99% of the people here couldn't be happier with the path Williams took. It's made him more than just an artist - it's made him revered like no other, peerless, an icon and a living legend. Poor you and your 1%.
Time for a good ol' fashion poll
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 03:06 PM
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 05:42 PM
I wish Williams would write for people besides Spielberg too. What was the last one, Memoirs Of A Geisha 7 years ago?
It's great if you find long-time collaborators, but to work exclusively with them? Seems like limiting yourself from some interesting opportunities. Hopefully Giacchino breaks his rule of only working with friends, I feel like he's already hit his peak.
It's great if you find long-time collaborators, but to work exclusively with them? Seems like limiting yourself from some interesting opportunities. Hopefully Giacchino breaks his rule of only working with friends, I feel like he's already hit his peak.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 05:48 PM
Williams happily wrote for others, when he wasn't semi-retired. He's 80 years old now, try to bear that in mind.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 05:48 PM
Morricone's older 
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 05:52 PM
What's your point? Morricone chooses to keep working, good on him.
People acting like Williams never wrote for anyone else after meeting Spielberg are full of shit.
People acting like Williams never wrote for anyone else after meeting Spielberg are full of shit.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 05:55 PM
What Quint said. Williams has had a one of a kind career. It is only fitting that he limits his scoring assingments to Spielberg nowadays. It provides a nice coda to his succes story. Williams deserves more 'blind fans' like me. The true blind among us are those who can't take a bird's eye view on Williams' total output and keep whining about his latest music being 'generic'.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 06:00 PM
My point is that age has nothing to do with it. Besides I never said nor implied your second comment. I feel Williams' music has become run-of-the-mill over the past 7 years, with War Horse taking a nice step in the right direction. I have high hopes for Lincoln, been waiting for that one since it was announced, but it'd be nice if he did a couple other films while he does his concert work between Spielberg projects.What's your point? Morricone chooses to keep working, good on him.
People acting like Williams never wrote for anyone else after meeting Spielberg are full of shit.
In 50 years Herrmann will be forgotten.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 06:12 PM
Age has EVERYTHING to do with it. The man is eighty. That you have no concept of what I'm getting at is... expected.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 06:25 PM
Age has EVERYTHING to do with it. The man is eighty. That you have no concept of what I'm getting at is... expected.
Yeah, but Koray reasons: "If one man [Morricone] can do this and that at age 80 then ALL men can do this and that at 80". Hence his absurd generalization: 'Age has nothing to do with it.'
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 06:39 PM
at Williams age he has a right to chose when and how he wants to work. I believe it was Miguel A who said Williams wants to work on HIS own compositions and if that's what he wants to do that's what he should do.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 06:53 PM
Absolutely, I just wish he would still branch out.at Williams age he has a right to chose when and how he wants to work. I believe it was Miguel A who said Williams wants to work on HIS own compositions and if that's what he wants to do that's what he should do.
In 50 years Herrmann will be forgotten.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 07:48 PM
Whilst we're at it, let's belittle Gene Hackman for being too bone idle to dabble in the limelight anymore. Gene Wilder, too - what's his excuse? Sean Connery prefers to play golf in Spain instead of making movies, the lazy bastard.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 07:56 PM
there is a difference though between giving an acting performance and creating new music. There are only so many roles for actors that age, but Williams music is ageless.Whilst we're at it, let's belittle Gene Hackman for being too bone idle to dabble in the limelight anymore. Gene Wilder, too - what's his excuse? Sean Connery prefers to play golf in Spain instead of making movies, the lazy bastard.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 07:59 PM
Guys, the notion that Williams is only writing these days for Steven Spielberg is false. His concert works aren't written for Spielberg, and he's writing those fairly quickly.
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1. Nightwatch/Killer By Night - Johnny Williams and Quincy Jones 2. Diamond Head/Gone with the Wave - Johnny Williams/Lalo Schifrin 3. Mass - Leonard Bernstein 4. Bernstein with the New York Philharmonic - Leonard Bernstein
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 08:03 PM
you're correct and incorrect. He's only writing film scores for Spielberg, that is 100% correct. His concert works are for himself.Guys, the notion that Williams is only writing these days for Steven Spielberg is false. His concert works aren't written for Spielberg, and he's writing those fairly quickly.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 08:09 PM
I guess my point is, if you want variety in Williams' modern music (and the variety that Spielberg scores provide isn't enough), then listen to his concert works.
