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[Stefancos]

I own a digital camera.

And a X-mas hat.

Stefancos-

[Justin]

Seems like a pretty simple soulution.

Justin

[NeejaHalycon]

Say, does anyone know why Mortensen isn't on any of the commentaries? Is it a money thing? Does he just not want to do them? I mean, they even had Sean Bean and John Noble on TTT, for just that one scene.

[Mr. Breathmask]

Yeah, I was a bit disappointed that some of the Company were MIA on the commentaries. No Ian McKellen either.

- Marc

[Morlock]

McKellen wasn't in the interviews either. I wish they hadn't had so many different recording sessions. They should have had 4-5 groups of 3-4, istead of only having Astin, Wood and Serkis and then having Boyd and Mognahan. Everyone else was alone.

[Justin]

Just got back from the 2nd viewing. Loved it even more. Still thought the weakest parts were The Pyre of Denathor and Gollum bouncing around on Frodo. Although the shots were a lot shorter than I remember. Also I loved Smeagol Vs. Deagol even more after viewing two, absoulutly fantastic. I love the pumping sound effect.

Bring on viewing No. 3!!!

Justin -Who thinks the final trek up Mount Doom is brilliance beyond words, you just can describe the surge of emotions. The movie going experience of a lifetime.

[Mr. Breathmask]

Yeah Justin, those are some weak points. I also like the editing the least in this one. If they'd toned down the flashbacks and slow-motion stuff, they might have had more time so they could show Denethor's Palantír or other plot points that were now left out. I also felt they got to Mt Doom too fast after Cirith Ungol, but I hear that bit from the book where Frodo and Sam are forced to walk along with a band of Orcs is going to be in the EE.

- Marc, who's going to see it a 2nd time today, this time, on a much larger screen.

[Marian Schedenig]

I still defend the "final confrontation" between Frodo and Gollum. Ok, so it does look a BIT goofy, but the point is, they manage to get across what happens. How would you film a fight between a mad CGI creature and an invisible hobbit and still make it clear that Gollum bites off Frodo's finger?

And there are several parts where I wasn't completely happy with the timing, but since I know the difference between TTT and TTT:EE, I won't complain about that before I've seen the full thing. Especially after those rumours that it might be longer than 4:50...

Marian - hoping Denethor's and Aragorn's Palantir scenes are in the long version.

[Luke Skywalker]

I still defend the "final confrontation" between Frodo and Gollum. Ok, so it does look a BIT goofy, but the point is, they manage to get across what happens. How would you film a fight between a mad CGI creature and an invisible hobbit and still make it clear that Gollum bites off Frodo's finger?

And there are several parts where I wasn't completely happy with the timing, but since I know the difference between TTT and TTT:EE, I won't complain about that before I've seen the full thing. Especially after those rumours that it might be longer than 4:50...

Marian - hoping Denethor's and Aragorn's Palantir scenes are in the long version.

1- Hiring ILM for the task?

I dont know if it is, but it should have been done by putting Eliah Wood on a blue outfit (as serkis) and put serkis on top of Wood and then substituting Serkis with Gollum. It is was filmed that way then i cannot understand the strange movements they made.

2- I'm the only one who thinks that TTT:EE additions are just a bunch of funny scenes with one or twi truly important? I think that FOTR:EE was handled better

[Justin]

1- Hiring ILM for the task?

The CGI was fine. ILM would have done nothing diffrent. :roll:

I think a good way of handling it would have been through the "Ring view" like in bree or Amon Hen. It would have been interesting to see it. Although I don't really hate the sequence I simply think it could have been done better.

2- I'm the only one who thinks that TTT:EE additions are just a bunch of funny scenes with one or twi truly important? I think that FOTR:EE was handled better

I didn't find the Boromir, Faramir, Denathor flashback to be funny at all.

Justin -Who thinks the film needed a bit of humor though.

[Mr. Breathmask]

Yeah, Ring Vision might have been a way. Or not those big overview shots, but just Gollum wrestling, and Frodo then suddenly re-appearing, screaming, with one bleading stump on his hand.

- Marc, who just got back from a 2nd viewing.

David Arnold - 1969 -- We Came In Peace from Independence Day (OST)

[Marian Schedenig]

2- I'm the only one who thinks that TTT:EE additions are just a bunch of funny scenes with one or twi truly important? I think that FOTR:EE was handled better

FOTR:EE had some very nice scenes. TTT:EE was a massive improvement in timing issues and fleshing out the characters.

Marian - who thinks TTT:EE was a FAR bigger improvement than FOTR:EE.

