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Posted 23 May 2012 - 03:41 AM
He said it would be hymn-like. I wonder if he's going to use a chorus. That would be pretty great.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 04:26 AM
You mean like Leia's Theme? 
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 04:43 PM
the big secret in this film is who plays John wilkes Booth?
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 04:49 PM
He said it would be hymn-like. I wonder if he's going to use a chorus. That would be pretty great.
I don't expect use of choir. I guess Williams intends hymn-like music in the sense of use of particular harmonies and modes which can be traced back to 19th century American music.
"It's still baffling to me. I sit down with a pencil and a piece of paper and do my best... The remarkable thing is that my music is heard by billions of people." --John Williams
"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 06:29 PM
the big secret in this film is who plays John wilkes Booth?
How do you kill a sixty foot tall Abraham Lincoln?
@Wojo: stop being facetious.
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Posted 23 May 2012 - 08:09 PM
with a sixty foot tall John Wilkes Booth?
the big secret in this film is who plays John wilkes Booth?
How do you kill a sixty foot tall Abraham Lincoln?
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 04:28 PM
Release date: November 9th (limited), November 16th (wide) - http://www.deadline....ielberg-disney/
So I guess that means score samples in October!
So I guess that means score samples in October!
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 04:34 PM
Woohoo!
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 04:46 PM
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 04:52 PM
it was only a matter of time. I wonder how it ends.
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"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
"You're not John Conner, I saw you die, said Kyle". "I was only injured, replied John". "No, your injuries were too severe, you died. Look at you, where are your injuries? You're, you're a Terminator." "Kyle, its still me, yes my body was beyond repair, but my essence is here." He points to his head. "No John". Kyle raised his pulse rifle and aimed it at John but before he could fire, John fired first. Knocked to the ground Kyle looked up at the Terminator in the form of the man he once idolized. All hope was lost. "If you kill me how will you ever be born?" "Thats a good question Kyle, all this time we've focus on Sarah, on John, when had we known the it was you we should have targeted all along." John pointed his rifle at Kyle's face. "The resistance is finished, the battle is won. We the machines are the victors, salvation is ours." Kyle never heard the second shot.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 05:09 PM
I just can't get excited about this score when I'm absolutely expecting Nixon meets The Patriot.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 05:11 PM
I think its going to be in a rather different direction considering how Williams kept going on about how hymn-like its going to be. So I suppose we'll get more of his pastoral writing infused with his usual sense of Americana.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 05:15 PM
Maybe. That'd certainly be more appealing to me.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 05:17 PM
I liked Nixon and The Patriot (although the latter was sort of Williams on auto-pilot).
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 06:05 PM
Wow I wasn't expecting it to be released so soon (I expected a December release)! It shouldn't be too long before we get a trailer.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 06:09 PM
first the trailer, then the soundtrack samples, then the soundtrack, then the film.... it's all right around the corner now!
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 06:16 PM
It feels like we were just doing this for Tintin and War Horse...so this is what it's like to be a fan of JW when he's actively writing.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 07:41 PM
Considering this film is based on Lincoln, I expect the score to be quite "American". I think we'll see a lot of strings and definitely hear similarities similiar to "Nixon", "JFK", "War Horse", "The Patriot", "Saving Private Ryan". I don't see the use of a chorus unless there is a lot of war scenes but I definitely expect nice brass, strings, possibly flutes as well. I'm super excited and can't wait!
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Yes unfortunately most choral works seem to end up being for battle sequences 
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:04 PM
YES! I was afraid that this wasn't to be released until early 2013. Hopefully we'll get a trailer soon. I hope it contains music from the film like War Horse did.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:16 PM
Finally same action. Maybe the number of pages in this thread will rise to 25...or even 30!
Hobbit thread had 101 when I started to write this post, now the number might be 106.
Hobbit thread had 101 when I started to write this post, now the number might be 106.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:18 PM
Didn't Williams say the score is guitar heavy?
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:23 PM
Finally same action. Maybe the number of pages in this thread will rise to 25...or even 30!
Hobbit thread had 101 when I started to write this post, now the number might be 106.
You're more interested in a guy who looks dull and has been dead for years than in a freak with hairy feet, who smokes weed and goes on a journey to slay a dragon? Summer heat must have melted your frozen Finnish brain!
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:27 PM
Just observing.
Summer heat? Give us some!
Summer heat? Give us some!
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Summer heat? Give us some!
I sent some at the beginning of July, via FedEx. They told me they lost the package somewhere in the south. Don't blame me, blame them!
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:05 PM
At least you didn't use DHL.
Indeed, i hope this trailer also uses the score... That would be great.
I can't believe we were discussing War Horse a year ago.
...Hopefully we'll get a trailer soon. I hope it contains music from the film like War Horse did.
Indeed, i hope this trailer also uses the score... That would be great.
I can't believe we were discussing War Horse a year ago.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:12 PM
It's funny that Lincoln has it's release more than a month earlier than War Horse but there are still no trailers or even production stills out yet.
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Posted 18 July 2012 - 09:31 PM
Now that we know it's definitely coming in November, I don't think a trailer would be more than a month away. Unless Spielberg really meant it when he said he didn't want it used for political fodder
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Fantastic news! Another Williams score so soon.
I think there was some fuss about IMDB listing George Doering as a guitarist for the score but I don't think there has been any report of the score being "guitar heavy". This is how internet rumors are fuelled. From a soloist to "guitar heavy".Didn't Williams say the score is guitar heavy?
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So you're telling me the entire score will be one long and unaccompanied guitar solo, and "Rounds" was our first sample? I'll go alert the press.
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I think it is fairly obvious that it will the guitarist John Williams who will be writing this score.
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 07:29 AM
It's more obvious that by incorporating the guitar in this score our John Williams is attempting to completely eradicate the other John Williams from Google search results.
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Actually, I think that might have the opposite effect.
Do we know if it is an acoustic guitar or an electric guitar?
Do we know if it is an acoustic guitar or an electric guitar?
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Posted 19 July 2012 - 08:01 AM
It's an electric guitar 
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Actually, I think that might have the opposite effect.
Do we know if it is an acoustic guitar or an electric guitar?
Don't worry - Googles algorithms work in our John's favour.
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I often stumbled on this guy too when searching for JW
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Actually, I think that might have the opposite effect.
Do we know if it is an acoustic guitar or an electric guitar?
Don't worry - Googles algorithms work in our John's favour.
If only you were right...
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You have far too much time on your hands!
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