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1. Nightwatch/Killer By Night - Johnny Williams and Quincy Jones 2. Diamond Head/Gone with the Wave - Johnny Williams/Lalo Schifrin 3. Mass - Leonard Bernstein 4. Bernstein with the New York Philharmonic - Leonard Bernstein
1. Nightwatch/Killer By Night - Johnny Williams and Quincy Jones 2. Diamond Head/Gone with the Wave - Johnny Williams/Lalo Schifrin 3. Mass - Leonard Bernstein 4. Bernstein with the New York Philharmonic - Leonard Bernstein
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 08:21 PM
there is a difference though between giving an acting performance and creating new music. There are only so many roles for actors that age, but Williams music is ageless.
Whilst we're at it, let's belittle Gene Hackman for being too bone idle to dabble in the limelight anymore. Gene Wilder, too - what's his excuse? Sean Connery prefers to play golf in Spain instead of making movies, the lazy bastard.
Debatable, but the age element - and more specifically - the sense of personal fulfilment, is arguably a universal aspect which comes into play, in all walks of life and of varying degrees of success and accomplishment. The age of eighty is a fine age to still be enjoying life, let alone be working at.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 06:29 AM
at Williams age he has a right to chose when and how he wants to work.
And I have the right to regret that choice. New people, other chemistries, different perspectives, new roads ... that sort of thing. 'Change' is often what keeps an artist fresh.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:33 AM
WAR HORSE by far.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 02:49 PM
What I don't understand is how is it possible that he hasn't re-worked with any of his previous collaborators...
Robert Altman, Norman Jewison, Oliver Stone, Brian DePalma, Jean-Jacques Annaud, Alan Parker, George Miller, Lawrence Kasdan, Clint Eastwood... What a list of amazing filmmakers! And all very appreciative of good film music.
The curse of priorizing his work with Spielberg is that has provoked a lot of missed opportunities, most notably those years in which Steven releases two movies at the same time, but Johnny's got lots of assigments already... 2002 and 2005 are the most notable examples...
I'm not complaining, because this collaboration brought some of his most famous scores; but yeah, some branching out would be nice.
Robert Altman, Norman Jewison, Oliver Stone, Brian DePalma, Jean-Jacques Annaud, Alan Parker, George Miller, Lawrence Kasdan, Clint Eastwood... What a list of amazing filmmakers! And all very appreciative of good film music.
The curse of priorizing his work with Spielberg is that has provoked a lot of missed opportunities, most notably those years in which Steven releases two movies at the same time, but Johnny's got lots of assigments already... 2002 and 2005 are the most notable examples...
I'm not complaining, because this collaboration brought some of his most famous scores; but yeah, some branching out would be nice.
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Today I vote for War Horse, but I genuinely enjoy all 3 scores very much, especially in complete form (the Tintin and IJ4 OSTs leave out too much important material)
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I have to say Tintin for me! War Horse is a very close second. As for KotCS I think my dislike of the movie effected my judgment on the score but to me it's like the Chamber of Secrets, I pretend it doesn't exist haha.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 03:19 PM
your right is irrelevant. Williams creative ability isn't based on your desires to listen or purchase. Any by your I mean any and all of us.
at Williams age he has a right to chose when and how he wants to work.
And I have the right to regret that choice. New people, other chemistries, different perspectives, new roads ... that sort of thing. 'Change' is often what keeps an artist fresh.
Alex
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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It's relevant to the audience. Action provokes reaction. No fan, no matter how loyal, can change that. In fact, there's nothing irrelevant about the way we respond to art because where would it would be without it?
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:02 PM
By the way, I was convinced this thread was about fashion, as in 'clothes'. Imagine my disappointment when it wasn't!
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:26 PM
But you should have realized it would took a place in Other Topics with all the food and weather threads... 
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 09:46 PM
By the way, I was convinced this thread was about fashion, as in 'clothes'. Imagine my disappointment when it wasn't!
I know, right?!
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Oh, the new trends of the wedges!
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:01 PM
maybe I should start a fashion thread in other topics.
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Start one Alice!!!
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 10:20 PM
By the way, I was convinced this thread was about fashion, as in 'clothes'. Imagine my disappointment when it wasn't!
Hooray! It only took 64 posts for someone else to notice the typo!
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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