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Posted 14 December 2014 - 02:48 AM

It's one of those few awkward LGBT moments in Star Trek. I don't know. I think Riker was out of character, I didn't like the ending. The casting of that broad, obviously a broad, as a genderless character was a copout.

 

Whenever people bring up Trek's apparent homophobia, I will always reference Odo and Kira. Odo didn't have a gender and was just a liquid thing that took the form of a humanoid. Odo could have been anything. Odo and Kira couldn't even link like others of Odo's race. Yet, their love transcended all that. For that and other reasons, they are the greatest romance in Star Trek history. I'm drunk, but I fucking know I'm right.



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Posted 14 December 2014 - 03:38 AM

Odo and Kira? Really??

As for Riker, I thought it was in-character. That bloke would root anything.

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Posted 14 December 2014 - 03:58 AM

Odo/Kira > Everyone



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Posted 14 December 2014 - 04:51 AM

I'm liking Deanna's nice, big tits in Man of the People.

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Posted 14 December 2014 - 04:58 AM

WHAT IS THIS?!



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Posted 14 December 2014 - 05:04 AM

Odo with Kira did nothing to soften the public's squeamishness toward seeing homosexuality on the TV. Rene Auberjoinois is a man and Nana Visitor is a woman. Whether Odo could be a sneaker or a dog or a Playboy Playmate was immaterial because he presented himself nearly all the time as a man to the audience. When did Star Trek start embracing same sex relationships? When Dax kissed his old spouse, when they happened to be in female Trill bodies and kissed. That was an interesting concept, which steamrolled right through the barrier Doctor Crusher put up when she encountered a Trill who went through the same kind of "sex change." Maybe they wanted us to see that Trills are more progressive than humans, and the Jadzia issue, storywise, had nothing to do with homosexuality at all, but rather past lives and loves. We just got to see Terry Farrell kiss a girl and like it. And of course, what can you say about Intendent Kira. But yes, Riker should have been cast opposite a TS or androgynous man instead of the woman in that episode, if they wanted to promote that agenda. And of course, that episode was, what, twenty years before Orange Is the New Black?

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Posted 14 December 2014 - 05:08 AM

WHAT IS THIS?!


Honk honk!

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Posted 14 December 2014 - 04:45 PM

Odo with Kira did nothing to soften the public's squeamishness toward seeing homosexuality on the TV. Rene Auberjoinois is a man and Nana Visitor is a woman. Whether Odo could be a sneaker or a dog or a Playboy Playmate was immaterial because he presented himself nearly all the time as a man to the audience. When did Star Trek start embracing same sex relationships? When Dax kissed his old spouse, when they happened to be in female Trill bodies and kissed. That was an interesting concept, which steamrolled right through the barrier Doctor Crusher put up when she encountered a Trill who went through the same kind of "sex change." Maybe they wanted us to see that Trills are more progressive than humans, and the Jadzia issue, storywise, had nothing to do with homosexuality at all, but rather past lives and loves. We just got to see Terry Farrell kiss a girl and like it. And of course, what can you say about Intendent Kira. But yes, Riker should have been cast opposite a TS or androgynous man instead of the woman in that episode, if they wanted to promote that agenda. And of course, that episode was, what, twenty years before Orange Is the New Black?

 

I can't disagree with this.

 

As for the postulation that Riker would hook up with anything that moves, I've always disagreed with this. I'm not saying he didn't bang other women during the course of the show, but it was obvious that he favored Deanna and always wanted to get back together with her. I typically find it impossible to believe that characters would fall in love on an episode of a TV show, especially in Star Trek, where it's rarely, if ever, done well. A cute exception to the rule is the Picard/Daren episode, but then it's mostly crap like the one where Jadzia falls in love with the Apollo 13 mission control guy.



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Posted 14 December 2014 - 05:02 PM

Most Star Trek love episodes dont really work. It's the typical main character falls in love with hot guest star stuff.

 

DS9 did do well with the romances that lasted more then 1 minute though. Sisko/Kassidy. Worf/Dax. Kira/Odo. Rom/Leeta....


