filmmusic 3,269 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I think this is a FIRST in the history of film sheet music!!!Price: $75.00 + S&H• Available only in the US & Canada •http://www.omnimusicpublishing.com/
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 What do they mean engraved?
filmmusic 3,269 Posted March 14, 2013 Author Posted March 14, 2013 It means not handwritten! it was professionally written in one of the popular music notation softwares, probably Finale or Sibelius.
Jay 46,244 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 How do you know this contains every single cue written for the film?
Incanus 5,890 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 Well it says on the publisher site: Omni Music Publishing has included all the details that were adjusted, re-written and re-orchestrated at the scoring stage — this is THE definitive edition! I am hoping that there will be more volumes of film scores treated as thoroughly as this one. — Steve Bartek, Elfman orchestrator
filmmusic 3,269 Posted March 14, 2013 Author Posted March 14, 2013 @Stefanwell, isn't this:BETTER than this? RICHARDSTRAUSS68 1
Incanus 5,890 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 And it is really terrific news! Another step toward respectablility for film music as something worth serious study and thought. russds 1
KK 3,313 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 This is great news, and hopefully this treatment will continue for other scores!
Nemesis 301 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 "Available only in the US & Canada" Arrgh....
filmusicfan 24 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 The full orchestral score is now available to be purchased for $75.00 in the US & Canada. For more details, including how to order, visit www.OmniMusicPublishing.com
ShowUStheHOOK 8 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 annnnnnnnnnd ordered. This is surprising. Usually they don't publish full film scores.
BLUMENKOHL 1,110 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 They will never do this for modern John's scores.The entire Amazon would need to be harvested just for enough paper to contain the notes of Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.
ShowUStheHOOK 8 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 They will never do this for modern John's scores.The entire Amazon would need to be harvested just for enough paper to contain the notes of Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.good point. = ) nice thing about the edward scissorhands score is, this'll be something to do while recovering.
gkgyver 1,647 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I'm still kind of holding my breath for the LOTR scores to be published in some form ...
Rachael Foley 10,162 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 Imagine all the alternate though, the entire world would have to be harvested to include all the permutations of cues.
filmmusic 3,269 Posted March 14, 2013 Author Posted March 14, 2013 Imagine all the alternate though, the entire world would have to be harvested to include all the permutations of cues. I don't understand why Crystal skull in particular would have the most alternates and would require much paper.Why not Star Wars? or Hook?In terms of length I would think that maybe Hook is the largest score (from the Williams output)..
Rachael Foley 10,162 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I was referring to gkgyver's LOTR post filmmusic.
filmmusic 3,269 Posted March 14, 2013 Author Posted March 14, 2013 I was referring to gkgyver's LOTR post filmmusic.oops, sorry.You used the word "harvested", and i thought you were referring to the Crystal skull post above.
Joe Brausam 234 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 My copy shipped today, I'm excited to check this out! I was reading on Scott Glascow's post about it that the style is supposed to be somewhat based on the Dover edition study scores, cool stuff.
Score 775 Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 I am simply amazed!!! Seeing a full score of a movie being officially released in engraved form is a dream coming true. I hope they will do it more frequently from now on!!However, this is not the first time in the history of film sheet music: Prokofiev's Ivan the Terrible is available from Sikorski (I have it), and I think there is also something out by Shostakovich. But it is certainly the first time for a modern age score.Too bad it is available only in U.S. and Canada!! It would not be even too expensive, but I cannot order it from Europe!
tannhauser 101 Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Imagine all the alternate though, the entire world would have to be harvested to include all the permutations of cues. Not true. Remember, the full engraved scores for the theatrical cuts of all three films already exist for concert performane, and are just waiting to be published officially. Although I imagine each is a rather hefty tome.
filmmusic 3,269 Posted March 15, 2013 Author Posted March 15, 2013 I've read in Scott Glasgow's post in facebook, that there are other scores that are ready to go (meaning they are already engraved), if this sells good! The complete Raiders of Lost Ark is also engraved ( not meaning of course that it would be easy to get the rights and publish it)
Score 775 Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 Well, in principle all the scores which were played "live to projection" should be completely engraved, right? This would include also "E.T.", all the LOTR's, "The Matrix"...
tannhauser 101 Posted March 16, 2013 Posted March 16, 2013 Pirates of the Caribbean, Gladiator, Star Trek (MG), Casablanca, Psycho ...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,386 Posted March 16, 2013 Posted March 16, 2013 They will never do this for modern John's scores.The entire Amazon would need to be harvested just for enough paper to contain the notes of Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.It's the sole reason why PDF was invented!
