhelming.

Now now do you really expect people at JWFan wouldn't throw a few jokes about Zimmer when his new score comes out. As incredible as it sounds some people are not just that into Zimmer around here and if the sound clips indicate pretty clearly that it is the same style of music (not surprising or unexpected) as he has delivered for the previous two installments of this Batman series, then it can be expected that some of us are not exactly jumping with anticipation.

If by some miracle old Hans succeeds converting me to his sound with the rest of the material in the film and on the soundtrack album then I am honestly amazed and impressed.

Then why keep listening?

I have hopes that Zimmer will one day change his wicked ways and return to the light. ;)

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 04:13 PM



The sheer ignorance in this thread is overwhelming.

Now now do you really expect people at JWFan wouldn't throw a few jokes about Zimmer when his new score comes out. As incredible as it sounds some people are not just that into Zimmer around here and if the sound clips indicate pretty clearly that it is the same style of music (not surprising or unexpected) as he has delivered for the previous two installments of this Batman series, then it can be expected that some of us are not exactly jumping with anticipation.

If by some miracle old Hans succeeds converting me to his sound with the rest of the material in the film and on the soundtrack album then I am honestly amazed and impressed.

Then why keep listening? I hate Tyler Bates, but I don't go around listening to every one of his new scores exclaiming how terrible I think it is.


I have to listen to it to know if I like it. I don't have psychic powers.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:57 PM


Then why keep listening?

I have hopes that Zimmer will one day change his wicked ways and return to the light. ;)

Ah, at least you acknowledge that he was once good ;)


Then why keep listening? I hate Tyler Bates, but I don't go around listening to every one of his new scores exclaiming how terrible I think it is.


I have to listen to it to know if I like it. I don't have psychic powers.

There's always a point of no return. If you don't like someone's style, what makes you think you'll like it later on, especially in a franchise situation like this?

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:24 PM



Then why keep listening? I hate Tyler Bates, but I don't go around listening to every one of his new scores exclaiming how terrible I think it is.


I have to listen to it to know if I like it. I don't have psychic powers.

There's always a point of no return. If you don't like someone's style, what makes you think you'll like it later on, especially in a franchise situation like this?


No you're getting me wrong here. I like Zimmer sometimes. That's why I keep listening to it. I've defended his work on Batman sometimes, even if it's not like I would prefer it to be. I just find these samples boring, and I'm afraid the rest the score could be more or less like this. Why? Lack of enthusiasm?

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 07:24 PM

The sheer ignorance in this thread is overwhelming.


I agree. I mean, Incanus didn't even know the Moussaka song! Who the hell is this dude?



I'm about 99% sure that Ra's Al Ghul's theme is reused in track 6 :D

I could easily ask as a joke "Ra's Al Ghul had a theme?" but I won't because I am too classy a fellow to go for BloodBoal style tactics.


Hey, my tactics are classy!

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 04:20 AM

Why? Lack of enthusiasm?


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Posted 16 June 2012 - 05:20 AM

Classy Tactics would be a good name for a band.

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 05:49 AM

True. And it should be formed by a xylophonist, a ukulele player, a bongo drummer and a Tibetan throat singer to give it sweet contrast.

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 07:40 AM

And an electric guitar! We need more electric guitars! Haven't you learned anything from Chase Through Coruscant?

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 01:39 PM

Come on, are you guys really that irritated over hearing 7 1/2 minutes of music...from a 52 minute score album? :l

Really, has any score, any, especially a Zimmer score, ever radically changed its level of appeal in full form as opposed to 30 second samples?The full Dark Knight sessions are a waste of time.

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 01:42 PM

At World's End has cool stuff out of the album. The album is truncated.

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Posted 16 June 2012 - 05:36 PM

If you don't like someone's style, what makes you think you'll like it later on, especially in a franchise situation like this?


Because someone may not like John Williams' style in Episodes I, II, or III, but they may like the work he did on the later episodes. ;)

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 10:29 PM

More soundtrack samples:

http://www.superhero...ght-rises-score

Taking the music for what it is so far, "Mind If I Cut In" and "The Fire Rises" seem to be standouts so far. I also like some of the electronic colors he's using, particularly the distant, airy treatment of the minor third motive in "On Thin Ice." Also, just got to "Fear Will Find You," and it's nice to hear some trumpet action in there.

