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[Mr. Breathmask]

Gollum is the most realistic CG character yet.Second would be Jar Jar.

Dunno. Maybe the runner-up is a tie between Dobby and Jar Jar. Watto's quite good too.

- Marc, who knows Gollum rules them all.

[king mark]

Jar Jar looks `real`as he really looks like some guy in a costume,not that actors in suits make more realistic monsters.

Only Gollum`s hair looked animated at times,but I saw RotK projected on an IMAX screen so i could see all flaws.

K.M.

[Luke Skywalker]

I think that the hulk face was the best portrait of a human face yet. Of course the guy does not speak, they we cannot match it with any other CGI face

I think the best face is in this pick:
http://www.thehulk.c...ndex_flash.html

And another good pick is this one :


How can people say it as fake and below 'normal' CGI is beyond me...


Who can anyone put Dobby and Gollum in the same level and other put Dobby as pitiful CGI?

Anyway, i dont need to see an IMAX screen to see flaws. Must be a sixth sense or something...

[Mr. Breathmask]

Hm. Well I haven't seen Hulk, so I don't know. Dobby's movements looked okay, but indeed his skin isn't as good as the Hulk's.

- Marc

[king mark]

On the Imax screen you can't help to stare at all the skin defects and blemishes of the actors,that gets annoying.Every pore is like 4 feet wide

K.M,

[Justin]

Some thoughts on ROTK and LOTR as a whole...

I've been thinking about who had the greatest performance of each film and of the trilogy.

The best performances of FOTR (leading actor and supporting) would be Elijah Wood and Sean Bean. I thought about Ian Mckellen but Bean's performance throughout the film and especially in The Breaking of The Fellowship is absoulutly breathtaking.
TTT was a little bit more tricky but in the end I'd say Elijah Wood and Andy Serkis yeah you can't see Serkis but his performance is still fantastic and he simply makes the character.
ROTK we have a few changes. Viggo Mortensen shines forth throughout the whole film twofold in his speach at the Black Gate. Sean Astin. Easily the best performance of the whole trilogy. His performance on the slopes of Mount Doom is perfection.

The Best of of the trilogy? Who else? Elijah Wood and Sean Astin. Other performances of note not mentioned above would be Ian Mckellen, Christopher Lee, Cate Blanchett, Billy Boyd, (His character takes an amazing change in ROTK. His performance is much more dynamic.) Bernard Hill, Ian Holm, John Noble, (brilliant performance from every aspect) Brad Dourif, John Rhys-Davies, (Continually great!) Dominic Monaghan, and David Wenham. Again major improvments on all these performances in ROTK.
Some of the acting took a step down IMO perticularly, Karl Urban I found him slightly annoying in TTT and he got worse in ROTK IMO. I never really liked him. Liv Tyler, Miranda Otto, Hugo Weaving, and Orlando Bloom. Really didn't improove much, but they didn't get all that worse.

Justin -Who adores Andy Serkis's performance as Smeagol in the ROTK prolouge.

[Ren]

I think that Sean Astin has the best performance of the trilogy with Andy Serkis a close second. Sam was the best character in the book, Sean was great. I hated Elijah's performance for the most part.. . . .that stupid face he made when ever the eye was on him. I just about ripped the screen down in ROTK. I'd had enough of it. But Bernard Hill made me keep watching. His acting was superb in both the latter movies. I hope he's nominated for something.

[Mr. Breathmask]

Astin had some brilliant moments. The Mount Doom scenes are heart-wrenching. But I also think he had some poorer moments. "N-n-n-nothing important, Mr. Gandalf.", that little scene wasn't as good, I think.
Bernard Hill rocks, although his death scene seemed to drag a little, but you can hardly blame him for that, can you?
Andy Serkis gives everything to make Gollum the most memorably character of the whole trilogy. His performance as Sméagol is also quite nice to see.
Even though I don't like the way Denethor was portrayed in the final version of RotK, I have to give some kudos to John Noble, who shows off some excellent acting, also in the Sons of the Steward scene in the TTT EE.
Ian McKellen can do these great things with just one look. Look at how he's tempted by the Ring in Bag End in FotR. Brilliant. I love that "Oh shit" look on his face when those trolls come through the doors of Minas Tirith in RotK. And check out the "Heir of Númenor" monologue in the TTT EE. I don't think there are many actors in these films that could pull something like that off as smoothly as he did.

- Marc

[Marian Schedenig]

Ian McKellen can do these great things with just one look. Look at how he's tempted by the Ring in Bag End in FotR. Brilliant.

Absolutely. The face between "don't" and "tempt me" is one of my favourite bits of acting. I think McKellen often does his best acting when he's not saying anything.

Marian - who thinks Ian Holm was outstanding as always in FOTR.

[Luke Skywalker]

WETA should do the Potter movies.

Well i saw the first Potter movie yesterday and i have to agree that it has the poorest CGI i have seen in a big budget movie. I spent the whole movie thinking OH MY GOD. The only good things are Fluffy, The face of Voldemort, the centaur and sometimes the Troll.

B U T

Has anyone seen the credits? There are up to EIGHT Special Effects companies, the first one mentiones is SONY pictures Imageworks. I fear they are the reason of the awful Quidditch match. Anyway they ILM is not in the movie poster credits so it is not that they got the credit and did nothing.