Mythos 0 Posted March 16, 2013 Posted March 16, 2013 In US &Canada only! WTF!!!! Grrrr.....Why not a downloadable pdf for half the price, available worldwide!?Anyway I would die for full scores of Goldsmiths "Star Trek - The Motion Picture" and Horners "Wrath of Khan".Oh well...
filmmusic 3,269 Posted March 16, 2013 Author Posted March 16, 2013 In US &Canada only! WTF!!!! Grrrr..... They didn't have the rights to sell outside of US and Canada.(yes, it's very unfortunate)As it happens with most products, the rest of the world and USA are 2 different markets.
filmmusic 3,269 Posted March 17, 2013 Author Posted March 17, 2013 from a guy at FSM:"Just FYI, there are other complete and fully engraved scores ready to go if this one sells well. So if you're at all interested, you should buy it!"
filmmusic 3,269 Posted March 17, 2013 Author Posted March 17, 2013 News of the publisher (source:FSM Message Board)There's no plan for digital versions.Concerning worldwide, getting the rights for that were too expensive, especially since I'm paying for all this myself. Just want to test the waters before making it available outside US & Canada.The interest has been impressive, but so far the sales have been surprisingly poor, considering how many people seem to want this material.Unless there's more interest, there will be no financial way to afford gaining worldwide permission to sell this material.By the way, did anyone receive his copy?
ShowUStheHOOK 8 Posted March 17, 2013 Posted March 17, 2013 not yet. mine shipped on Thursday. The confirmation email said it would be 3 to 10 days before it arrives
Score 775 Posted March 18, 2013 Posted March 18, 2013 News of the publisher (source:FSM Message Board)There's no plan for digital versions.Concerning worldwide, getting the rights for that were too expensive, especially since I'm paying for all this myself. Just want to test the waters before making it available outside US & Canada.The interest has been impressive, but so far the sales have been surprisingly poor, considering how many people seem to want this material.Unless there's more interest, there will be no financial way to afford gaining worldwide permission to sell this material.By the way, did anyone receive his copy?If I may ask, does anyone know who is the editor? Anyway, perhaps starting with "Edward Scissorhands" was not the best thing, although maybe it was his only option. I mean, I do not think that the interest in complete engraved film scores can be judged by how much this one will sell. I for sure would be interested (but I cannot order it because I live outside U.S. and Canada), but I can imagine that many people who would buy, e.g., Star Wars, would not be equally interested in this.
russds 8 Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 Wow, great news, one of my favorite scores. Just curious, so being 'engraved', does that mean they just took the handwritten score from elfman/bartek and put it through software to clean it up, so it's legible, like hand written to typed? Does anybody know a place online where I can see a pic of what an 'engraved' sheet looks like. I'm just what you actually get for the 75$. I've seen some 'published scores' before, but they are basically arrangements, and produced so the cues can be performed to an audience. Not really an exact representation of the original.But what a treat for a truly fantastic score, i wish (and still hope) this score gets more attention. There are so many rip offs of it, I can hear it's influence all over the place.
filmmusic 3,269 Posted March 19, 2013 Author Posted March 19, 2013 these are exactly the original orchestrations.you can see a sample in the link in my first post.
ShowUStheHOOK 8 Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 these are exactly the original orchestrations.you can see a sample in the link in my first post.In concur.Looking at the preview page of ICE DANCE. Its def. the real thing.
russds 8 Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 Ah, i didn't see the example link, yeah those look great! Wow, i wish they would do these for the Indy movies, i would be all over that.
ShowUStheHOOK 8 Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 My copy came today = ) If anyone has any questions feel free to ask. Very good quality. The binding IS very much like the Dover scores.