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Posted 25 June 2012 - 11:01 PM

Bits of these samples are a bit better.

I think the commercial release might favour the more atmpsheric and synthy/ritmic parts of the score over more stuff like Mind if I cut In? that might as well be perfectly present on the score.

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Posted 26 June 2012 - 12:42 AM

Pleasantly surprised to hear an actual acoustic cello in "Mind If I Cut In?".

I find it a bit absurd that the 30-second sample covers the entirety of "Death By Exile" with room to spare. Why have a track that's so short?
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 01:49 PM

More samples, I can't listen to say if they are the same as previous ones or not

http://watertowermus...search=WTM39313
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Posted 26 June 2012 - 03:34 PM

I can't listen to say if they are the same as previous ones or not

http://watertowermus...search=WTM39313

When the full score is released, even then people won't be able to say which track is from which film when confronted with a random piece of "music" from any of the scores.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 07:35 AM

I will.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 11:26 AM


If you don't like someone's style, what makes you think you'll like it later on, especially in a franchise situation like this?


Because someone may not like John Williams' style in Episodes I, II, or III, but they may like the work he did on the later episodes. ;)


I find most of Dead Man's Chest rather rubbish, but I really enjoy At World's End - there was a huge stylistic difference between those two scores.

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Posted 27 June 2012 - 03:59 PM

More samples, I can't listen to say if they are the same as previous ones or not

http://watertowermus...search=WTM39313


omg, if noise has a name it must be Hanz Zimmer.
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Posted 27 June 2012 - 04:29 PM


More samples, I can't listen to say if they are the same as previous ones or not

http://watertowermus...search=WTM39313


omg, if noise has a name it must be Hanz Zimmer.


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Posted 06 July 2012 - 07:57 PM

Just listened to these 60-second samples from the score. And while most people here won't like whatever Zimmer comes up with, I can hear some developments of the material from the previous two scores. Sounds like Zimmer managed to expand the palette to make it sound more fresh than I expected. I like that, surprisingly. Also, shorter albums usually serve his work better.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:53 AM

Full album available in streaming:

http://www.empireonl...y.asp?NID=34498
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Posted 10 July 2012 - 09:58 AM

Sweet!!!! Going to make bfast and listen

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 02:03 PM

I like it actually. The farther Zimmer is willing to go away from the traditional orchestral music, the better his work is. IMO, of course.

It is, of course, much different from my usual stew. But I appreciate it. There's some nice ideas in there and some new twists on the old ones.

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From a storytelling point of view, from a directing point of view, there is one thing I associate with what he does, which is calm. There is such an inherent calm and inherent trust of the one powerful image, that he makes me embarrassed with my own work, in terms of how many different shots, how many different sound effects, how many different things we’ll throw at an audience to make an impression. But with Kubrick, there is such a great trust of the one correct image to calmly explain something to audience. There can be some slowness to the editing. There’s nothing frenetic about it. It’s very simple. There’s a trust in simple storytelling and simple image making that actually takes massive confidence to try and emulate. - Christopher Nolan

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 02:03 PM

I'm listening to the score right now. It's less murky and atonal than The Dark Knight, but a lot of it re-arranges material from Batman Begins and TDK again (especially in "Nothing Out There" and "Despair"). I get why James Newton Howard opted not to join the final film, but his more human touch is sorely missing here.

That said, it gets good whenever Hans does something new, like the acoustic cello and mischievous piano in "May I Cut in?" and obviously the choral chanting for Bane. But... sadly, it's just Zimmer on autopilot for the most part. Seriously, Nolan, this is why some film music fans hate Zimmer -- because people like you chain him down and have him re-arrange his older material.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 02:07 PM

He actually develops this material. Which didn't happen much with the previous one.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 02:10 PM

Seriously, Nolan, this is why some film music fans hate Zimmer -- because people like you chain him down and have him re-arrange his older material.


He actually develops this material. Which didn't happen much with the previous one.


So, there's only one logical explanation: it was James Newton Howard chaining him down and have himre-arrange his older material in TDK.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 02:11 PM

I'm going to need the complete score before getting to any conclusion.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 02:14 PM

The entire album is not enough?

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 02:24 PM

If I find myself in a situation like At World's End, no.

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