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Posted 14 December 2014 - 05:03 PM

Exactly

 

DS9 > all



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Posted 14 December 2014 - 05:06 PM

Fuck yeah!

I will need to pick up me rewatch.


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Posted 14 December 2014 - 05:11 PM

Most Star Trek love episodes dont really work. It's the typical main character falls in love with hot guest star stuff.


Xenia Onnatopp fell for Picard. Lucky bald old bastard.

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Posted 14 December 2014 - 05:20 PM

TNG followed the same format as TOS: the hot guest star will fall in love with a regular and be forgotten next week. Except they tended to use Riker as the loverman like Kirk because he was younger and more flirty than Picard. But Picard still got his: Vash, Famke, and Beverly notably. DS9 with its serial format could take time to be a soap opera in space and have lasting love relationships.

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Posted 14 December 2014 - 05:23 PM

I feel like he and Beverly had the best chemistry, but it never really went anywhere, sadly. Except the alternate future in All Good Things, they never got together, not even in the movies. But I guess he did get together with Anji?



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Posted 14 December 2014 - 05:29 PM

How about Worf/Troi in season 7? A romance that only ever happened in alternate timelines or parallel universes and was totally ignored in DS9 or the TNG films.


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Posted 14 December 2014 - 05:40 PM

Thank God!



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Posted 14 December 2014 - 05:42 PM

No it would have been cool.

 

They should have had kids. Their children would have had the strength to beat someone up, and would be able to feel their pain while doing it!


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Posted 14 December 2014 - 06:59 PM

Worf and kids? Doesn't work. Look what happened to Alexander. Although I think the DS9 writers made him more of a screw-up and I've never really agreed with their choices.



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Posted 14 December 2014 - 07:01 PM

Alexanders two episode stint in DS9 was futile if harmless

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Posted 14 December 2014 - 09:02 PM

I liked Alexander's mum. If I ever did a Klingon...

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Posted 14 December 2014 - 09:05 PM

I had her action figure.



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Posted 15 December 2014 - 05:53 AM

I was sad when she was killed. I never really cared when Tasha was killed off though.

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 03:33 PM

 

When are people gonna realize that "Generations" is shite, from begining to end?

 

Malcolm McDowell even had a major falling-out with Paramount because of it.

 

That's just your opinion.  Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.

 

 

Of course they are. Everyone has one. Even you.

 

Malcolm McDowell's an asshole.

 

He may be, but what Paramount did to him was nasty, and inexcusable.

 

Anyway, anyone - even if they are an asshole - who was in "If...." gets my vote.



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Posted 15 December 2014 - 03:38 PM

What did they do to him?

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Posted 15 December 2014 - 03:44 PM

What did they do to him?

 

The story goes thus...

MM is on a press junket for "Generations" when he learns of Lindsay Anderson's death. MM is, naturally, upset, and wants to attend his funeral (I don't really need to remind JWfan of how important LA was to MM!). Paramount says "ok, if you do this date, we'll send you to the UK afterwards". Paramount then reneges on the agreement, leaving MM stranded. He makes the funeral...just. Not very nice, eh?



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Posted 15 December 2014 - 04:42 PM

That's show business!


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Posted 16 December 2014 - 06:39 PM

That's show business!

 

Unfortunately.

 

I think it's cool though that McCarthy not only scored the pilot and series finale for TNG but an actual film which was the last one for the Enterprise-D so it was full circle.  


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Kathryn Janeway: "Time travel. Since my first day on the job as a Starfleet Captain I swore I'd never let myself get caught in one of these godforsaken paradoxes - the future is the past, the past is the future, it all gives me a headache."
 

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Posted 16 December 2014 - 06:52 PM

Yes!

He was certainly the dominant musical voice of TNG

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Posted 17 December 2014 - 02:35 AM

I tend to prefer Chattaway's music. In my opinion, Deep Space Nine had the best scores when it comes to Trek TV series. I barely listen to the TNG music (with a major exception being Final Mission by Ron Jones), yet all 4 discs on the Deep Space Nine set get constant plays. Aside from some of Chattaway's music, the La-La Land TNG set is useless.






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