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Posted 06 February 2007 - 07:36 PM
Almost all Williams 'boring' scores have their share of fans.
must not be boring for them (us)
must not be boring for them (us)
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Posted 06 February 2007 - 10:11 PM
I can find good in every Williams score, believe it or not.
Do you like John Williams? His early work was a little too jazzy for my taste, but when Jaws came out in '75 I really think he came into his own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and an air of consummate professionalism that really gives the pieces a big boost. He's been compared to Jerry Goldsmith but I think John has a far more leitmotif-driven style of composing. In '82 John composed this, E.T., his most accomplished album to date. I think his undisputed masterpiece is "The Magic of Halloween", a theme so catchy most people don't listen to what it means. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of childhood and the importance of friendship, it's also a personal statement about the man himself. Hey Paul!
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Posted 06 February 2007 - 10:30 PM
So can I. All except Sabrina.
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Posted 06 February 2007 - 10:55 PM
In a related story, TV actor Lee Bergere, who played Lincoln in the Classic Trek episode The Savage Curtain has passed away.
Kahless the Unforgettable, however...is still alive.
Lincoln as in Abraham? In Star Trek? Or is it a character under that name?
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Posted 06 February 2007 - 11:35 PM
In a related story, TV actor Lee Bergere, who played Lincoln in the Classic Trek episode The Savage Curtain has passed away.
Kahless the Unforgettable, however...is still alive.
Lincoln as in Abraham? In Star Trek? Or is it a character under that name?
I assumed it was in a Holodeck episode.
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Posted 07 February 2007 - 12:55 AM
Didn't Williams confim this project in a round about way in that interview posted the other day that also revealed his viola concerto?
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Posted 07 February 2007 - 01:35 AM
In a related story, TV actor Lee Bergere, who played Lincoln in the Classic Trek episode The Savage Curtain has passed away.
That's sad. I always liked The Savage Curtain. It was one of the few season 3 gems of TOS.
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Posted 07 February 2007 - 05:22 AM
What book is the movie based off of? I assumed it was just a movie about Lincoln.
And he led a VERY interesting life. A man makes his own way, loses children, has an obsessive wife, presides over a country as it tears itself apart and tries to manage the egoes of all the national leadership. He lost his one true love tragically in what...the 1830s? It drove him near madness. He was extremely funny and charming according to everyone who heard him or met him.
This is the type of man that has rarely been tackled in films, at least successfully, and it's all the more amazing that it really happened.
And he led a VERY interesting life. A man makes his own way, loses children, has an obsessive wife, presides over a country as it tears itself apart and tries to manage the egoes of all the national leadership. He lost his one true love tragically in what...the 1830s? It drove him near madness. He was extremely funny and charming according to everyone who heard him or met him.
This is the type of man that has rarely been tackled in films, at least successfully, and it's all the more amazing that it really happened.
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Posted 07 February 2007 - 05:26 AM
First of all, there has yet to be a great film about Lincoln. Second of all, the book is not about Lincoln personal life, but about his public life, and focuses mainly on the men who made up his cabinet. Third of all, it's a great book, a great story, full of interesting characters.
First of all, your wrong, there has been a great film about Lincoln. Second the film starred the late great Henry Fonda as Abraham Lincoln, in Young Mr. Lincoln, 1939, directed by John Ford, also late, also great.
There's also a great 1940 film called Abe Lincoln in Illinois starring Raymond Massey.
And to reply to vaderbait, Speilberg's film is to be based on presidential historian Doris Kearns Goodwin's book "Team of Rivals" that, I think, came out just last year. It focuses on how Lincoln often picked his political enemies/opponents to be his closest advisers and how many of them became his closest friends and defenders.
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Posted 07 February 2007 - 02:38 PM
Indeed. A great book, that focuses mainly on Lincoln, but also largely on his cabinet members.
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Posted 07 February 2007 - 11:59 PM
That's funny. I was just reading that book and thinking "this would make an excellent movie."
Great minds think alike I guess.
Great minds think alike I guess.
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Posted 11 February 2009 - 01:17 PM
Hollywood Elsewhere reports that Spielberg's long-anticipated film about Abraham Lincoln could be released as soon as the end of 2009. The green-light could be given next week, says screenwriter Tony Kushner.
So, we could get a new Williams film score in 2009!
So, we could get a new Williams film score in 2009!
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"Let me say, however, there is no "next" John Williams. Sadly, he is unique--- a figure who simultaneously embodies and transcends the music of all the masters of film music who preceded him (much like Brahms and Wagner of the Romantic era). He comes from a time when the craft of music in film was still one of the ear, heart and mind. Today, sadly, the craft is largely technical. Most composers do not conceive their music "inwardly" but rather at the computer--- and with rather limited skills, musically, at that. The inner spirit knows no boundaries--- our plastic abilities, sadly, do. John is a man of spirit, heart, intellect and soaring music." -- Conrad Pope about John Williams
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Posted 11 February 2009 - 01:22 PM
This wouldn't surprise me, since it well known that Spielberg shoots extremely quickly.
If it does indeed shoot this year, then I'm surprised by just how seemingly quick it is to shoot a Mocap movie, in Tintin.
If it does indeed shoot this year, then I'm surprised by just how seemingly quick it is to shoot a Mocap movie, in Tintin.
