Didn't the Ron Jones set kind of flop, then they blamed it on illegal downloading instead of accepting that not that many people wanted that much Trek music?
Star Trek: The Original Series 15 CD Box Set coming from La-La Land Records Dec 4th 2012
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Posted 11 August 2012 - 07:51 PM
And there was the TNG vol. 1 set from LLL that still hasn't seen a volume two...
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Posted 11 August 2012 - 07:58 PM
It's certainly an undertaking unlike anything I've seen before.
Never before (to my recollection) has a label promised that every note of music is on the set. I also like that they acknowledged that 'complete' has to really be that, and that people would notice any accidental alternate takes. I agree though that it's going to take dedicated fans to buy this. It's a hell of a lot of music.
Damn, it makes me wish this were a show/movie I really idolised.
Never before (to my recollection) has a label promised that every note of music is on the set. I also like that they acknowledged that 'complete' has to really be that, and that people would notice any accidental alternate takes. I agree though that it's going to take dedicated fans to buy this. It's a hell of a lot of music.
Damn, it makes me wish this were a show/movie I really idolised.
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Posted 11 August 2012 - 08:19 PM
I'd buy a box set of every cue from LOST. Though that would take up way more than 15 CDs and would therefore probably cost a lot more
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Posted 11 August 2012 - 08:31 PM
I'd buy a box set of every cue from LOST. Though that would take up way more than 15 CDs and would therefore probably cost a lot more
Ditto.
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Posted 11 August 2012 - 09:02 PM
I don't think the music from The Next Generation really appealed to fans that much. All though the price factor for the Ron Jones TNG set was one of the major problems for it. I read posts from quite a few people saying they wanted to get it but couldn't afford it.
There's been a lot more demand from music from The Original Series and Deep Space Nine. Hopefully LLL's Deep Space Nine set will fare much better in terms of sales compared to their TNG set.
There's been a lot more demand from music from The Original Series and Deep Space Nine. Hopefully LLL's Deep Space Nine set will fare much better in terms of sales compared to their TNG set.
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Posted 11 August 2012 - 09:12 PM
Maybe this one is more desired and popular, but also more expensive.
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Posted 11 August 2012 - 09:18 PM
I can't think of any series for which I'd buy a box on that scale (X-Files doesn't compare, at only 4 discs).
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 01:51 AM
I 'discovered' Star Trek TOS in the mid 80s, right around the time I began to buy compact discs. My very first CD was ST:TMP, and I quickly added the Varese rerecordings, the Label X rerecordings, and the GNP original recording of The Cage/ Where No Man Has Gone Before.
So my love of film music on CD is closely tied to my love of TOS.
I think this will be a great set, lovingly presented, with lots of diverse, colorful music to enjoy.
So my love of film music on CD is closely tied to my love of TOS.
I think this will be a great set, lovingly presented, with lots of diverse, colorful music to enjoy.
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 02:30 AM
Has an exact date been set?
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 04:38 AM
Has an exact date been set?
Read the thread title.. Black Friday.
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 05:08 AM
The title's wrong, MV only said late November.
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 05:13 AM
Yeah, no actual date has been set. Late fall is what the press release said. The OP is assuming it will be Black Friday or before Black Friday.I thought maybe I missed something and they actually set the date as being November 23rd,2012.No date has been set,at least if it has it is not on Lalaland's website or press release. No price has been set either.
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 06:35 AM
It's probably not going to be Black Friday, since MV basically admitted that Hook is coming then.
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1. Nightwatch/Killer By Night - Johnny Williams and Quincy Jones 2. Diamond Head/Gone with the Wave - Johnny Williams/Lalo Schifrin 3. Mass - Leonard Bernstein 4. Bernstein with the New York Philharmonic - Leonard Bernstein
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 07:28 AM
Is this a curious attempt at humor? Curious indeed.It's probably not going to be Black Friday, since MV basically admitted that Hook is coming then.
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 07:00 PM
Jason, you have really never seen the show before or just not very familar with its music?
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 07:09 PM
If so, he's not alone in not having seen the show. Sci-fi isn't among my favourite genres.
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 07:20 PM
I don't think the music from The Next Generation really appealed to fans that much. All though the price factor for the Ron Jones TNG set was one of the major problems for it. I read posts from quite a few people saying they wanted to get it but couldn't afford it.
TNG music works better in a best of format with suites from episodes rather then every note composed.
The Ron Jones was just too much music, and for a hefty price.
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 07:27 PM
I don't think this will flop. TOS has always been the more financially successful bet in the Star Trek universe, in almost every arena. Game sales, movie grosses, music, etc.
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 08:25 PM
Jason, you have really never seen the show before or just not very familar with its music?
Space Seed is the only episode of TOS I've seen. I've seen most episodes of TNG, probably like seasons 3-7 with some random other ones. I've seen roughly the first 3 seasons of DS9 and maybe the first season of Voyager. I saw every episode of Enterprise.
For the movies I've seen 1-6, 8-9, 11.
For the scores I own 1-3, 5
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 08:35 PM
You don't own the Giachino score?
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Posted 12 August 2012 - 10:46 PM
I won't be buying this.
until I rob a bank.
until I rob a bank.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 02:49 AM
You don't own the Giachino score?
Oh right, and both versions of 11
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 03:31 AM
Jason, there are some really good scores, and episodes, don't let the over the top tracking in Space Seed deter you.
Good Scores:
Shore Leave
The Corbomite Manuever
Amok Time
Friday's Child (GREAT theme, better than Paradise Syndrome IMHO)
The Cage (Kind of boring at first, but like KOTCS (its better than that of course) it grows on you.)
