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Posted 12 February 2009 - 01:44 AM
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 01:46 AM
What instrument was played proeminently in those days?
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 01:46 AM
He better win for Lincoln, at the very least getting a nomination. I've been looking forward to it ever since the film was announced.If he won for Lincoln, then he will have continued his tradition of winning at least one Oscar per decade. This could offer one final chance...I hope this gets made soon. JW's next Oscar!
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 01:51 AM
I think I'd rather like to hear a horn-heavy score for Lincoln. If the melodic ideas were solid, it could be a really great approach.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 01:52 AM
What instrument was played proeminently in those days?
Fife? Snare drums?
Classical music and the performing of concert instruments didn't really see too much action in America until the 1840s, when the NY Phil was founded.
It took until the 1870s for most major cities to have orchestras here.
Interestingly enough, choral music was much more advanced and popular in our country at that time...
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 01:53 AM
More like electric violin.Gore Verbinski on electric guitar...?
Do you like John Williams? His early work was a little too jazzy for my taste, but when Jaws came out in '75 I really think he came into his own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and an air of consummate professionalism that really gives the pieces a big boost. He's been compared to Jerry Goldsmith but I think John has a far more leitmotif-driven style of composing. In '82 John composed this, E.T., his most accomplished album to date. I think his undisputed masterpiece is "The Magic of Halloween", a theme so catchy most people don't listen to what it means. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of childhood and the importance of friendship, it's also a personal statement about the man himself. Hey Paul!
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 01:55 AM
More like electric violin.Gore Verbinski on electric guitar...?
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I really want Williams to win best score for this. HE NEEDS AN OSCAR! It might piss me off, though, that he would not win an oscar for all the masterpieces of this decade and then up and win one for Lincoln.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 02:01 AM
It's not like he doesn't already have a lot of Oscars.I really want Williams to win best score for this. HE NEEDS AN OSCAR! It might piss me off, though, that he would not win an oscar for all the masterpieces of this decade and then up and win one for Lincoln.
Do you like John Williams? His early work was a little too jazzy for my taste, but when Jaws came out in '75 I really think he came into his own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and an air of consummate professionalism that really gives the pieces a big boost. He's been compared to Jerry Goldsmith but I think John has a far more leitmotif-driven style of composing. In '82 John composed this, E.T., his most accomplished album to date. I think his undisputed masterpiece is "The Magic of Halloween", a theme so catchy most people don't listen to what it means. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of childhood and the importance of friendship, it's also a personal statement about the man himself. Hey Paul!
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 02:09 AM
But he deserves more than twice the amount he already has.It's not like he doesn't already have a lot of Oscars.I really want Williams to win best score for this. HE NEEDS AN OSCAR! It might piss me off, though, that he would not win an oscar for all the masterpieces of this decade and then up and win one for Lincoln.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 02:09 AM
I really want him to write a score that deserves it.I really want Williams to win best score for this
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 02:22 AM
We all now he's not going to win another Oscar
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 02:24 AM
I really want him to write a score that deserves it.I really want Williams to win best score for this
And he's written many since SL that do.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 02:32 AM
Honestly, I don't even think that SL deserved to win. My vote would have gone to Elfman's The Nightmare Before Christmas.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 02:47 AM
Honestly, I don't even think that SL deserved to win. My vote would have gone to Elfman's The Nightmare Before Christmas.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 02:54 AM
I love Tim Burton's Nightmare Before Christmas, too, but....
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 03:07 AM
Uh, yeah he will. A la Ennio Morricone at the very least.We all now he's not going to win another Oscar
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 03:08 AM
Well,Ennio won that special one because he didn't win any before
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 03:17 AM
That's part of it, but even he had won one he would have still got it. That's like saying Spielberg shouldn't get a Lifetime Achievement Award since he already has an Oscar.
In 50 years Herrmann will be forgotten.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 05:31 AM
It's not a matter of who should win, but rather who will win. The two are, as previous Oscar results can attest, completely different.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 09:41 AM
It's not a matter of who should win, but rather who will win. The two are, as previous Oscar results can attest, completely different.
Exactly.
And I don't think the Academy members have told each other, "OK, let's not give JW any more Oscars, no matter WHAT the hell he writes!"