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Posted 11 February 2009 - 03:29 PM
He should shoot slower and wait for magic to happen. Today Spielberg's movies tend to be already finished before he starts shooting them. There was a time when Spielberg made movies while improvising on the set.
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Posted 11 February 2009 - 04:29 PM
I'm okay with this, I've been very excited about Lincoln, I love biopics. And of course I'm sure we can expect an excellent score for this film!
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Posted 11 February 2009 - 05:57 PM
This is a film that doesn't ever need to see the light of day.
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Posted 11 February 2009 - 06:26 PM
...since it well known that Spielberg shoots extremely quickly.
He should shoot slower and wait for magic to happen.
OH MY GOD!!! OH MY GOD!!!
I need to put my eyes out from that mental image!!!!
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Posted 11 February 2009 - 06:30 PM
Indeed, it is almost as shocking an image as seeing Spielberg 'dance' with Kate Capshaw during the Indiana Jones trilogy dvd features.
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Posted 11 February 2009 - 06:59 PM
Yes! I'm excited for any Spielberg film, even if it's about a genre that I'm not crazy about. And of course, the JW score will be nice. And with Lincoln and Tintin off the table, Spielberg will finally have time to move onto his next project, Intersteller, which I have been excited about for a while.
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Posted 11 February 2009 - 07:12 PM
Well lets put it this way ...John Williams is 77 and not getting younger .Any Spielberg project that is completed fast is good news to me.
To me the "JW angle" always has priority over anything else.the film can suck ass for all I care, if I get new JW music I'll be happy
To me the "JW angle" always has priority over anything else.the film can suck ass for all I care, if I get new JW music I'll be happy
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Posted 11 February 2009 - 07:34 PM
...since it well known that Spielberg shoots extremely quickly.
He should shoot slower and wait for magic to happen.
OH MY GOD!!! OH MY GOD!!!
I need to put my eyes out from that mental image!!!!
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Posted 11 February 2009 - 08:58 PM
Yes!!! I'm really excited about ANY new Steven Spielberg project, and not just because of the score.
No, you don't ever need to see it if you think that way.
This is a film that doesn't ever need to see the light of day.
No, you don't ever need to see it if you think that way.
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Posted 11 February 2009 - 10:40 PM
Yipee, another rushed Spielberg production.
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Posted 11 February 2009 - 10:55 PM
Well lets put it this way ...John Williams is 77 and not getting younger .Any Spielberg project that is completed fast is good news to me.
To me the "JW angle" always has priority over anything else.the film can suck ass for all I care, if I get new JW music I'll be happy
Yes, and Spielberg is 62. When Williams retires, will Spielberg choose to hang up the megaphone at the same time out of respect for his friend?
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Posted 11 February 2009 - 11:01 PM
I don't think JW will ever retire, at least not from Spielberg films. Unless by "retire" you meant something else...
I wouldn't be surprised if Spielberg made some sort of short film commemorating JW. But I doubt he'll stop making movies just because JW can't.
I wouldn't be surprised if Spielberg made some sort of short film commemorating JW. But I doubt he'll stop making movies just because JW can't.
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Posted 11 February 2009 - 11:02 PM
It is pretty darn fast, but that honestly doesn't matter much to me. It's Spielberg (and Williams).Yipee, another rushed Spielberg production.
Do you like John Williams? His early work was a little too jazzy for my taste, but when Jaws came out in '75 I really think he came into his own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and an air of consummate professionalism that really gives the pieces a big boost. He's been compared to Jerry Goldsmith but I think John has a far more leitmotif-driven style of composing. In '82 John composed this, E.T., his most accomplished album to date. I think his undisputed masterpiece is "The Magic of Halloween", a theme so catchy most people don't listen to what it means. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of childhood and the importance of friendship, it's also a personal statement about the man himself. Hey Paul!
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Posted 11 February 2009 - 11:12 PM
Wasn't Raiders finished several days under schedule?
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Posted 11 February 2009 - 11:34 PM
It'd be quicker if Lucas was involved. Think of how amazing Lincoln's beard would look in full CGI.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 12:01 AM
why not just photoshop Lucas' beard onto the actor
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 12:46 AM
why not just photoshop Lucas' beard onto the actor
Don't give them any ideas...
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 12:48 AM
I hope they replace all the Civil War soldiers' guns with walkie-talkies.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 12:50 AM
I hope they replace all the Civil War soldiers' guns with walkie-talkies.
No no. Replace them with the combat droids from TPM
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 12:51 AM
I must be getting dyslectic ,this morning I read Tintin in the title. Oh well we might get a decent Americana score with another guest soloist
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 01:00 AM
I hope this gets made soon. JW's next Oscar!
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 01:05 AM
I wonder what will be the "special" instrument in this one
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 01:08 AM
Roger roger.I hope they replace all the Civil War soldiers' guns with walkie-talkies.
No no. Replace them with the combat droids from TPM
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 01:32 AM
If he won for Lincoln, then he will have continued his tradition of winning at least one Oscar per decade. This could offer one final chance...I hope this gets made soon. JW's next Oscar!
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 01:41 AM
That seems pretty inevitable. What do we think....Tim Morrison on trumpet again? Someone he's used less frequently like Mark O'Connor on the violin or even James Thatcher on horn (that would be sweet)? Or maybe some acclaimed banjo player from Tennessee.Oh well we might get a decent Americana score with another guest soloist
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