Where No Man Has Gone Before (the end fight cue is amazing)
Balance of Terror (really short, but has some pretty cool cues)
Who Mourns for Adonais (has a theme similar to a LOTR motif, and an amazing finale cue)
Mirror Mirror
Metamorphosis
Trouble With Tribbles(ish)
Good Scores:
Shore Leave
The Corbomite Manuever
Amok Time
Friday's Child (GREAT theme, better than Paradise Syndrome IMHO)
The Cage (Kind of boring at first, but like KOTCS (its better than that of course) it grows on you.)
Where No Man Has Gone Before (the end fight cue is amazing)
Balance of Terror (really short, but has some pretty cool cues)
Who Mourns for Adonais (has a theme similar to a LOTR motif, and an amazing finale cue)
Mirror Mirror
Metamorphosis
Trouble With Tribbles(ish)
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 06:09 AM
I haven't watched any of TOS but I want to buy this set just to support lalaland ...they are knocking it out of the park with so many quality releases.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 06:55 AM
They really seem to be the label releasing the most intensely desired stuff lately.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:44 AM
Is this music "intensely desired"?
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 11:28 AM
Nope, they're just gonna kill their business by making 5,000 copies of a $200 box set.
In 50 years Herrmann will be forgotten.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 11:58 AM
Nope, they're just gonna kill their business by making 5,000 copies of a $200 box set.
I don't think they'll publish that many. They'll weigh interest over the coming months and see how many prospective commitments they get, and then press one or two thousand more for the general public.
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:00 PM
You don't own the Giachino score?
Oh right, and both versions of 11
I can't blame you for forgetting that score. I often do.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:20 PM
I can't think of any series for which I'd buy a box on that scale (X-Files doesn't compare, at only 4 discs).
Yes but there is a difference of scale. Volume 1 of the X-Files set is a glorified sampler that only contains highlights from many episodes across 9 seasons.
This TOS box claims to be every note of score from only three seasons, yet will require 15 discs. A comprehensive X-Files box set would comprise many more discs than just four, but I don't claim to know how much music from later seasons was recycled/tracked from earlier material, so I can't say if it would need a dozen CDs or be significantly larger than the TOS box.
The only other shows for which I would want a comprehensive music anthology would be Ron Jones' DuckTales and possibly Joel Goldsmith's three Stargate series.
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 05:12 PM
Don't forget Wojo, the Star Trek TOS set also has never before heard material. There may have been quite a bit of alternate material to for the episodes.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 05:26 PM
Nope, they're just gonna kill their business by making 5,000 copies of a $200 box set.
I don't think so.
1. Lalaland is gauging demand - not just making a bunch like FSM with the TNG box.
2. I think there is much more demand for TOS than TNG - and I love TNG.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 06:12 PM
I can't think of any series for which I'd buy a box on that scale (X-Files doesn't compare, at only 4 discs).
Yes but there is a difference of scale. Volume 1 of the X-Files set is a glorified sampler that only contains highlights from many episodes across 9 seasons.
This TOS box claims to be every note of score from only three seasons, yet will require 15 discs. A comprehensive X-Files box set would comprise many more discs than just four, but I don't claim to know how much music from later seasons was recycled/tracked from earlier material, so I can't say if it would need a dozen CDs or be significantly larger than the TOS box.
The only other shows for which I would want a comprehensive music anthology would be Ron Jones' DuckTales and possibly Joel Goldsmith's three Stargate series.
Yes, that's exactly why I said X-Files (which I did buy) doesn't compare. My point is that I don't think there's anything on the 'every note composed' scale I'd buy.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 06:16 PM
I just realized - you think this'll push back Generations and Insurrection? I know it's not the same label, but most of the same people are involved, and putting those out at the same time would be a little crowded (interestingly, similar story to Insurrection and the 20th Anniversary TMP).
Coz if so... damn.
Coz if so... damn.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 07:22 PM
I'm sure Generations and Insurrection are long done.
Wasn't Neil working on First Contact the week they shot Bin Laden?
Wasn't Neil working on First Contact the week they shot Bin Laden?
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 07:59 PM
First Contact indeed ...
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 08:04 PM
Generations and Insurrection are ready to go, I suspect.
Patience.
Meanwhile, THIS set is something that I'm finding myself wanting. A lot.
Between this and Star Trek: TMP, LLLR has established itself as the label of the year for me.
After this and the rest of the Trek movie scores, there are no true holy grails left. I will have all of my favorite scores in complete form.
Patience.
Meanwhile, THIS set is something that I'm finding myself wanting. A lot.
Between this and Star Trek: TMP, LLLR has established itself as the label of the year for me.
After this and the rest of the Trek movie scores, there are no true holy grails left. I will have all of my favorite scores in complete form.
Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 10:06 PM
MV already said it's going to be between 3,000 and 5,000 at this point.
Nope, they're just gonna kill their business by making 5,000 copies of a $200 box set.
I don't think they'll publish that many. They'll weigh interest over the coming months and see how many prospective commitments they get, and then press one or two thousand more for the general public.
Nope, they're just gonna kill their business by making 5,000 copies of a $200 box set.
I don't think so.
1. Lalaland is gauging demand - not just making a bunch like FSM with the TNG box.
2. I think there is much more demand for TOS than TNG - and I love TNG.
I was being sarcastic. I'm sure this will be a big seller.
In 50 years Herrmann will be forgotten.
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Posted 13 August 2012 - 11:06 PM
Ok, Koray, ok. Ok.
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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