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[Romão]

WB cancelled the red carpet premier with the stars and director, the movie is still being normally shown in France

[avalanche]

I woke to this alert from CNN. So tragic. I'm reconsidering seeing this tonight, not for fear of my safety, but of being reminded during the film of what happened in Colorado.

This surely will affect attendance across the nation, I have to imagine.

[Jason LeBlanc]

This surely will affect attendance across the nation, I have to imagine.

It absolutely will affect attendance. A lot of people are going to choose to wait to see it after opening weekend now.

[Wojo]

I'm going to wait until I can see it at the drive-in, so I can drive away in a hurry or run any would-be copycats over.

[KK.]

This is awful. And its effect on TDKR is a shame.

[Wojo]

Might be time to get a concealed weapons permit.

[Joey]

people will still attend the film in massive numbers this weekend. most people are not coward or live their lives in fear of lunatics.

[Wojo]

14 people are dead and you have the audacity to call people cowards. Not everyone can look as threateningly imposing as you.

[Jason LeBlanc]

people will still attend the film in massive numbers this weekend. most people are not coward or live their lives in fear of lunatics.

Obviously its still going to be a huge opening weekend. I merely said it would be affected, not "it will be MASSIVELY affected!! OMGGGGGG!"

[Joey]

12 people are dead and you have the audacity to call people cowards. Not everyone can look as threateningly imposing as you. Jackass.

fixied it for you,

yeah I call people cowards who live their lives in fear. You cannot predict violence, nor should you live your life in fear of violence, sorry if that offends you. but lately everything I say offends you. go back to playing donkey kong, watch out for that barrel. Really you need to stay at home because your over reactions to my comments make you seem out of proportion. Never did I say I looked threathening or imposing. I'm fairly ordinary looking and wouldn't hurt a fly(figuratively). But bad stuff happens. If a plane crashes some people cancel their flights, the majority do not. People camping get mauled by bears but people still camp. You call me nasty names in violation of the rules but I still like you.

[Blumenkohl]

Might be time to get a concealed weapons permit.

Like you don't already gots one brah?

Sorry too soon?

#thuglyfetoosoon

[Quint]

I agree with Joey. The cancellation is an overreaction.

[KK.]

I think they should have just mentioned their condolences for what happened. Cancelling the premiere just makes a bigger issue out of it and sets people on "panic" mode. What happened is absolutely horrendous and tragic. But cancelling the premiere doesn't help.

[Blumenkohl]

Agreed. What a horrible way to handle the situation.

[Wojo]

Fair enough. It's not like it's hard to see a masked man chasing you with a rolling pin, paintbrush, and broken bottle of cabernet in France.

The jackass comment was misplaced. I apologize.

[Dean1700]

As tragic as this is, this sort of thing has come to typify American society and its entrenched gun culture despite the fact the Second Amendment and the "right to keep and bear arms" was meant for militia and for the security of the newly independant United States.

There's too many fucked up people in the US that have access to weapons so this sort of thing is to be expected considering there may be several hundred MILLION firearms in private hands in the US alone!

[Joey]

Fair enough. It's not like it's hard to see a masked man chasing you with a rolling pin, paintbrush, and broken bottle of cabernet in France.

The jackass comment was misplaced. I apologize.

Apology accepted Captain Needa.

[Wojo]

My neck feels funny...

[Joey]

I haven't worked out the distance thing yet. btw my avatar was inspired by your TGTBTU avatar, you know just showing part of the face.

[Wojo]

I'm more glad I inspired you to show us your eyes than I am to know I inspired Blume to be trash from da hood.

[Blumenkohl]

I'm more glad I inspired you to show us your eyes than I am to know I inspired Blume to be trash from da hood.

Those are words with which good men go to war.


#hoodblum

[Wojo]

I'm more glad I inspired you to show us your eyes than I am to know I inspired Blume to be trash from da hood.

Those are words with which good men go to war.

Good men? So how did you get involved?

[Blumenkohl]

You know...the usual. I made one unfair one John Williams soundtrack trade. The next thing I know...

