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[Jason LeBlanc]

I think Avengers 2 will make more money at the box office than Star Wars 7, unless Star Wars 7 gets some really, really big name actors attached to it

[Wycket]

It doesn't need big name actors. Its the first Star Wars film in 10 years (no one cares about the Clone Wars or look at that movie as anything other than a cash grab), and will likely see the return of many of the original characters. It will be a huge film. Honestly, 2015 is looking to be absolutely stacked in terms of big films. Of course, I'm sure the proposed Justice League movie will not release then, not that it would be that big if they indeed try to use different actors for Bats and Supes.

[Luke Skywalker]

I think Avengers 2 will make more money at the box office than Star Wars 7, unless Star Wars 7 gets some really, really big name actors attached to it

harrison ford counts as a big name?

Really if they get the big three, i think that the hype for seeing post-ROTJ films with the original cast will make this thing as big as TPM.

The other two sequels wont have that much impact. Unless the 1st film is amazingly good, which i doubt.....

[Jason LeBlanc]

The Avengers made billions because 12-18 year olds wanted to see comic book action led by rdj and other hunky guys plus ScarJo. The 12-18 year olds of 2015 will barely know the OT let alone the actors from them

[Luke Skywalker]

demography in developed countries tends to have more old people than young

[BloodBoal]

Yeah, but this film will be directed toward developing countries audiences.

[Matt C]

may 2015... will conflict with the new star wars film.

I think one of the two will get moved around.

I think Episode 7 will end up being a May 2016 release, even though Disney and Lucasfilm already have a writer and closing in on a director -- they probably are going to take their time and go full-speed when they have a good script ready. Not to mention Avengers 2 is a huge cash cow, and early May releases are very good for Marvel movies.

Honestly, 2015 is looking to be absolutely stacked in terms of big films. Of course, I'm sure the proposed Justice League movie will not release then, not that it would be that big if they indeed try to use different actors for Bats and Supes.

I don't think we'll hear more about the JL development until the new chairman of WB is crowned next year-- and you have three very ambitious guys jockeying for the coveted position. Each one is trying to undermine one another, which explains the slow progression on their 2014 productions.

If the JL movie ever gets made, WB isn't going to risk confusing people by using a new Superman actor (Christian Bale has already put his foot down, so Batman will have to be recast). If next year's Man of Steel is successful, they'll use Henry Cavill's Superman in the JL film for sure.

[BloodBoal]

More Marvel Phase Two: ‘Captain America The Winter Soldier’ Concept Art Plus ‘Thor: The Dark World’ Stills... And Guardians Of The Galaxy concept art as well!

 

Don't know if that should go in the Future Films thread or here...

[gkgyver]

Well, this thread is for Avengers 2, so .... that kind of explains it.

[BloodBoal]

Well, this is all part of what they call "Marvel Phase 2", which conclusion will be The Avengers 2, so...

[gkgyver]

So it's all a grand scheme, yes?

[BloodBoal]

More like a big marketing operation.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver in Avengers 2?

 

http://news.moviefon..._n_3157661.html

[Pieter_Boelen]

This is where my European comic book sensibilities (Tintin, Asterix and Obelix, Suske and Wiske) really don't help.

Haven't got the foggiest on most of them superhero thingamajigs.

[Chaac]

Well I've barely read Marvel comic books but I got the basics down. Though I feel now they're going beyond the basics so no idea.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Robert Downey Jr's contract with Marvel ends with Iron Man 3; If he doesn't sign up for Avengers 2, would they use Cheadle's War Machine instead?

 

http://comicbook.com...de-war-machine/

[Chaac]

At the end of Iron Man 3 it says "Tony Stark will return".

 

The people at Marvel have said that they no problem with recasting and that it's only expected to happen in such a multifranchise.

[Jason LeBlanc]

Of course.