Score 775 Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 My copy came today = ) If anyone has any questions feel free to ask. Very good quality. The binding IS very much like the Dover scores. Lucky you! Just a curiosity: are the systems "optimized" (staves for instruments which are not playing in a certain system are removed), or like in the Signature Edition scores (all staves are kept in each page)?
ShowUStheHOOK 8 Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 From what i've seen so far, if there are cues where he doesnt use a certain instrument, its removed from the score.
Natrebo 0 Posted April 11, 2013 Posted April 11, 2013 Are the pages as thick as a dover edition, and what is the color of the page... kind of faded newsprint like the dover editions or is it more pure white?Thanks for answering the questions ShowUStheHOOK!I also would like to point out, if anyone dosen't know that at Marco Beltrami's website, he has full cues of some of his sheet music up. Some are handwritten like the ones for Hellboy and some, like for I,Robot have been generated using a notation program. These are interesting because they contain perormance notes (they look to be the actual recording scores used in studio).Here's the direct link to the I,Robot cue up...http://g.virbcdn.com/_f/files/53/FileItem-174668-Irobot3m6TunnelChase.pdfFor some films, like Hellboy, there are mutliple score cues available...http://www.marcobeltrami.com/hellboy
ShowUStheHOOK 8 Posted April 21, 2013 Posted April 21, 2013 Are the pages as thick as a dover edition, and what is the color of the page... kind of faded newsprint like the dover editions or is it more pure white?Thanks for answering the questions ShowUStheHOOK!I also would like to point out, if anyone dosen't know that at Marco Beltrami's website, he has full cues of some of his sheet music up. Some are handwritten like the ones for Hellboy and some, like for I,Robot have been generated using a notation program. These are interesting because they contain perormance notes (they look to be the actual recording scores used in studio).Here's the direct link to the I,Robot cue up...http://g.virbcdn.com/_f/files/53/FileItem-174668-Irobot3m6TunnelChase.pdfFor some films, like Hellboy, there are mutliple score cues available...http://www.marcobeltrami.com/hellboyTHe pages are white. I don't have many dover editions of scores, and the one I have is not near me, so it would be hard to compare print right now. At parts its kind of small and can be tedious but not impossible to read. But for the most part its not a bad font size.
myCATisTOOfat 0 Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 oh man its SOLD OUT AND NEVER COMING BACK!!! Unfortunately I only know of its existence a few days ago. Anyone know of any person or site selling the score?
filmmusic 3,269 Posted September 20, 2013 Author Posted September 20, 2013 Don't know anything.Your only chance would be someone selling it at ebay, but i doubt it. This is too precious to be re-sold.
Uni 307 Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 For sheet music collectors, this was somewhat comparable to the release of the Star Wars 4-disc boxed set in '93 (holy crap—twenty years ago!). It's the first time something like this has been done in this way, and (one would hope) it heralds a new angle in the market—seeing more expanded and complete printed sheet sets widely released, just like film score releases have improve so vastly over the last two decades.If I may ask, does anyone know who is the editor? Anyway, perhaps starting with "Edward Scissorhands" was not the best thing, although maybe it was his only option. I mean, I do not think that the interest in complete engraved film scores can be judged by how much this one will sell. I for sure would be interested (but I cannot order it because I live outside U.S. and Canada), but I can imagine that many people who would buy, e.g., Star Wars, would not be equally interested in this.I agree with this. They'd have gotten a much better idea about the market potential with a more popular score than what they put out with this. Not necessarily a JW classic like E.T., for instance (which would sell out overnight, but that wouldn't be indicative of how other scores would move). However, something like Back to the Future or one of the Star Trek films, or if you wanted to go with Danny Elfman, something like Batman or Spider-Man, perhaps, would serve as much better litmus tests.Take myself, for instance. I'd be willing to pay $75 for the engraved, full orchestral sheet music for any one of those movies I mentioned above. But Edward Scissorhands. . . ? I wasn't really interested. If I'd spent the money, it would be purely an investment in the future possibility of more and better music from people like this. As it was, I passed. Hopefully the sales they got were encouraging enough to push them to try more of the same.- Uni
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