[Jason LeBlanc]

The kid who did this left a "sophisticated booby trap" in his apartment

http://usnews.msnbc....-apartment?lite

Crazy fuck

[Blumenkohl]

I think the intelligent weirdo and people troll Marilyn Manson's Rolling Stone commentary the 1999 shootings echo true here:

Columbine: Whose Fault Is It?
by Marilyn Manson
It is sad to think that the first few people on earth needed no books, movies, games or music to inspire cold-blooded murder. The day that Cain bashed his brother Abel's brains in, the only motivation he needed was his own human disposition to violence. Whether you interpret the Bible as literature or as the final word of whatever God may be, Christianity has given us an image of death and sexuality that we have based our culture around. A half-naked dead man hangs in most homes and around our necks, and we have just taken that for granted all our lives. Is it a symbol of hope or hopelessness? The world's most famous murder-suicide was also the birth of the death icon -- the blueprint for celebrity. Unfortunately, for all of their inspiring morality, nowhere in the Gospels is intelligence praised as a virtue.
A lot of people forget or never realize that I started my band as a criticism of these very issues of despair and hypocrisy. The name Marilyn Manson has never celebrated the sad fact that America puts killers on the cover of Time magazine, giving them as much notoriety as our favorite movie stars. From Jesse James to Charles Manson, the media, since their inception, have turned criminals into folk heroes. They just created two new ones when they plastered those dipshits Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris' pictures on the front of every newspaper. Don't be surprised if every kid who gets pushed around has two new idols.
We applaud the creation of a bomb whose sole purpose is to destroy all of mankind, and we grow up watching our president's brains splattered all over Texas. Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised. Does anyone think the Civil War was the least bit civil? If television had existed, you could be sure they would have been there to cover it, or maybe even participate in it, like their violent car chase of Princess Di. Disgusting vultures looking for corpses, exploiting, fucking, filming and serving it up for our hungry appetites in a gluttonous display of endless human stupidity.
When it comes down to who's to blame for the high school murders in Littleton, Colorado, throw a rock and you'll hit someone who's guilty. We're the people who sit back and tolerate children owning guns, and we're the ones who tune in and watch the up-to-the-minute details of what they do with them. I think it's terrible when anyone dies, especially if it is someone you know and love. But what is more offensive is that when these tragedies happen, most people don't really care any more than they would about the season finale of Friends or The Real World. I was dumbfounded as I watched the media snake right in, not missing a teardrop, interviewing the parents of dead children, televising the funerals. Then came the witch hunt.
Man's greatest fear is chaos. It was unthinkable that these kids did not have a simple black-and-white reason for their actions. And so a scapegoat was needed. I remember hearing the initial reports from Littleton, that Harris and Klebold were wearing makeup and were dressed like Marilyn Manson, whom they obviously must worship, since they were dressed in black. Of course, speculation snowballed into making me the poster boy for everything that is bad in the world. These two idiots weren't wearing makeup, and they weren't dressed like me or like goths. Since Middle America has not heard of the music they did listen to (KMFDM and Rammstein, among others), the media picked something they thought was similar.
Responsible journalists have reported with less publicity that Harris and Klebold were not Marilyn Manson fans -- that they even disliked my music. Even if they were fans, that gives them no excuse, nor does it mean that music is to blame. Did we look for James Huberty's inspiration when he gunned down people at McDonald's? What did Timothy McVeigh like to watch? What about David Koresh, Jim Jones? Do you think entertainment inspired Kip Kinkel, or should we blame the fact that his father bought him the guns he used in the Springfield, Oregon, murders? What inspires Bill Clinton to blow people up in Kosovo? Was it something that Monica Lewinsky said to him? Isn't killing just killing, regardless if it's in Vietnam or Jonesboro, Arkansas? Why do we justify one, just because it seems to be for the right reasons? Should there ever be a right reason? If a kid is old enough to drive a car or buy a gun, isn't he old enough to be held personally responsible for what he does with his car or gun? Or if he's a teenager, should someone else be blamed because he isn't as enlightened as an eighteen-year-old?
America loves to find an icon to hang its guilt on. But, admittedly, I have assumed the role of Antichrist; I am the Nineties voice of individuality, and people tend to associate anyone who looks and behaves differently with illegal or immoral activity. Deep down, most adults hate people who go against the grain. It's comical that people are naive enough to have forgotten Elvis, Jim Morrison and Ozzy so quickly. All of them were subjected to the same age-old arguments, scrutiny and prejudice. I wrote a song called "Lunchbox," and some journalists have interpreted it as a song about guns. Ironically, the song is about being picked on and fighting back with my Kiss lunch box, which I used as a weapon on the playground. In 1979, metal lunch boxes were banned because they were considered dangerous weapons in the hands of delinquents. I also wrote a song called "Get Your Gunn." The title is spelled with two n's because the song was a reaction to the murder of Dr. David Gunn, who was killed in Florida by pro-life activists while I was living there. That was the ultimate hypocrisy I witnessed growing up: that these people killed someone in the name of being "pro-life."
The somewhat positive messages of these songs are usually the ones that sensationalists misinterpret as promoting the very things I am decrying. Right now, everyone is thinking of how they can prevent things like Littleton. How do you prevent AIDS, world war, depression, car crashes? We live in a free country, but with that freedom there is a burden of personal responsibility. Rather than teaching a child what is moral and immoral, right and wrong, we first and foremost can establish what the laws that govern us are. You can always escape hell by not believing in it, but you cannot escape death and you cannot escape prison.
It is no wonder that kids are growing up more cynical; they have a lot of information in front of them. They can see that they are living in a world that's made of bullshit. In the past, there was always the idea that you could turn and run and start something better. But now America has become one big mall, and because of the Internet and all of the technology we have, there's nowhere to run. People are the same everywhere. Sometimes music, movies and books are the only things that let us feel like someone else feels like we do. I've always tried to let people know it's OK, or better, if you don't fit into the program. Use your imagination -- if some geek from Ohio can become something, why can't anyone else with the willpower and creativity?
I chose not to jump into the media frenzy and defend myself, though I was begged to be on every single TV show in existence. I didn't want to contribute to these fame-seeking journalists and opportunists looking to fill their churches or to get elected because of their self-righteous finger-pointing. They want to blame entertainment? Isn't religion the first real entertainment? People dress up in costumes, sing songs and dedicate themselves in eternal fandom. Everyone will agree that nothing was more entertaining than Clinton shooting off his prick and then his bombs in true political form. And the news -- that's obvious. So is entertainment to blame? I'd like media commentators to ask themselves, because their coverage of the event was some of the most gruesome entertainment any of us have seen.
I think that the National Rifle Association is far too powerful to take on, so most people choose Doom, The Basketball Diaries or yours truly. This kind of controversy does not help me sell records or tickets, and I wouldn't want it to. I'm a controversial artist, one who dares to have an opinion and bothers to create music and videos that challenge people's ideas in a world that is watered-down and hollow. In my work I examine the America we live in, and I've always tried to show people that the devil we blame our atrocities on is really just each one of us. So don't expect the end of the world to come one day out of the blue -- it's been happening every day for a long time.
MARILYN MANSON (May 28, 1999)

