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[Marian Schedenig]

But it will have (or rather not have) a digitally removed reflection of a snake in a glass pane....so it has CGI, kinda.

Marian -

[king mark]

But it will have (or rather not have) a digitally removed reflection of a snake in a glass panel...

Marian -

The reflection is still there in the preview I think.

K.M.

[Lurker]

But it will have (or rather not have) a digitally removed reflection of a snake in a glass pane....so it has CGI, kinda.

As far as I know this is just a rumor, unless you know of some sort of verification.

Neil

[Luke Skywalker]

the trailer few months ago had it (painfully)

Really i dont see why you would like to see the errors in those movies. They are not changing them like in the SW SE...

[Lurker]

Luke it's very simple. I want the films as they were presented on opening day.

Neil

[king mark]

But still,even if they don't remove such "errors" as the snake refletion,it's still a digitally restored print,which means all of the celluloid film artifacts will be digitally removed(including the ones from the best original prints)...isn't that still CG tinketing?And how about restoring faded colors,doesn't that count?

And by just changing the sound mix to DTS 5.1,it's already not the same version as presented in 1981...

K.M.

[Hector J. Guzman]

We´ll just have to wait and see (and hear).

[Luke Skywalker]

Luke it's very simple.  I want the films as they were presented on opening day.

Neil

Simple but hard to understand by me. I see that as remastering, and i dont think remastering is any bad at all.

You are seeing the same photograms but cleaned up (if you count that as cleaning)

Luke who thinks errors (specially those) are not things to be proud of in movies.

[UCFKevin]

Ditto.

I don't need anything precisely as it was, I don't see the point of that. If it looks better and FIXES an obvious mistake, all the better I say.

[king mark]

Yes,some of us agree there is a huge difference between removing an unwanted reflection or a matt line that made the shot look like crap vs. adding a CGI creature that wasn't there before.


K.M.

[Hlao-roo]

I tell you, if the reflection is no longer on the forthcoming DVD release when I view it, it will ruin the ENTIRE movie! I will take the DVD out of the player, and jump on it over and over! It will fracture into several pieces!

[Luke Skywalker]

you could better send them to me. I was not going to buy them, untill the tetralogy release but i could make the effort of having them earlier (and cheaper)

[MrScratch]

I tell you, if the reflection is no longer on the forthcoming DVD release when I view it, it will ruin the ENTIRE movie!  I will take the DVD out of the player, and jump on it over and over!  It will fracture into several pieces!

I don't like the removal of the reflection either, but at least they didn't enhance or CGI the special effects of the film. Considering what they could do, they are pretty much leaving the films alone.

Jeff - having visions of the Cairo swordsman firing first...

[Mr. Breathmask]

If I remember correctly, the snake reflection removal rumor has long been put to rest. The early reports that LFL was going to remove flubs in the film were due to an unclear report about the retouching of the old prints. By removing artefacts, they meant stuff like scratches, spots, and lines that were on the print.

- Marc, who thinks removing flubs digitally is okay, as long as it is done BEFORE theatrical release (not after 22 years! )

[ymenard]

Now let's hope they remove the Han Solo reflection as he's running away from the Endor moon base (after putting up the explosives)

[king mark]

He didn't run away very far,he should have been vaporised along with the several square miles of forest that were leveled.

K.M.

[Luke Skywalker]

You know, i think the bunker is far of the projector dish .They enter the bunker, pass a long tunnel and set the explosives bellow the dish where the main control room is. The secret entrance as C3PO says is at the other end of the hill... and you cannot see any part of the projector in the battle near the bunker. And it is a very big building

[Hlao-roo]

Here's a debate we don't have enough here.

This is from today's IMDB

Indiana Jones producer Frank Marshall is determined to shun the current trends in movie making - insisting the upcoming fourth installment of the hit franchise will avoid using computer effects. Frank is adamant the sequel to the hit Harrison Ford adventure franchise will retain the tradition of its classic forerunners by utilizing real stunt work instead of high-tech graphics, giving it the feel of a B-movie. He says, "We didn't have computer effects in those days, we couldn't easily erase things and I think one of the unfortunate by-products of the computer age is that it makes filmmakers lazy. You become more creative when you have to hide ramps with a tree rather than erase it later as you can today. In Raiders Of The Lost Ark, that's a real ball rolling behind him so Harrison really is in some danger running in front of that; these are real situations and that adds to the excitement and the creative energy on the set. When you start getting into computers you get fantastical situations like in The Matrix or movies like that. We don't want that, we want exciting heroism, we want seat-of-your-pants, skin-of-your-teeth action. We didn't have all the money in the world on the first films and we want to keep that B-movie feel. We want to make Indiana Jones 4 like we made the first three."

Neil

Did this actually happen, or did they end up bowing to modern expectations?

[Luke Skywalker]

they are using some CGI, about 100 shots or something. I highlydoubt they are usng real footage of the ants and enlarge it, expect CGI ants.

I expected them to use vintage effects (matte paintings and all) but at least its far from the 2000+ CGI shots of a prequel movie.

[Romão]

100 CGI shots is really small amount by Today's standards. And CGI does have its uses, it's not like they should avoid at all costs. There are situations when it is more than justifiable.

[tpigeon]

If Steven Spielberg's history with CGI is any indication, we should have no worried with this film. I'm sure there will be CGI, as the trailer has shown, but I don't think it will be in bad taste. Spielberg is as old-fashioned as it gets when it comes to film technology. He's only been interested in using special effects for the purpose of storytelling.

Ted

[Richard Penna]

I'm not worried about the SFX content either. I've seen enough 'making of' documentaries to know that even the most character oriented drama can have all kinds of visual effects work - sky replacement, removing modern features etc.

And Merkel is right - 100 shots is a really small amount. In fact, if you put those 100 together it'd probably last no more than 3 or 4 minutes. In a 2 hour film, that's nothing at all.

[Luke Skywalker]

I find it ironical that i am the only one 'complaining' that the movie uses CGI

I know they are few SFX shots for a film nowadays, thats reasuring

I remembered the source, it was Spielberg in the Empire magazine. He said 'a couple of hundred' effects shots.