[Morlock]

I think the only big improvement was Faramir. The scene where Merry and Pippin find Saruman's secret stash is one of the worst in all three movies.

[Stefancos]

What on earth is so bad about it, it fits with the characters, not to mention it explains how they got so filled up and drnk in ROTK.

[Morlock]

It's filmed as a Kevin Smith stoner scene. It's unfitting of the movies. And they are over acting- clearly, neither has been stoned.

[Luke Skywalker]

1- Hiring ILM for the task?

The CGI was fine. ILM would have done nothing diffrent. :roll:

I think a good way of handling it would have been through the "Ring view" like in bree or Amon Hen. It would have been interesting to see it. Although I don't really hate the sequence I simply think it could have been done better.

2- I'm the only one who thinks that TTT:EE additions are just a bunch of funny scenes with one or twi truly important? I think that FOTR:EE was handled better

I didn't find the Boromir, Faramir, Denathor flashback to be funny at all.

Justin -Who thinks the film needed a bit of humor though.

1- If you say so...

2- That's one of the scenes i called truly important...

[Morlock]

The CGI was great. Lately- ILM has been very unimpressive. AoTC the Clones the most fake and sterile movie I've ever seen, with effects to match, and Minority Report had pretty routin SFX, except for the Spyder scene, which Spielberg didn't think ILM could do, so he gave it to PDI.

[Stefancos]

Minority Report had very good special effects, but didn't flaunt them like most summer blockbusters seem to.
I liked the way they were used in an almost matter of fact way (indeed, for people like Anderton, flying cars are as normal as regular cars are to us).

Stefancos- who thinks MR was one of the best films of that year, and is already underrated.

[Hector J. Guzman]

Lord of the Rings 3 is gonna kick major ass, baby!

There's not even a LOTR 2 yet, far too early to worry about a LOTR 3.

Marian -

Well, you'd have to have common sense to understand, as far as the MPAA is concerned they're three separate movies, and just like you may refer to them as FOTR, TTT and ROTK (their initials), I choose to refer to them by the numbered order in which they were released: The first one, #1, the second one, #2, and so forth.

And if you want to consider them as one, then you might as well sign a petition to the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, the Golden Globes and others that they should not consider in nominating a single award for these films since they're just one.

Hector -

[Marian Schedenig]

I just dislike "LOTR 3" because it sounds like the second sequel to LOTR, whereas it is the third part...."LOTR part 3" would be a different story.

Marian - who still prefers Tolkien's own naming: "The Return of the King, being the third part of The Lord of the Rings".

ROTK

[Hector J. Guzman]

When Elrond took off his hood where Aragorn and the army where camping, he should have said:


"Mr. Aragorn, surprised to see me?"



LOL

[IrishCal24]

I just dislike "LOTR 3" because it sounds like the second sequel to LOTR, whereas it is the third part...."LOTR part 3" would be a different story.

Marian - who still prefers Tolkien's own naming: "The Return of the King, being the third part of The Lord of the Rings".

According to a recent documentary, Return of the King was a title chosen by the publisher when it was decided the books would be published in three seperate three volumes due to a paper shortage and cost issues. In fact, it is said that Tolkien disliked that title and was very reluctant to allow it because it spoils a major plotline.

1- Hiring ILM for the task?

You shouldn't discredit WETA simply because it's not ILM. ILM isn't the be-all and end-all of FX houses and frankly, I think it's about time it had some real competition as their work was starting to become a little stagnant. WETA is the first worthy rival they've had in a long while and it will foster creativity and one-upmanship among artists at both houses. In my opinion, that can only be a good thing. WETA's existance may also benefit ILM by easing the job-loads per house and giving both more time to concentrate and improve upon quality of the work they're putting out.

Of the seven films up for this years Best Visual Effects Oscar, my favorite, Master and Commander, happens to feature work done by both ILM(digital)and WETA(miniatures). Unfortunately, it's unlikely to win because the work is almost too seamless.

[Mr. Breathmask]

I just dislike "LOTR 3" because it sounds like the second sequel to LOTR, whereas it is the third part...."LOTR part 3" would be a different story.

Marian - who still prefers Tolkien's own naming: "The Return of the King, being the third part of The Lord of the Rings".

According to a recent documentary, Return of the King was a title chosen by the publisher when it was decided the books would be published in three seperate three volumes due to a paper shortage and cost issues. In fact, it is said that Tolkien disliked that title and was very reluctant to allow it because it spoils a major plotline.