[KK.]

Sounds like this kid is trying to be some crazy Joker like character...

[Incanus]

I wonder does this get even more bizarre when the officials finally get to the bottom of this.

[KK.]

Who knows? Maybe this insane kid has some elaborate scheme, but that's probably pushing it. Still rather disturbing really.

[Incanus]

Wiring an apartment with a booby trap is like the icing on this disturbing cake. Such a sad, tragic and senseless series of events, all too common these days.

[Wojo]

Insane? He's a neuroscience PHD candidate. Guys's a frikking genius, but also very, very evil and sick. He thought it'd be fun to bring his fantasy to life.

At the end of the day, blaming the guns and violent entertainment are not what allowed this happen. Don't blame the spoon for making you fat. The man's life and support situation drove him to this.

[Trent Bennett]

I hope this fucker gets the chair.

[Ren]

Can I press the button?

[KK.]

http://ca.eonline.co...s-future-cloudy

Wow, they're talking about withdrawing the film? I don't think it'll happen. But this is a bad sign for what this film's financial future will be...

[Trent Bennett]

Can I press the button?

Be my guest.

I too don't think they'll withdraw the film from all the theaters. They can't risk losing the money.

[Wojo]

What a dangerous precedent that would set for anyone who wants to stop just about anything.

[Blumenkohl]

Wojo is correct here. Glorifying mental cases like this only fuels others.

But hey if it's one thing our media rules at its glorifying things.

[Joey]

knee jerk reactions never work out well.

Incacus, while this guy acted alone, he got the explosives somewhere, this is going to be crazy, and someday there will probably be a film made of this.

[Incanus]

In this day and age it would be good to implement the old fashioned Roman damnatio memoriae, cursing of the memory, and wipe all knowledge of these criminals from record, in essence wipe them from the face of the earth as if they had never existed. At least it would not fuel any cases or glorify the perpetrators of such tragedies as media does so often now, especially if the carcass of such a case can be picked for a good while from all possible angles.

[Blumenkohl]

I think when it comes to the serial killers, I wouldn't mind them quietly disappearing and erased, and their work covered up with an accident.

But no...they go targeting poor aliens for cover ups.

[indy4]

Wow, this is awful. This is why we need stricter gun control laws in the US.