So, what happened here? Does anyone know if Williams actually composed new music for cues during the movie that were directly ripped from TPM? or did he just write an incomplete score? I must know!
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Williams wrote an incomplete score or Lucas is a poodoohead?
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Posted 21 May 2002 - 12:17 AM
I'm guessing that he did, but of course that's just a guess. Maybe someday we'll get to hear everything that he wrote for this movie, properly assembled. In the meantime, we can look forward to reading Mr. Takis' article on the butchering of the score.
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Posted 21 May 2002 - 12:18 AM
Someone mentioned on the other board that he may not have scored the battle scenes because he knew they were going to get hacked up. I think that's the idea I agree with.
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Posted 21 May 2002 - 12:20 AM
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Posted 21 May 2002 - 12:20 AM
But what of the reports that he wrote 2 hours of music?
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Posted 21 May 2002 - 12:22 AM
Beats me. It all adds to the mystery of why Lucas murders music.
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Posted 21 May 2002 - 12:24 AM
Yeah... that's too bad. He's always saying how music is the driving force for the story and he treats it like a sport-montage-for-TV.
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Posted 21 May 2002 - 12:27 AM
This time it's your turn to be right!!!
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Posted 21 May 2002 - 12:28 AM
Everything is just so true.... :cry:
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Posted 21 May 2002 - 11:07 AM
I'll take a little of Option A and a little more of Option B
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Posted 21 May 2002 - 04:50 PM
Me too, and who are you?
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Posted 21 May 2002 - 04:51 PM
I think Lucas is a big fat poodoohead. :mad:
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Posted 21 May 2002 - 04:54 PM
Jim Ware has recently claimed that initial sources had Williams composing 125 minutes of music for the film. (I don't recall these sources myself, but I trust Jim). My complete cue breakdown reveals around 124 minutes of original music currently in the film. This would suggest that Williams did NOT score the final battle scenes, at least not anywhere near the length they appear in the film.
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Posted 21 May 2002 - 05:00 PM
Darn. :mad:
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Posted 21 May 2002 - 05:12 PM
If he didn't write music for that scene, then he can do so when he is rescoring parts of Episode 4. At least now it's completely edited... hopefully... ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! I can't believe he wouldn't have composed music for that scene...... it's stupid!
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Posted 22 May 2002 - 12:09 AM
I agree that Mr. Williams should rescore parts of TPM and AOTC, that way he can make them right.
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Posted 22 May 2002 - 03:59 AM
The Phantom Poster has returned!!!
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Posted 22 May 2002 - 10:34 AM
Jim Ware has recently claimed that initial sources had Williams composing 125 minutes of music for the film. (I don't recall these sources myself, but I trust Jim). My complete cue breakdown reveals around 124 minutes of original music currently in the film. This would suggest that Williams did NOT score the final battle scenes, at least not anywhere near the length they appear in the film.
That reports came from none other than Rick McCallum, the prequels' producer.
It's my belief too. It's a very strange thing, btw. Maybe they haven't booked enough LSO sessions to record ALL the music they needed... and then Williams had to run away because he HAD to begin scoring duties on MINORITY REPORT. So he and Lucas decided to go with re-tracking cues from TPM. Other sources claim also that Lucas let to Ken Wannberg the music editing duties... remember that Wannberg is Williams' trusty collaborator since 1967, so Willliams IS probably aware on what happened. It would be nice to hear something about it directly from Ken Wannberg...
My guess now is: could Williams and Lucad go back to those scenes and complete them for the DVD?? It would be very nice! Howard Shore has composed and recorded new music for the lenghtier cut of LOTR especially for the DVD... so Williams and Lucas could do the same with Episode II. Well, this is my hope!
For what concern us... let's start a petition for the Ultimate Edition!
Maurizio
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"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
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Posted 22 May 2002 - 10:47 AM
I adore your new Avatar Harry
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Posted 22 May 2002 - 04:54 PM
Me too, and who are you?
Sorry, I'm GeorgeLucasIsAMoron, and believe it or not, this is my given birth name.
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Posted 22 May 2002 - 05:02 PM
Great nick, makes your whining posts very funny.
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Posted 22 May 2002 - 08:15 PM
Morn, I hate to say this, but nicknames containing insults are not are not allowed here.
I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if someone posted as 'MornisaMoron'.
Another example that comes to mind is 'Foreigners are Stupid'. That nickname was allowed on the FSM board, but it would be immediately deleted here.
I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if someone posted as 'MornisaMoron'.
Another example that comes to mind is 'Foreigners are Stupid'. That nickname was allowed on the FSM board, but it would be immediately deleted here.
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Posted 22 May 2002 - 08:23 PM
But both nicks are funny. You are taking them too seriously
I mean, I'm a foreigner from that guy's perspective even!
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Posted 22 May 2002 - 08:28 PM
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Posted 22 May 2002 - 08:34 PM
"Without tradition, art is a flock of sheep without a shepherd. Without innovation, it is a corpse." - Winston Churchill
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Posted 22 May 2002 - 09:15 PM
But both nicks are funny. You are taking them too seriously
Not really. But I don't think they're appropiate for a place like this (not from my perspective, but from the VISITORS' perspective).
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Posted 22 May 2002 - 09:31 PM
Oh stop it, you guys! You're killing the fun.
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Posted 22 May 2002 - 09:34 PM
I'm sure you wouldn't be happy if someone posted as 'MornisaMoron'.
How about "Morn is a moron, without the second 'o?'"
Or would that be the first 'o?'
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Posted 23 May 2002 - 07:48 AM
LOL! "Morn Is A Moron" sounds better. he he he he he
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Posted 23 May 2002 - 01:19 PM
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Not the same, I'm here to read that nick :mad:
Not the same, I'm here to read that nick :mad:
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Posted 24 May 2002 - 10:50 PM
You're right, Morn. I'm sorry. I'll wait to you log off to continue.
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