Jaws sped up the tempo's in his compositions, thats for sure.
What film brought John Williams his success?
Started by JWfangirl1992, Jul 14 2012 10:33 PM
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 12:23 AM
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 01:04 AM
I wouldn't say it 'jump-started' his career.
But clearly he would himself.
On the Jaws DVD, the Look inside Jaws, by Laurent Bouzereau, John Williams specifically cites Jaws as having jumpstarted his career.
From the man himself, it's pretty damned definitive.
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 09:59 AM
I wouldn't say it 'jump-started' his career.
But clearly he would himself.On the Jaws DVD, the Look inside Jaws, by Laurent Bouzereau, John Williams specifically cites Jaws as having jumpstarted his career.
From the man himself, it's pretty damned definitive.
Yeah, but he also said HOW TO STEAL A MILLION was his first A movie, which is also 'jump-starting' his career. It's all in the definition.
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 11:33 AM
He didn't say How to Steal a Million 'jump-started' his career. He said is was his first A movie. Maybe, to him, that's two very different things.
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 11:49 AM
He didn't say How to Steal a Million 'jump-started' his career. He said is was his first A movie. Maybe, to him, that's two very different things.
Maybe. But we all interpret these things differently. Whatever he may have said himself, I think 'jump-starting' is the wrong word to use for JAWS. I think 'cementing' an already existing A list status is more fitting. But of course, Williams is too humble to ever say that.
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 01:03 PM
And Williams A -List 1974 doesn't mean much compared to Williams A-List 1983 and so forth. JAWS was the big blockbuster prelude and with all the frenzy it built, Williams' name got a whole new sound - of unerring success. Nobody would've claimed that about the composer of THE COWBOYS or PETE AND TILLIE...or even POSEIDON ADVENTURE.
You wouldn't see a subtle plan if it painted itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord, singing "Subtle Plans Are Here Again."
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 01:26 PM
You have to remember, Star Wars was a small budget sci-fi film and Lucas wasn't a household name back then. Somehow the success of Jaws has led him to a relatively unknown director with a nice saturday matinee film for kids (Williams' own words) and with no stars. It didn't lead to the top movies of that time. Overall, the music of Jaws didn't stand out that much. It mostly did what it had to do and it mostly sounded like other scores from that period. It was still some kind of background, conventional score. The music of Star Wars is a totally different ball game. The combining of never-seen-before science fiction images with a 1940's full-blown orchestral score was something so unexpected that it hit people in the face! That soundtrack broke sales records of instrumental music all over the world and renewed the general interest, not only in golden age film composers such as Korngold, Hermann, Rozsa, et cetera., but also in classical music in general. A lot of people AND musicians became interested (en masse) in film music and classical music because of Star Wars.
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Alex, I don't call $14,000,000 for "Star Wars" a small budget, not in 1976, I don't. That was the cost of "TTI"...
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 02:03 PM
11 million not 14 million.
Jaws was 9 million in '75, but it was looked down upon by Universal who made doing the effects work difficult because it felt the movie Hindinburg which had a bigger budget was a more important film.
Jaws was 9 million in '75, but it was looked down upon by Universal who made doing the effects work difficult because it felt the movie Hindinburg which had a bigger budget was a more important film.
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 02:19 PM
JAWS was budgeted at 3 or 4 millions - the price tag it finally reached never would have passed the laughing stage at Universal if they would've tried to get it greenlighted at that budget.
You wouldn't see a subtle plan if it painted itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord, singing "Subtle Plans Are Here Again."
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 02:38 PM
thank goodness they never pulled the plug on it. It may have double it's budget, but it has made Universal a lot of money. And a lot of us very entertained.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 02:52 PM
It's probably my favorite movie of all time. And still one of the rare few where the movie is superior to the book.
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 03:01 PM
And Williams A -List 1974 doesn't mean much compared to Williams A-List 1983 and so forth. JAWS was the big blockbuster prelude and with all the frenzy it built, Williams' name got a whole new sound - of unerring success. Nobody would've claimed that about the composer of THE COWBOYS or PETE AND TILLIE...or even POSEIDON ADVENTURE.
I beg to differ. The A list was secured years before JAWS. But it's not always easy to stay on that list. Even an Oscar won't automatically give yout that. JAWS, however, did that for him. With STAR WARS, he rose from top A list to legend, and as I said earlier -- everything since then has merely been icing on the legend cake.
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 06:43 PM
He didn't say How to Steal a Million 'jump-started' his career. He said is was his first A movie. Maybe, to him, that's two very different things.
Maybe. But we all interpret these things differently. Whatever he may have said himself, I think 'jump-starting' is the wrong word to use for JAWS. I think 'cementing' an already existing A list status is more fitting. But of course, Williams is too humble to ever say that.
I agree.
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 06:59 PM
20 days until the blu ray comes out.It's probably my favorite movie of all time. And still one of the rare few where the movie is superior to the book.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 25 July 2012 - 07:49 PM
Amusing to see that sanctimonious hypocritical c**t Cremers thoroughly trumped in this thread. He probably hopes nobody noticed his slinking away from the debate, heh heh.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:22 AM
Alex, I don't call $14,000,000 for "Star Wars" a small budget, not in 1976, I don't. That was the cost of "TTI"...
It was budgeted for 8 million and ended up costing 11 million because of production delays. You are absolutely right, Richard. It was a lot of money, even then, but it was considered relatively small for a big science fiction project. Close Encounters or costed twice that much. The budget for A Bridge Too Far, made in the same year, was 27 million. The Sorcerer: 22 million. New York, New York: 14 million. Excorcist: The Heretic: 14 million. That's why I remember Star Wars was often called a low budget film, but they were speaking 'relatively", of course.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:46 AM
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 06:54 AM
War Horse may have given him the opportunity to write "Rounds," but it was "Rounds" that directly jumpstarted his career.
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1. Nightwatch/Killer By Night - Johnny Williams and Quincy Jones 2. Diamond Head/Gone with the Wave - Johnny Williams/Lalo Schifrin 3. Mass - Leonard Bernstein 4. Bernstein with the New York Philharmonic - Leonard Bernstein
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 07:03 AM
Amusing to see that sanctimonious hypocritical c**t Cremers thoroughly trumped in this thread. He probably hopes nobody noticed his slinking away from the debate, heh heh.
What a juvenile and hateful post, Quint. I was out for the whole day. Calling me a "hypocritical cunt" is really low, even for you.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 09:33 AM
It's a pleasure.
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Posted 26 July 2012 - 09:40 AM
War Horse may have given him the opportunity to write "Rounds," but it was "Rounds" that directly jumpstarted his career.
He, he.....
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 10:48 AM
JAWS was budgeted at 3 or 4 millions - the price tag it finally reached never would have passed the laughing stage at Universal if they would've tried to get it greenlighted at that budget.
I'd love to get my hands on one of those "1941" "I won't make this film, if it goes over xxxx-million dollars" t-shirts.
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