[crocodile]

Not sure how you recast Downey Jr though... He's kind of essential to their success, methinks. He's probably one of the main reasons why many people even bothered with watching Avengers film.

 

Karol

[Chaac]

Maybe they'll bring him back for the second Avengers and then abandon the character for a while and make other things like Ant-Man or a Hulk film different to what we've already seen or whatever.

[Jason LeBlanc]

I am sure they will give FDJ a boatload of money to return for Avengers 2, no question.  Whether or not he's still around after that is the question, I think.  Avengers 3 won't be out till what, 2018 or 2019?  Who knows what the popularity of Iron Man and/or RDJ will be then.  Maybe one of the Phase 2 main characters will be the new "it" guy.

[Chaac]

I am sure they will give FDJ a boatload of money to return for Avengers 2, no question.  Whether or not he's still around after that is the question, I think.  Avengers 3 won't be out till what, 2018 or 2019?  Who knows what the popularity of Iron Man and/or RDJ will be then.  Maybe one of the Phase 2 main characters will be the new "it" guy.

 

That leaves Captain American, Thor, and the Guardians of the Galaxy.

 

The last one has the smiling villain at the end of The Avengers and a space raccoon who shoots unfeasibly large cannons and fights the blue dude inside a giant robot. So that might be "it".

[Jason LeBlanc]

So that dude showing up in the end credits of The Avengers was a setup for Guardians of the Galaxy, not a setup for The Avengers 2?

[Chaac]

We don't know about Avengers yet. He might carry over to the Avengers, or might carry over to the third Avengers instead.

 

The only thing Whedon has said about the second Avengers is that they'd be facing "themselves" and that it'd be smaller and more personal. Which might contradict the cosmic Thanos stuff.

[crocodile]

Thanos plays a part of Avengers 2, Joss Weedon said.

 

Karol

[Matt C]

Not sure how you recast Downey Jr though... He's kind of essential to their success, methinks. He's probably one of the main reasons why many people even bothered with watching Avengers film.

 

Karol

 

The problem isn't if RDJ will return for Avengers 2, but how much he'll get for it. He's said in an interview with Box Office Pro that "there's still stuff with my character we gotta address" when doing an Iron Man 3 interview. Which means he's probably open to doing 1-2 more Marvel films.

 

He can definitely leverage a Johnny Depp-sized paycheck... like $50 million dollars

[Chaac]

Thanos plays a part of Avengers 2, Joss Weedon said.

 

Karol

 

...ah

 

Then I dunno.

[crocodile]

 

Not sure how you recast Downey Jr though... He's kind of essential to their success, methinks. He's probably one of the main reasons why many people even bothered with watching Avengers film.

 

Karol

 

 

He can definitely leverage a Johnny Depp-sized paycheck... like $50 million dollars

 

Didn't he already get that? I thought he did.

 

Karol

[Chaac]

He did.

[Wycket]

Yeah, thanks to the ridiculous box office that's what he made.  The problem is that they all are going to want a larger paycheck, so while Avengers 2 is probably not going to be a problem, any future team ups will depend if RDJ is willing to work for less to accommodate the budget  or is just after the money. 

[Matt C]

Yeah, thanks to the ridiculous box office that's what he made.  The problem is that they all are going to want a larger paycheck, so while Avengers 2 is probably not going to be a problem, any future team ups will depend if RDJ is willing to work for less to accommodate the budget  or is just after the money. 

 

The thing is, RDJ was only contracted for four Marvel movies at the start. Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans, Scarlett Johansson, et al have been contracted for 6-9 movies apiece. So they have some leverage but not as much as RDJ does at the moment, who's a free man at this point.

 

And with his worldwide popularity, he can negotiate a bigger payday than Depp did for Pirates of the Caribbean 4. Depp got $55 million (upfront), I'm sure RDJ can get $5-10M more than him. I think Marvel Studios will negotiate an upfront payment so they won't have to shell out even more once the box office receipts start piling up.