And you saying this Morlock:

and Minority Report had pretty routin SFX, except for the Spyder scene, which Spielberg didn't think ILM could do, so he gave it to PDI.

you should have checked about Harry Potter too.


Luke, who couldnt believe ILM would perform THAT bad.

[Mr. Breathmask]

I don't think ILM was involved in the first Potter film. They did do a lot on the second, though. I think one of the things they did was the Basilisk, which looked amazing. I don't know if they did the digital Fawkes, but that's one of the things in the film that could have been better.

- Marc

[Luke Skywalker]

Yes it was involved in HP I, but not as much as people believe.

[Stefancos]

HEY!!!...no Harry Potter discussion in this LOTR thread.

Go and make your own thread!

Stefancos-

[Ren]

Thanks, go over to the HP discussion thread or make a CGI thread. .. .LOTR here. LOTR here.

[Stefancos]

Listen to women Luke, they're alyawys right.

[Mark Olivarez]

Look. WETA's work is good (as i stated other times) but i dont buy the praise it gets by people who likes so much the movie who cannot see ANY SFX errors in them. (Having blatantly ugly ones as the CGI Legolas)

You must have missed the ugly CGI Anakins in AOTC.

[Luke Skywalker]

Look. WETA's work is good (as i stated other times) but i dont buy the praise it gets by people who likes so much the movie who cannot see ANY SFX errors in them. (Having blatantly ugly ones as the CGI Legolas)

You must have missed the ugly CGI Anakins in AOTC.

No my friend, i did not missed it. I already posted it as one of the CGI errors in AOC.


And stefan i was not the one who mentioned The-One-You-Know here first

[ST-321]

Happy Birthday (Jan. 3rd) Professor Tolkien!!

[Hector J. Guzman]

:roll:

[Stefancos]

Isn't he dead?

[Stefancos]

BTW, anyone noticed that the film has no scene were the Orc Chieftain was killed?

Seems a bit strange since they spend a fair amount of time on this character, making him particularry vile and evil, only not to have some kinda pay off.

This is something I hope the EE will improve upon.

Also we need more scenes of the battle ofter the Army Of The Dead arrive.
I think it ends pretty abruptly after that.

[Ren]

Ren, in agreement.

[Hector J. Guzman]

I hope EE rectifies plenty of things

[Stefancos]

Like what?

[Ren]

Like Denethor, appendices, Witch King, . . . . .

[Stefancos]

Appendices?

Not to likely Ren, i mean, how would they be able to incorporate everything that happens to the Fellowship after the actual book ends?

They need to spend more time on Aragorn and company taking charge of Minas Tirith, there are no scenes were the people of Gondor behold their King ride into his new realm.

Also more time could be spend on getting the preparations and journey of the soldiers of Gondor and Rohan to the Black Gate.
The way it is now it kinda looks like the Black Gate is around the corner.

[Justin]

I think Eowyn kills the Orc Chieftain. Maybe not though, that's basically speculation. I'm hoping for a bitch slapping contest personally.

Justin -Who noticed a shot from the scene with Sauruman at Isengard in ROTK on a TTT documentary.

[Stefancos]

I think Eowyn kills the Orc Chieftain. Maybe not though, that's basically speculation. I'm hoping for a bitch slapping contest personally.

That would be to much, she already kills the Lord of the Nazgul.

How about Eomer, he did not have much to do in ROTK?

[Justin]

Maybe he dies of natural causes.

Justin

[Stefancos]

Boy, someone should bitch slap you.

[Mr. Breathmask]

LOL

I hope we get some more Paths of the Dead. Viggo Mortensen has said that there was this lengthy sequence where they had to run in front of blue screen, and they were presumably being chased by the Dead. Sounds kinda neat. There are also pictures of the Three Hunters having to plow their way through thousands of human skulls. Very Jackson.
Bring on the EE!

- Marc, who has to go to school in a few minutes.

[Luke Skywalker]

What about the surrender of the southern People? The specters do not leave a sole enemy being alive... or so it seems....

[Ren]

great point luke.

[Ren]

I am almost finished with the documentaries on TTT:EE. I can't believe that MASSIVE program. It's amazing what they can do now.

[Hector J. Guzman]

LOL

I hope we get some more Paths of the Dead. Viggo Mortensen has said that there was this lengthy sequence where they had to run in front of blue screen, and they were presumably being chased by the Dead. Sounds kinda neat. There are also pictures of the Three Hunters having to plow their way through thousands of human skulls. Very Jackson.
Bring on the EE!

Yes! "Bring 'em on!" From all of this, my favorite stuff is the extras.

Goldsmith Fireworks
London Symphony Orchestra
Jerry Goldsmith

[QuestionMarkMan]

I also assumed there'd be more footage of the dead, part of it being from the ROTK videogame and all the stuff it has on them in there, granted half of it was created for the game but still.

[Luke Skywalker]

Has the Videogame cutscenes with unreleased footage?


Luke, who thinks Marian will try it then

[Mr. Breathmask]

I've seen Merry offering his service to Théoden online. But I don't know if that scene came from the video game. The scene seemed to be completely finished and graded and everything to me.

- Marc, wants his Extended Edition NOW.

[Luke Skywalker]

Im sure the videogame has finished footage, or so it should...

[Marian Schedenig]

That scene has been around since the very early trailers.

Luke, who thinks Marian will try it then

I dunno. I'm not totally uninterested, but right now, I'd rather try that Quidditch game.

Marian -