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 09:47 AM
That's precisely what the Academy would do. They also do, "Hey, let's give an Oscar to director or composer X, we neglected him for his entire career and this might be his last movie."
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 03:15 PM
They just wanna screw Willy over.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 03:54 PM
In order to give the Academy what they want, Williams will invite Gustavo to pluck the guitar on the score in hopes of snagging one more Oscar.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 03:56 PM
JP should have been nominated as its a better score than SL.Honestly, I don't even think that SL deserved to win. My vote would have gone to Elfman's The Nightmare Before Christmas.
I don't really care if he wins another Oscar, if he writes a score to Lincoln I just want it to be something really good.
And as joey225 said, snare drum was one of the two most prominent instruments in those days during the Civil War.
Thats not something that makes one excited.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 03:58 PM
In all honesty you can probably expect something along the lines of Amistad (minus Dry You Tears), The Patriot and JFK.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 04:00 PM
that doesn't make me want to want it Mark.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 04:20 PM
He's right...and that guess soloist
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Both Lincoln and Charles Darwin would have been 200 years old today.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 06:20 PM
In all honesty you can probably expect something along the lines of Amistad (minus Dry You Tears), The Patriot and JFK.
I'm hoping he'll harp more on the African Spiritual side of things ala "Rosewood"
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 06:23 PM
And as joey225 said, snare drum was one of the two most prominent instruments in those days during the Civil War. Thats not something that makes one excited.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 06:41 PM
And as joey225 said, snare drum was one of the two most prominent instruments in those days during the Civil War. Thats not something that makes one excited.
What, does a snare drum-heavy score excite you?
I could see this score going one of three ways...
1. Snare drum/fife-heavy score hearkening back to civil war army bands and such.
2. Patriot/JFK/Rosewood-esque.
3. Something like James Horner's Glory.
I'm hoping for #2, but we'll see..
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 09:32 PM
Snare drum is my favorite instrument, after hang, xun, shakuhachi and setar.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 09:40 PM
What, does a snare drum-heavy score excite you?
If it's well-written, yes...
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 11:11 PM
Slate away, but I'm not particularly excited about this.
I'm not going to jump the gun or anything, since we don't know what style or instrumentation it will be, but Williams' low key efforts lately (Minority Report, parts of KotCS, WotW) haven't really done much for me.
I'm sure Williams will love it, and technically it will be exceptional, but emotionally? I'll wait for the sound clips.
I'm not going to jump the gun or anything, since we don't know what style or instrumentation it will be, but Williams' low key efforts lately (Minority Report, parts of KotCS, WotW) haven't really done much for me.
I'm sure Williams will love it, and technically it will be exceptional, but emotionally? I'll wait for the sound clips.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 11:15 PM
The main theme will probably be something similar to the first minute of Air and Simple Gifts
Yes,that's exactly how it will sound...mark my words
Yes,that's exactly how it will sound...mark my words
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 11:36 PM
Is Tim Morrison already listed as a soloist? If not, he will be eventually.
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Posted 12 February 2009 - 11:42 PM
I'll be happy if he puts out something along the lines of Rosewood.The main theme will probably be something similar to the first minute of Air and Simple Gifts
Yes,that's exactly how it will sound...mark my words
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Posted 13 February 2009 - 08:30 AM
What if it's going to be a piano-driven score? I believe it was a popular instrument back then too and Williams might want to write something fresh instead of his typical horn + trumpet Americana.
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Posted 13 February 2009 - 08:45 AM
What if it's going to be a piano-driven score? I believe it was a popular instrument back then too and Williams might want to write something fresh instead of his typical horn + trumpet Americana.
Oh, those fresh piano driven Williams scores...
I'd like to keep him away from those somber dramas for a while. The musical palette is so predictable, the already mentioned honored colleague from whatever soloistic department included.
You wouldn't see a subtle plan if it painted itself purple and danced naked on top of a harpsichord, singing "Subtle Plans Are Here Again."
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Posted 13 February 2009 - 08:51 AM
In order to stimulate "originality", I would propose a score entirely written for string quartet. Not only would this be interesting for us Williams fans, it would be a serious musical challenge for the composer too.
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