Yes. Tolkien didn't want his story split up in the first place, of course. He also wanted to have the third volume called The War of the Ring, but apparently that wouldn't do.

- Marc, who needs to read The Silmarillion.

[Marian Schedenig]

According to a recent documentary, Return of the King was a title chosen by the publisher when it was decided the books would be published in three seperate three volumes due to a paper shortage and cost issues. In fact, it is said that Tolkien disliked that title and was very reluctant to allow it because it spoils a major plotline.

Very true. He also never really made up his mind about which two towers the title The Two Towers actually refers to. Still, I've always imagined the "being the nth part of The Lord of the Rings" bits being Tolkien's own wording.

Marian - who thinks Tolkien's original titles ("The Ring Goes South",...) aren't that great either.

[Morlock]

I just dislike "LOTR 3" because it sounds like the second sequel to LOTR, whereas it is the third part...."LOTR part 3" would be a different story.

Marian - who still prefers Tolkien's own naming: "The Return of the King, being the third part of The Lord of the Rings".

ROTK

Reminds of the story that the producers of the Madness of King George III changed the title for the American audiences to just The Madness of King George. They were afraid that the stupid American audiences would think that it's the sequel to The Madness of King George II. I don't know what's worse- that they thought the Americans wouldn't understand, or that it might be true.

[king mark]

I saw it today and thought it was excellent.BUT AGAIN the scores sounded very boring,disconnected from the action and uninspired.Long notes,sane boring themes with a choir that just sits there.And why can`t Shore speed up the music when the action gets moving is beyond me.I just kept wishing John Williams would swoop in like the Nazguls and take these great scenes to new heights.


And I thought Theoden`s death scene was lifted word for word from Return of the Jedi.

And the special effects were the most convincing i ever saw.

K.M.

[Stefancos]

And I thought Theoden`s death scene was lifted word for word from Return of the Jedi.

Then you have never actually seen Return Of The Jedi.

Stefancos- :roll:

[Luke Skywalker]

The CGI was great. Lately- ILM has been very unimpressive. AoTC the Clones the most fake and sterile movie I've ever seen,

Do you really believe it?!


Luke, who has not seen any better CGI person-movement in any other movie.


Look. WETA's work is good (as i stated other times) but i dont buy the praise it gets by people who likes so much the movie who cannot see ANY SFX errors in them. (Having blatantly ugly ones as the CGI Legolas)

And dont get picky at me saying like 'i like this movie or other because it its made by ILM...' or other similar remark, because i already posted two time the errors of AOC, and being me a SW it has to be worth something.

[king mark]

SORRY but what is WETA?

K.M.

[Marian Schedenig]

A weta is an insect related to the cricket, which lives in New Zealand.



Marian -

[king mark]

That clears up everything,thanks!

K.M.

[Marian Schedenig]

Try this then:
http://www.wetadigital.com

Marian -

[king mark]

Well it's impressive for a small company like that.Don't think ILM could have done any better.Maybe WETA should do the Potter movies.

K.M.

[Morlock]

Do you really believe it?!

Luke, who has not seen any better CGI person-movement in any other movie.

Every inch of that movie looked fake. Maybe the people did interact well with the CGI (it's debatable), but the CGI looked like CGI that is not any kind of achievment. Shelob looking and feeling real was an achievement. I think WETA should do the Potter films- look at how pathetic Aragog was (as a stupid puppet) and how pitifull Dobby was next to Gollum.

[Hector J. Guzman]

I liked Gollum. He looked very real. Except for that scene at the end in the lava. He should have stopped caring for the ring when he was being burned to death.

[Luke Skywalker]

Do you really believe it?!

Luke, who has not seen any better CGI person-movement in any other movie.

Every inch of that movie looked fake. Maybe the people did interact well with the CGI (it's debatable), but the CGI looked like CGI that is not any kind of achievment. Shelob looking and feeling real was an achievement. I think WETA should do the Potter films- look at how pathetic Aragog was (as a stupid puppet) and how pitifull Dobby was next to Gollum.

IT'S TRUE! The guy believes it!

[Justin]

I liked Gollum. He looked very real. Except for that scene at the end in the lava. He should have stopped caring for the ring when he was being burned to death.

Some people just don't get it....

Justin - Suprised at Hector... :?

[Hector J. Guzman]

:?


Still this should have been said: "Mr. Aragorn, suprised to see me?" LOL

[king mark]

Gollum is the most realistic CG character yet.Second would be Jar Jar.

K.M.

[Stefancos]

Yes Preciousss